TFG slammed by the Human Rights Groups

[Nabadiyocaano]

Human right watch on Somali Civil War and Famine

If you thought the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) forces were the good guys in Somalia’s famine and civil war, Human Rights Watch has news for you:

All parties to Somalia’s armed conflict have committed serious violations of the laws of war that are contributing to the country’s humanitarian catastrophe, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. All sides should immediately end abuses against civilians, hold those responsible to account, and ensure access to aid and free movement of people fleeing conflict and drought.

The 58-page report, “‘You Don’t Know Who to Blame’: War Crimes in Somalia,” documents numerous abuses during renewed fighting in the past year by parties to the 20-year-long conflict in Somalia. These include the Islamist armed group al-Shabaab, the Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG), the African Union peacekeeping forces (AMISOM), and Kenya- and Ethiopia-backed Somali militias. The report also examines abuses by the Kenyan police and crimes committed by bandits in neighboring Kenya against Somali refugees.

There are no good guys among the major players.

I imagine a lot of people feel that abuses by the TFG and AMISOM are “worth it” in the fight against al Shabab. But whatever territory the TFG gains, it will have to rule, and not just through force, but through politics. Abuses against civilians now will have long-term effects.

To demonstrate that point, this is not the first time Human Rights Watch has pointed to patterns of violence and abuse against civilians in Somalia. During the Ethiopian occupation of Somalia from late 2006 to early 2009, when Ethiopia was supporting the TFG, “the worst abuses [were] by Ethiopian soldiers…Ethiopians…often indiscriminately attacked civilian areas and looted hospitals.” I suspect the brutality of the Ethiopian occupation gave al Shabab a boost in the early days of its insurgency, driving recruitment and pushing civilians into the arms of al Shabab.

Today, al Shabab may be pulling back, and the TFG may be gaining ground, but the TFG’s behavior is quite possibly setting the stage for future conflict, whether in terms of a resurgence by al Shabab or the rise of another rebellion.

Posted on August 15, 2011
If you thought the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) forces were the good guys in Somalia’s famine and civil war, Human Rights Watch has news for you:

All parties to Somalia’s armed conflict have committed serious violations of the laws of war that are contributing to the country’s humanitarian catastrophe, Human Rights Watch said in a report released today. All sides should immediately end abuses against civilians, hold those responsible to account, and ensure access to aid and free movement of people fleeing conflict and drought.

The 58-page report, “‘You Don’t Know Who to Blame’: War Crimes in Somalia,” documents numerous abuses during renewed fighting in the past year by parties to the 20-year-long conflict in Somalia. These include the Islamist armed group al-Shabaab, the Somali Transitional Federal Government (TFG), the African Union peacekeeping forces (AMISOM), and Kenya- and Ethiopia-backed Somali militias. The report also examines abuses by the Kenyan police and crimes committed by bandits in neighboring Kenya against Somali refugees.

There are no good guys among the major players.

I imagine a lot of people feel that abuses by the TFG and AMISOM are “worth it” in the fight against al Shabab. But whatever territory the TFG gains, it will have to rule, and not just through force, but through politics. Abuses against civilians now will have long-term effects.

To demonstrate that point, this is not the first time Human Rights Watch has pointed to patterns of violence and abuse against civilians in Somalia. During the Ethiopian occupation of Somalia from late 2006 to early 2009, when Ethiopia was supporting the TFG, “the worst abuses [were] by Ethiopian soldiers…Ethiopians…often indiscriminately attacked civilian areas and looted hospitals.” I suspect the brutality of the Ethiopian occupation gave al Shabab a boost in the early days of its insurgency, driving recruitment and pushing civilians into the arms of al Shabab.

Today, al Shabab may be pulling back, and the TFG may be gaining ground, but the TFG’s behavior is quite possibly setting the stage for future conflict, whether in terms of a resurgence by al Shabab or the rise of another rebellion.

By Alex Thurston, August 15, 2011

[Coeus]

Where was human rights group when Ethiopia invaded and American drones killed Somalis? Where is the humanrights groups outrage of Ogaden or the Somalis living in harsh conditions in Dadaab. The human rights groups are a bunch fo fucktards and beruecrats.

[Nabadiyocaano]

When Ethiopia invaded Somalia in 2006 it was the TFG who gave the go ahead.

The Human rights groups have condemned the ethiopia for their treatment of the East Ethiopia Somalis. As well as reports by the UNPOS.

[Coeus]

When Ethiopia invaded Somalia in 2006 it was the TFG who gave the go ahead.

The Human rights groups have condemned the ethiopia for their treatment of the East Ethiopia Somalis. As well as reports by the UNPOS.

Please take your pro seccecionist bullshit somewhere else.

[Nabadiyocaano]

Please take your pro seccecionist bullshit somewhere else.

What has this got to do with my view or SL. This is about Human rights and since Somaliland is ready to aid Somalis we have right to follow such events. So keep you're cuqdad of this.

[Shirib]

When Ethiopia invaded Somalia in 2006 it was the TFG who gave the go ahead.

The Human rights groups have condemned the ethiopia for their treatment of the East Ethiopia Somalis. As well as reports by the UNPOS.

Please take your pro seccecionist bullshit somewhere else.

How is that bullshit? Its true

The TFG invited Ethiopia and welcomed US drone attacks, what are u calling bullshit?

[Samatr]

Where was human rights group when Ethiopia invaded and American drones killed Somalis? Where is the humanrights groups outrage of Ogaden or the Somalis living in harsh conditions in Dadaab. The human rights groups are a bunch fo fucktards and beruecrats.

Nobody is in the right, the TFG use child soldiers just like their counterpart whose name I won't mention.

[Coeus]

Please take your pro seccecionist bullshit somewhere else.

What has this got to do with my view or SL. This is about Human rights and since Somaliland is ready to aid Somalis we have right to follow such events. So keep you're cuqdad of this.

Who or what is Somaliland? Please use the correct term witch is North Somalia. Secondly Somali factions giving aid to Somali civilians isnt something new. However i am positive towards the Hargeisa adminstration for lending a hand to their goverment.

[Nabadiyocaano]

Please take your pro seccecionist bullshit somewhere else.

What has this got to do with my view or SL. This is about Human rights and since Somaliland is ready to aid Somalis we have right to follow such events. So keep you're cuqdad of this.

Who or what is Somaliland? Please use the correct term witch is North Somalia. Secondly Somali factions giving aid to Somali civilians isnt something new. However i am positive towards the Hargeisa adminstration for lending a hand to their goverment.

You were the one who made a reference to the 'secessionist' which means YOU know of them. Thus, replying with what is SL or who? is contradiction. Denying what you mentioned.

Anyway this is about TFG being slammed by the HRW group for International crimes and putting them in the same darkness as Alshabab. Keep to that or moving along with you're 'Coeus' thinking

[Coeus]

You were the one who made a reference to the 'secessionist' which means YOU know of them. Thus, replying with what is SL or who? is contradiction. Denying what you mentioned.

Anyway this is about TFG being slammed by the HRW group for International crimes and putting them in the same darkness as Alshabab. Keep to that or moving along with you're 'Coeus' thinking

Yes you are secessionists, but that doesnt mean Somaliland is a country and that you are "providing" anything. In actuality, Somalia provides green fruit daily in Hargeisa´s food market, without the extra customs and taxes, maybe the farmers should get informed that the seccecionists believe that they have a "country" of their own, then the farmers in the south can rise the food prices wich include taxes and custom payment.

As for the humanrights groups, interesting that you are keen on western interest groups opinions. But yet the seccecionist adminstration in Hargeisa cant stand the fact that the same wetsern groups deny the seccecionists any statehood. Therefore you pick and choose on what to follow.

Listen here little rat, Somalia is a nation and whatever fantasi you try to inject it aint going to work here. Maybe in your SL section with your equally delusional compatriots, but not here where sanity and realism prevails.

[Nabadiyocaano]

You were the one who made a reference to the 'secessionist' which means YOU know of them. Thus, replying with what is SL or who? is contradiction. Denying what you mentioned.

Anyway this is about TFG being slammed by the HRW group for International crimes and putting them in the same darkness as Alshabab. Keep to that or moving along with you're 'Coeus' thinking

Yes you are secessionists, but that doesnt mean Somaliland is a country and that you are "providing" anything. In actuality, Somalia provides green fruit daily in Hargeisa´s food market, without the extra customs and taxes, maybe the farmers should get informed that the seccecionists believe that they have a "country" of their own, then the farmers in the south can rise the food prices wich include taxes and custom payment.

As for the humanrights groups, interesting that you are keen on western interest groups opinions. But yet the seccecionist adminstration in Hargeisa cant stand the fact that the same wetsern groups deny the seccecionists any statehood. Therefore you pick and choose on what to follow.

Listen here little rat, Somalia is a nation and whatever fantasi you try to inject it aint going to work here. Maybe in your SL section with your equally delusional compatriots, but not here where sanity and realism prevails.

Look here 'Coeus' or sheegato. Somaliland has been a country before anything called 'Somalia'. As for Somalia being a nation that has no bearing on Somaliland's position. Furthermore, the western groups denying recognition doesn't mean we should hate them or ignore them. As it is said in politics in every truth their is a lie and the same goes for the rest of the world policies towards Somaliland and Somali.

You're rant about the green fruit is really pathetic, since we will be letting our port bring through food for the famine. Whether they levy tax or not will only effect them not us as we are not the starving ones. kapiish.

[Nabadiyocaano]

Look here sheegato aka caoutic thinker. This section is not about Somaliland or you're cuqdaad with it.

The fact that you are talking about thought makes me think you secretly want to. However, you're little seizure whenever you see a Somaliland supporter on this website is nothing short of laughable as entertaining.

Somaliland was Independent first before Somalia or djibouti. Whether it was called British Somaliland or not the fact remains it exists and it chooses to dissolve its voluntary union. Fancy how you call Somaliland dillusional when it is you who is dillusional about a unity not supported by 'the nation' of Somalia.

No matter how much a dog like barks and its spread its dread poison. We will keep being you're master so say woof woof you flie basket out of my thread with you're flies ridden crap

[Coeus]

Look here sheegato aka caoutic thinker. This section is not about Somaliland or you're cuqdaad with it.

The fact that you are talking about thought makes me think you secretly want to. However, you're little seizure whenever you see a Somaliland supporter on this website is nothing short of laughable as entertaining.

Somaliland was Independent first before Somalia or djibouti. Whether it was called British Somaliland or not the fact remains it exists and it chooses to dissolve its voluntary union. Fancy how you call Somaliland dillusional when it is you who is dillusional about a unity not supported by 'the nation' of Somalia.

No matter how much a dog like barks and its spread its dread poison. We will keep being you're master so say woof woof you flie basket out of my thread with you're flies ridden crap

Wow alot of emotion outburst. Listen sweety, just because the british gave up their colony five work days before Italy did, doesnt mean you were a nation "before" the unified Somalia. I suggest you read history books that the North resented division of the South and wanted unity as soon as possible. Almost everyone from Saylac to Sool wanted unification. So this coocked up imaginary episode where you were a "country" never existed. Northwestern Somalia was under british imposed colonialism, and if that is called "statehood" according to you, then im sorry.

And please no personal attacks, its so predictable.

[Nabadiyocaano]

Look here sheegato aka caoutic thinker. This section is not about Somaliland or you're cuqdaad with it.

The fact that you are talking about thought makes me think you secretly want to. However, you're little seizure whenever you see a Somaliland supporter on this website is nothing short of laughable as entertaining.

Somaliland was Independent first before Somalia or djibouti. Whether it was called British Somaliland or not the fact remains it exists and it chooses to dissolve its voluntary union. Fancy how you call Somaliland dillusional when it is you who is dillusional about a unity not supported by 'the nation' of Somalia.

No matter how much a dog like barks and its spread its dread poison. We will keep being you're master so say woof woof you flie basket out of my thread with you're flies ridden crap

Wow alot of emotion outburst. Listen sweety, just because the british gave up their colony five work days before Italy did, doesnt mean you were a nation "before" the unified Somalia. I suggest you read history books that the North resented division of the South and wanted unity as soon as possible. Almost everyone from Saylac to Sool wanted unification. So this coocked up imaginary episode where you were a "country" never existed. Northwestern Somalia was under british imposed colonialism, and if that is called "statehood" according to you, then im sorry.

And please no personal attacks, its so predictable.

I see you're still barking and need some training. British Somaliland was given Independence as was the rest of Somaliland Italy be it five days apart but the key point here is one was part of Italian colony which due to colonist demarcation of territory was given borders. Otherwise it would still be part of Ethiopia. Infact, the Ethiopians believe it still is. So if you deny the demarcation of borders by the colonialists you are stupidly denying Somaliland Italy was not part of Ethiopia.

So I suggest you do you're studying and learn about How Afriaca is made up of colonial borders? Without this you would find yourselves still part of Ethiopia. As for the name calling please you know you're the little hot headed dog barking names. Now as I told you before sho sho

[Coeus]

I see you're still barking and need some training. British Somaliland was given Independence as was the rest of Somaliland Italy be it five days apart but the key point here is one was part of Italian colony which due to colonist demarcation of territory was given borders. Otherwise it would still be part of Ethiopia. Infact, the Ethiopians believe it still is. So if you deny the demarcation of borders by the colonialists you are stupidly denying Somaliland Italy was not part of Ethiopia.

So I suggest you do you're studying and learn about How Afriaca is made up of colonial borders? Without this you would find yourselves still part of Ethiopia. As for the name calling please you know you're the little hot headed dog barking names. Now as I told you before sho sho

All african nations are required to uphold colonial borders. Special cases are given referendums (South sudan,Eritrea). North Somalia however choose to unite and therefore there is no need of referendum.

And please the insults is childish. That is a problem with females. They cannot detach their emotions from Politics. I suggest that you make up a sentence without including insults. I would also advice you on improving your spelling capability.

Now i will be leaving this topic. Enjoy.