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Roving, Farmaajo's mom is Darod (Dhulbahante) but beyond that what kind of tribal carnage took place here. I warned Abdalla about starting a retrograde tribal flame war and push came to shove, he seems to have dropped the ball in this bloodbath.

Amethyst,

Rest assured, given your ancestry, you would do a better job of bending over and taking it all in from the Colonizers. So no need to outsource your culture to me. All you have done really is provide some petty yawn-inducing denials and ignorance in a futile attempt to deny the facts. But tough luck for you. It has already been established that the Douglas Collins' A Tear for Somalia is listed on the Library of Congress as "his fascinating story of African adventure. Collins spent ten years as a District Commissioner in Somalia. next to leading historical books on Somalia. So no amount of refutations and ignoring the facts will save you here. There is NOT a SINGLE credible source that can call A Tear for Somalia as a work of fiction and Douglas Collins himself states in the foreword section of the book that it is a "personal account" So who are you to say that it is a work of fiction? Your denials are hilarious, runti. Besides, why is it so hard to believe that Boqor Osman was using his daughters as political tools when YET ANOTHER Italian source is also stating that he presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan AKA Mad Mullah only for her to be tortured and sent back? Your deliberately creating a confusion when none exists and that is sadly lame. But it won't succeed with me.

As for the authenticity of my sources, well unlike some people here, I am actually presenting one source after another complete with links and highlighting, if you refuse to believe them, that is your problem, buddy. Not mine. Despite all your denials, you still are yet to refute that:

1) Amiina Boqor Osman was used by her father as a prostitute to achieve certain political ends
2) That Boqor Osman presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan as a gift only for her to be tortured and sent back
3) Douglas Collins spent 10 years in Somalia as a British District Commissioner as stated by Douglas Collins in his book
4) Yet to refute that quote I posted next to the Majerteen carrying the Colonial office as being false.

With regards to the Bender Kassim picture, let's for a second pretend it is photoshopped, how do you justify this statement?

Just yet, we are approached by a dau (small elder) of Sultan Mahmud Osman, and through his nacttda know that the sultan was not Allula, but finds the town of vessels Bared, where soon we sent a message to warn of our arrival.

On that day at the beach with the sea waves broke loose and soft, but very large, so much so, despite repeated attempts, we were able to board the boat to go ashore without plunging into the water. But I did not I noticed that more time, I undressed and gained the shore by swimming, where I had a really 'reception ultra friendly, very affectionate, a crowd of people waiting for me on the beach, happy to see me get to their primitive way , to find many friends and know that you had left

If your people were coming out in droves to welcome the Italian Colonizers at their shores, why is it hard to believe that they would lift them up and carry them around?

If your entire tactic is disregarding whatever you have no answer for, then thats also your problem. I am posting these facts so people can see through the mythology being pushed by some. Whether you agree or not is futile, really. Let the other readers examine and draw their own conclusions. No need to push your opinions down our throats

Roving, Farmaajo's mom is Darod (Dhulbahante) but beyond that what kind of tribal carnage took place here. I warned Abdalla about starting a retrograde tribal flame war and push came to shove, he seems to have dropped the ball in this bloodbath.

I thought his mom was Murusade? Or was that his wife?

Lol about Abdalla dropping the ball, anyone that reads this thread with an open mind will be able to see the who is really out of facts. You and I had many disagreements about precisely these kinds of topics, so why don't you let the other members draw their own conclusions?

Amethyst,

Rest assured, given your ancestry, you would do a better job of bending over and taking it all in from the Colonizers. So no need to outsource your culture to me. All you have done really is provide some petty yawn-inducing denials and ignorance in a futile attempt to deny the facts. But tough luck for you. It has already been established that the Douglas Collins' A Tear for Somalia is listed on the Library of Congress as "his fascinating story of African adventure. Collins spent ten years as a District Commissioner in Somalia. next to leading historical books on Somalia. So no amount of refutations and ignoring the facts will save you here. There is NOT a SINGLE credible source that can call A Tear for Somalia as a work of fiction and Douglas Collins himself states in the foreword section of the book that it is a "personal account" So who are you to say that it is a work of fiction? Your denials are hilarious, runti. Besides, why is it so hard to believe that Boqor Osman was using his daughters as political tools when YET ANOTHER Italian source is also stating that he presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan AKA Mad Mullah only for her to be tortured and sent back? Your deliberately creating a confusion when none exists and that is sadly lame. But it won't succeed with me.

As for the authenticity of my sources, well unlike some people here, I am actually presenting one source after another complete with links and highlighting, if you refuse to believe them, that is your problem, buddy. Not mine. Despite all your denials, you still are yet to refute that:

1) Amiina Boqor Osman was used by her father as a prostitute to achieve certain political ends
2) That Boqor Osman presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan as a gift only for her to be tortured and sent back
3) Douglas Collins spent 10 years in Somalia as a British District Commissioner as stated by Douglas Collins in his book
4) Yet to refute that quote I posted next to the Majerteen carrying the Colonial office as being false.

With regards to the Bender Kassim picture, let's for a second pretend it is photoshopped, how do you justify this statement?

Just yet, we are approached by a dau (small elder) of Sultan Mahmud Osman, and through his nacttda know that the sultan was not Allula, but finds the town of vessels Bared, where soon we sent a message to warn of our arrival.

On that day at the beach with the sea waves broke loose and soft, but very large, so much so, despite repeated attempts, we were able to board the boat to go ashore without plunging into the water. But I did not I noticed that more time, I undressed and gained the shore by swimming, where I had a really 'reception ultra friendly, very affectionate, a crowd of people waiting for me on the beach, happy to see me get to their primitive way , to find many friends and know that you had left

If your people were coming out in droves to welcome the Italian Colonizers at their shores, why is it hard to believe that they would lift them up and carry them around?

If your entire tactic is disregarding whatever you have no answer for, then thats also your problem. I am posting these facts so people can see through the mythology being pushed by some. Whether you agree or not is futile, really. Let the other readers examine and draw their own conclusions. No need to push your opinions down our throats

Blah, blah, blah. No sources. The end.

Thats the best you could do? lol.

Roving, Farmaajo's mom is Darod (Dhulbahante) but beyond that what kind of tribal carnage took place here. I warned Abdalla about starting a retrograde tribal flame war and push came to shove, he seems to have dropped the ball in this bloodbath.

I thought his mom was Murusade? Or was that his wife?

Lol about Abdalla dropping the ball, anyone that reads this thread with an open mind will be able to see the who is really out of facts. You and I had many disagreements about precisely these kinds of topics, so why don't you let the other members draw their own conclusions?

Don't get defensive, I am not looking for a way to get in the debate. Trust me arguing about these things interests me the least but yes Farmaajo's wife is Murusade, his reer abti are Dhulbahante.

I presented my sources and background information, why is it so hard for you to do the same? Or did I touch a raw nerve and you are reduced to mud-slinging?

Amethyst,

You are the one with skewed vision in this discussion- not me. You are conveniently ignoring the sources I presented because you have to protect your ignorance. That's all your denials proof- nothing else. Your entire tactic is built on denial. You called a well-known autobiography as a work of fiction when I clearly demonstrated that it is listed in the Library of Congress as Non-Fiction. For one, that's where your credibility ends. Dont worry about my sources, unlike you I am presenting multiple sources for each point I make. The bottom line is you guys are glorifying bootlickers and screaming hysterically when their history is exposed. Sucks though, because I will just keep on bringing bad news

Hortaa is there any prove that this "Amina Boqor" existed at all? for all we know this can all be made up, including her.

dammit, it took only one RovingMadness to bring down the MJ cyber brigade(Monk, Abdalla, Ameth).