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Was Hawiye divided in the sixties too?^
Maskin MJ. You are lucky to take advantage of a divided Hawiye. You are politically irrelevent otherwise. Just like how you cried when Marehan became PM. Hawiye has the power to choose or remove you. how sad. Like the hawiye elders said stick to the desert of puntlan.
In the 1960s, there was the famous Aden Cade vs Sh Ali Jimale political opposition which almost made the later the President in 1964 when he came within ONE Vote of being elected the President.^ Faroole was the one who started the war against Farmaajo and Farmaajo is gone...that should tell you a little bit
Was Hawiye divided in the sixties too?^
Maskin MJ. You are lucky to take advantage of a divided Hawiye. You are politically irrelevent otherwise. Just like how you cried when Marehan became PM. Hawiye has the power to choose or remove you. how sad. Like the hawiye elders said stick to the desert of puntlan.
Roving, I don't know about the past but what you are selling about the TFG doesn't hold water.
Abdillahi Yusuf consistently picked Abgaal only because he hates Habar Gidir more out of the two major Hawiye sub-clans. It was essentially he couldn't fathom putting a Habar Gidir as head of government. His picking of Abgaal was "xumayn" towards HG.
Sheikh Sharif was forced to go to MJ first as a way to reconcile to Puntland with the TFG after Abdullahi Yusuf's forced resignation. It was the time when Puntland's opinions about the TFG were still considered "legitimate". As for Dr Abdiwali, he was the deputy prime minister, the guy Farmaajo personally asked to succeed him, and the most obvious person to be given this position.
Let's not try to sensationalize or emotionalize things that have very logical answers.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about and I don't blame you considering your background.Roving, I don't know about the past but what you are selling about the TFG doesn't hold water.
Abdillahi Yusuf consistently picked Abgaal only because he hates Habar Gidir more out of the two major Hawiye sub-clans. It was essentially he couldn't fathom putting a Habar Gidir as head of government. His picking of Abgaal was "xumayn" towards HG.
Sheikh Sharif was forced to go to MJ first as a way to reconcile to Puntland with the TFG after Abdullahi Yusuf's forced resignation. It was the time when Puntland's opinions about the TFG were still considered "legitimate". As for Dr Abdiwali, he was the deputy prime minister, the guy Farmaajo personally asked to succeed him, and the most obvious person to be given this position.
Let's not try to sensationalize or emotionalize things that have very logical answers.
Majeerteen would never write such a thing with an honest face.But Mudulood/Majerteen alliance has nothing to do with Hawiye division or lack of. It is essentially based on mutual understanding between certain individuals and also more importantly the political and strategic circumstances of the Somali situation.
Lol@making it sound as if Mudulood-MJ alliance has any value to me. If it makes you sleep better, I personally prefer Mudulood-Marehan allianceYou huffed and puffed and all you blew out was air. Enjoy your sense of importance with the "special" MJ-Abgal alliance as it exists in your head.
Bro, you problem is psychological and you make an ass out of yourself. How am I attaching any "value" to a supposed Mudulood-MJ alliance when I explicitly stated in my first response that any supposed alliance is a result of individual alliance than a communal one? Perhaps, Mudulood-MJ alliance has relevance to you and to be honest with I rather have Mudulood develop bilateral ties with Southern clans like Marehan/Rahanweyn/Dir and etc whose destiny is directly tied to ours instead of groups that are far removed from our epicenter. At the end of the day, both Marehan and Majerteen are Darood to me and politics is usually played out at the group stage instead of the sub-Group level.Roving, to be honest tribal politics has been exponentially decreasing in interest with me but I was just surprised at your sense of "value" attached to things that really do not go beyond coffee shops.
Murex,
Def Al Shabab is the defining challenge facing Somalis today and it needs a collective response.
With regards to the 4.5 system, I am not against it. It is a political distributive that directly corresponds to the demographic reality in Somalia. As far as presidency and prime ministership is concerned, then everyone regardless of clan background should have an equal chance; but since Somali democracy states that the president has to be elected from the parliament, then 4.5 quota will creep in. This is why we should have the president directly elected by the masses and all together dump the Prime Minister position as it leads to infighting and political stagnation.
Murux,
I always say: in Somalia everything is about the clan and yet nothing is about the clan.
As for Reer Xamar, I also keenly anticipate the day we have Reer Xamar head of State. They are as deserving as everyone, else.
It could also be that Southern Somalis are more cosmopolitan and intermingle a lot more than their Northern counterparts. The South has cities like Mogadishu, Marka, Brava, Kismayo where different cultures, thoughts and clans meet creating a vibrancy that is both liberating and transcendent in terms of one's understanding of the clan. Paradoxically, it is this cultural vibrancy that also creates confusion and disorganization and disturbs the traditional clan balance and pull leading to disunity and division. The Northern on the other hand are united by paranoia and fear which makes it possible for them to cling to one another and temporarily forget about their internal problems. It works for them because they have a certain degree of peace and we don't.Murux,
I always say: in Somalia everything is about the clan and yet nothing is about the clan.
As for Reer Xamar, I also keenly anticipate the day we have Reer Xamar head of State. They are as deserving as everyone, else.
I guess the point I'm trying to say is that generally speaking Northern Somalis have a lot more cuqdad and tribal insticts than Southerners. Everything from Mudug down, the people have fought like crazy but when the fights over they forgot about it. I think the fact that the War didn't come to the North, theres a lot more grudges that people have. It wouldn't suprise Me if say after 15 years once Southern Somalia finally has its act together that the North starts a civil war
As for Reer Xamar, Wallahi I absolutely love these folks. I never met a Somali Bantu before so I can't really speak on them, but Reer Xamar their nationalism, love of anything Somali is just amazing. For people who's rights were taken were abused horribly they have every reason to be bitter at Somalis but they are not. I would support a Reer Xamar bid more than anyone
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