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Ibrahim is entitled to his opinions, so why silence him? This is a discussion forum and members are free to give their views.TL whats up
horta why did you include us in your dissing?
and is lost in transition I guess besha abgaal can accept him and take good care of him its called fostering 
It doesn't say that all the Ogaden were involved. Just some sections. There is nothing inaccurate about that article, actually it's a letter. The NY Times is just presenting the public letter. You should read it again.Ok the article that says we welcomed the Brits in Juboyinka is very inacurate and out of context .
What Ibrahim said is duuso not comments.
This dude cannot even make it to the SPG
well no-one questioned that Majerteen were majority of the party in its initial stages
You will never see me say the same about your folk!How many times do i have tell this moronic moryaan who obtained his freedom less than 100 years ago that a President can't fire a PM, it's unconstitutional. The only exception to this was when AY fired Geedi while bombing his people, Geedi didn't resign but was a thief and he got fired. You can watch here how your uncle was concinved to bomb his own people and later on discarded like a condom.Indeed, by the time of independence in 1960 the Majerteyn sub-clan dominated the leadership of the Somali Youth League (SYL) – the independence party of Somalia – as well as the Civil Service, the Police & National Army, the Legislative Assembly and the business community.
She existed but the old white pervert wrote about his unattainable dream,she actually had her eye on marrying the son of the great mujaahid sh.cabdul-raxman mursal who was fighting the british in jubbaland.The old man actually admits that she turned him down and made her intentions clear to him.Hortaa is there any prove that this "Amina Boqor" existed at all? for all we know this can all be made up, including her.
You knocked them down hard bro! these retards don't have what it takes to come at Hawiye men, the real lions of Africa.Amethyst,
You are the one with skewed vision in this discussion- not me. You are conveniently ignoring the sources I presented because you have to protect your ignorance. That's all your denials proof- nothing else. Your entire tactic is built on denial. You called a well-known autobiography as a work of fiction when I clearly demonstrated that it is listed in the Library of Congress as Non-Fiction. For one, that's where your credibility ends. Dont worry about my sources, unlike you I am presenting multiple sources for each point I make. The bottom line is you guys are glorifying bootlickers and screaming hysterically when their history is exposed. Sucks though, because I will just keep on bringing bad news
You are an uneducated moron that whose understanding of history or critical thinking is laughably limited. So, of course you are making one retarded claim and after another and in the process exposing your lack of simple comprehension. Where did I ever deny that the first chairman of the SYL was Majerteen or that Majerteen were the majority initially? You falsely claimed that there was only one Mudulood member in the founding 13-members and I proved that there were in fact 4. Then you claimed that Majerteen always dominated the SYL when the simple truth is that your little prostitute clan was expunged from the SYL after the election of Prime Minister of Abdullahi Isse who transformed the SYL completely.EnslavedMadness,
It's nice too see you swallowing your pride and slighty changing your story. You made it seem like SYL was Hawiye party, you suprised me with this:
well no-one questioned that Majerteen were majority of the party in its initial stages
My sources pointed clearrly out that SYL was Darood/Majeerteen majority party and the called the shots. You even admitted that Majeerteen were the majority at the beginning stages and they were the Majority throughout the 1950's and the 1960's.
Indeed, by the time of independence in 1960 the Majerteyn sub-clan dominated the leadership of the Somali Youth League (SYL) – the independence party of Somalia – as well as the Civil Service, the Police & National Army, the Legislative Assembly and the business community.
Politics, Language and Thought:The Somali Experience By David Laitin pp-100In 1952, Xaaji Maxamad Xuseen went to Cairo, and the Hawiya wing of the SYL became more powerful. In the 1956 elections, the last to be held under direct Italian supervision, the SYL maintained its dominance, and the Italian administration appointed Cabdullahi Ciise as the FIRST Prime Minister of an all-Somali government. This signaled another change in the SYL's character, for Cabdullahi Ciise and the then SYL President, Aaden Cabdulle Cismaan, were both on good terms with the Italian administration.*
*Castagno, pp 523-25, Explains the change in the power balance by suggesting that the British Military Administration favored the Daarod clan, while the Italian Administration favored the Hawiya.
Answer me, kid. If your slave clan was powerful, why were they being discriminated in a party they were "majority" Your arguments are laughableStain was placed on the government by repeated allegations that the Hawiye members of the cabinet discriminated against the Darood in their appointments. Sheikh Ali Giumale (Hawadle, Hawiye), the minister for social affairs, and Muhammad Abdi Nuur (Dir), the Minister of general affairs, held the most lucrative patronage positions; the former particularly was accused of nepotism.
http://books.google.com/booksid=JpNYxFm ... 20&f=falseThere were, therefore, two forms of Daarood protest: one was modernist, embodying the Greater Somalia and tribal-balance issues; the other was traditional, reflecting Daarood resentment against Hawiye dominance in the government.
http://books.google.com/booksid=JpNYxFm ... on&f=falseShermarke, Abdirizak Haji Hussein, and Nur Haschi were expelled by the SYL Central Committee.
There were still other forms of disenchantment. Daarood deputies, vociferously challenging Ethiopia’s “provocative acts of aggression” along the frontier, demanded that the government take definite action on the Greater Somalia issue. SYL branches in the Daarood areas complained about the Central Committee’s deviation from the Party’s detribalization principles, and noted that, as the committee was composed in part of the government officials, it could not act independently. But it was not only the SYL Daarood wing that took issue with the government. Coinciding with the Abdirizak’s protestations before the UN, as a large number of Daarood and Marehan chiefs issued a manifesto denouncing the government and demanding new elections. The manifesto was reminiscent of the 1950s complaint to the UN that the Italian administration was discriminating against the Daarood.
LOL@ 70,000 being killed in 2 years. It just shows how much hatred you have. President Aden Abdulle Osman fired Abdirashid Sharmarke. I know it hurts, but no-one will buy your stupid claim that he just resigned for no-reason. The sources I presented clearly show that President Aden Abdulle Osman was threatening to fire him long before he was even fired. An uneducated moron talking about the constitution? LOL, you make my day, kid. Under the Constitution, the President can nominate the Prime Minister and also bring his government in front of the parliament for vote of confidence. Abdirashid Sharmarke submitted his paper of resignation before he was humiliated. Same way his son submitted his paper of resignation decades later. History has a nasty habit of repeating itself, you know. About Ghedi, say whatever you want about him, at the end of the day, it took 36 Million USD to convince him to resign. Can you say the same about Abdullahi Yusuf who resigned within a year after Ghedi and was forced into exile, humiliated when he was denied from ever visiting the Puntland he created and today looks depressed and lonely? Because of Col Nuur Cade, your Puntland is today dismember and your citizens are being colonized by Somaliland while you are powerless to do anything about it. I call that an awesome revenge and it all happened because of the genius of Col Nuur Cade.How many times do i have tell this moronic moryaan who obtained his freedom less than 100 years ago that a President can't fire a PM, it's unconstitutional. The only exception to this was when AY fired Geedi while bombing his people, Geedi didn't resign but was a thief and he got fired. You can watch here how your uncle was concinved to bomb his own people and later on discarded like a condom.Nobody heard Geedi since then, while all the others resigned when they felt like it. Abdirashiid resigned because he wanted to focus on the upcoming election which he won by lanslide, AY resigned because there were simply no people to bomb, he already killed more than 70.000 in less than two years, ina Sharmaake resigned because he paralyzed Shariif Donkey and humiliated him by staying two months more after 'supposedly' being fired.
Your definition of slavery is really touching. Your clan were THE FIRST to place their regions under the colonizers simply to gain leverage when the Hawiye were fighting gallantly against Italian rule. You had to use their daughters as prostitutes, bend over for the British and Italians colonizers and do their bidding. But ultimately, both Keenadid and Boqor Osman were to die in Mogadishu defeated and captured by the same Hawiye clansmen that worked hard to bring under Italian colonization and their tales were used in Somali history classes as an example of treason and national back-stabbing. LOl@ my clan were to endure the same sad fate 100 years later
Keenadiid defeated your bretherns before the Italians signed a treaty with him. EnslavedMadness, i lie, you lie, but numbers don't. Your regions where colonized and exploited since 1824, while mine had to endure the same sad fate 100 years later. As i said choke on it, hawiye will always be known as the only clan that was conquered, used, manipulated clan in Somalia. Especially the Abgaal they were slaughtered by MSB, Caydiid and now AY. Its's very funny that you refuse to comment on Cali Mahdi, i don't blame ya, i might remind you of the 10.000 cusualties. Add that to the recent 70.000. We're planning to make the magic number: 100.000
Hilarious how the facts destroy your little fantasies On 10 October 1892 the Sultan of Obbia wrote to Filonardi, the architect of the Italian colonial administration in Somalia:
"We inform that this year we have been adandoned and there was no steamboat that has come to us, as it was the practice. Nobody has brought to us the woods and we have neither food nor cartridges. There was a serious war this year. The inhabitants of the desert have rebelled against us and there was a fighting in which some of ours have been killed.
After the departure of the steamboat Esfita we hoped some one would come from your side, but until now nobody came. On the date of this letter Abu Bakr bin Auad has arrived bringing to us the payment of the year 1891. We hope you will help us with food and the supply of war material, because we are under your protection and your flag. We would not think that you have abandoned us.
Now we wish your arrival together with what we have requested. ABu Bakr bin Auad will give full information. We hope you come soon this year to negotiate together.
Now we have two countries: Obia and Eil Hur and we have many soldiers different than before. Those of our friends killed are 11. Our saia (boat) has broken down this year at Obbia with some of our properties on board. We need money and we are without boat. You are our friend and we do not know other Christians besides you, and we defend your flag.”
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[1] Mohamad Osman Omar, Somalia: Past and Present, pages 56 - 57
As I said, your history is based on the triangle of shame consisting of Keenadid, Boqor Osman and Amina Boqor Osman and it is one of disgrace and dishonor. Beyond that, you are insignificant and irrelevant.On October 19, 1892 (27 Rabi El Aual, 1310), the Sultan of Majerten, Osman Mohamud Jusuf, similarly wrote the following letter from Alula, to Signor FIlonardi:
"Since long we have not seen you and we have a great desire to see you. You are our friend and we do not know why you have abandoned us. The steamboat Esfita has arrived this year, but without you. Now we hope to have the pleasure of seeing you, because friendship and affection exist between us.
Kindly bring to us the rifles and the cartridges of which we have spoken about with you last year, because the rebellion has increased around us. We expect the assistance from you because you are our friend and you will do it.
On the date of this (letter) Abi Bakr has arrived here bringing to us the salary of the year; we have recommended him to give detailed information.
When you come here we will understand each other. We want barut(gun powder) for the Ofiat, the seats and the other furniture. We wish to construct a stone house in your name. For you we wish to work and we shall agree at which site the house will be built
@ calling me a slave, like simple throwing of words can have any meaning. This thread is running for 12 pages now, and you have yet to present a single iota of example where your clan ruled my land; while I presented a simple example of the Nuux Mohamud, your own Majerteen subclan that has been our slaves and midgaan for centuries. You are a defeated weakling whose only weapon is reverse-psychology. http://books.google.com/books?id=Gs62AA ... CDIQ6wEwAQThe Nooh Darood clan maintained a low status among the Abgaal clan, and was referred to by the Abgaal clan as GalGaale
Let´s assured you will despise your weak, abused and exploited clan when i am done with you. A clan that was exploited by Portugues, Zanzibari, Keenadiid and Italians talking about honor The guy would never become Head of police if Muhammed Abshir wouldn't resign and MSB would execute Qorsheel 
About Abdullahi Yusuf, well, Abdiqaybdid that massacred 1000 Majerteen in one night was made a general and is today saluted and hailed as a conqueror in Puntland. That shows how insignificant you are despite your denials.
And who made him general do you think? lol you tried to squeez your tiny triangle into this and when nobody gave you attention you changed your direction and started cheerleading lol.This is a Genocide. Where is the Paid Monkey boy, the man is running around with pictures of plumbers and here we have TL dismantling his whole tribe piece by piece. Puntlanders retreat and regroup, TL takes no prisoners.
Voltage, be careful homie, I know your itching with your Warsama101 bombs, but TL is on form.