Kenya, Uganda, and Burundi appreciation thread.

[Garuun]

the only thing positive about them is they unite somalis.we set our differences aside as long they they are in our afairs.seriously they have nothing to do in Somalia.

they all mercenery. waste lands that are draining their masters economy..

[Meru]

voltage, you are a true Somali patriot,those who criticize you are traitors,we will arrest them soon bro

[Voltage]

Abdiwahab-

That is an honestly fair assessment bro, but look at my statement thus;

I have to say it is more than money. After all, the same amount of money and support provided to Uganda would be provided to all other African countries who did step...

...Even the ulterior motives mentioned by the always cynical, suspicious, and the uneducated, illiterate Somalis with overly emotional pseudo-nationalistic jingoism is not comparable, a "quid pro quo" for the sacrifice shown by these nations.

Maybe they are not "100%" altruistic, but then the money ambition has to come a certain sense of principle, a dedication, and a real belief in the cause for these nations to have persisted for so long when so many other equally desperate African countries have under weighed the money and influence vis-a-vis real sacrifice for it. The desire for money can be shared, but beyond that the sense of principle, the dedication, and the real belief in the cause cannot be emulated; it has to be internally manifested and it is in that respect we should recognize them.

[Voltage]

the only thing positive about them is they unite somalis.we set our differences aside as long they they meddeling our afairs.seriously they have nothing to do in Somalia.

And then what when they leave? We fall back in disunity and go back to taking arms against each other? I mean how long can you pick this cycle up? At some point you have to use the brain God gave you and realize that pattern is untenable.

Somalis are so damn surface with zero foresight. It is always about now, now, now. What happens tomorrow when they leave? Do you mean to tell me that unity which has always collapsed will magically persist and who would be uniting? Al Shabaab and those against them? Sufi vs. Akhwaan? The warlords and tribal ambitions? How pathetic to think this way.

[Voltage]

voltage, you are a true Somali patriot,those who criticize you are traitors,we will arrest them soon bro

Well Meru a free and civilized society allows all kind of debate and participation as long as it is within the parameters of the law. I do not mind they have these views, but I would prefer if they didn't which is why I feel I should show them the full nature of the discourse to them. Oftentimes we Somalis are prevented from deep introspection as long as we stick to surface mantras and surface rhetoric devoid of of any depth or substance. A topic like this serves as a wake up call to those who don't really even know why they daily insult the sacrifice of our African brothers due to the face they have never had to question it.

[RovingMadness]

When its all said & done, history will honor the many sacrifices committed by our African brothers from Uganda & Burundi who achieved incredible progress in their attempts to stabilize our country. That they stayed on task & ignored the many fabricated myths and misinformation about them being colonizers while at the same time being subjected to consistent attacks. It speaks of their determination & courage in the line of fire that despite the challenges they not only lobby for Somalia in International groups but are in fact fighting and pushing this evil enemy out of our country so our future generations canine in peace & dignity.

Indispensable friends of the Somali people, indeed.

[Voltage]

Roving, I salute you sxb.

[AbdiWahab252]

Voltage,

I spoke with a Ugandan AMISOM soldier in Mogadishu and he told me that he was looking forward to going back home. He did not enjoy being in Somalia at all but as a soldier had to follow orders. Most of the AMISOM battalions are not having a great time in Somalia. I do commend Uganda and Burundi for going where other nations refused to go. I don't view them as oppressors but as countries that are trying to evolve themselves into being regional players.

My qualms is that there is no reliable Somali partner to work with AMISOM. If there was, AMISOM would have deployed out of Somalia quickly or remained behind with a smaller footprint. AMISOM's fault is that they are forced to protect an unreliable partner who is less committed to salvaging Somalia than them.

P.S. If you try to reason with village idiots you will lose your braincells. I meet many here who spin conspiracies that Somalia is a highly prized nation and assess a worth that does not exist. If there is any nation that needs salvaging and is more important to the West, it would be Yemen not Somalia.

[Garuun]

voltage

They put Somalias sovereignity at risk. Go tell those fairytale to the hundres of thousands of somali kids they have made orphans since they came to somalia.

[Garuun]

and see if they buy it.

[Voltage]

P.S. If you try to reason with village idiots you will lose your braincells. I meet many here who spin conspiracies that Somalia is a highly prized nation and assess a worth that does not exist. If there is any nation that needs salvaging and is more important to the West, it would be Yemen not Somalia.

It is really 100% arrogance built on the back of ignorance; a sense of self-wroth that is extremely convoluted. I see this a lot with older Somalis and I laugh; when I see it in younger Somalis who should be more educated it distresses me. I am always reminded of what Peter Bridges (the former American ambassador to Somalia in the 80's) wrote in his memoirs. He said:

The American ambassador to Somalia back in the days, Peter Bridges, said it as much. He said "Somalis believe themselves to be the center of the world, when they hardly exist in it's periphery".

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Really this is what drives some of these pseudo-nationalists and they are so impractical in that basis of rationale, it irks me immensely.

[Voltage]

They put Somalias sovereignity at risk.

What sovereignty? Good Lord, anaaba kaa gardaran.

[AbdiWahab252]

Garuun,

What do you consider the Arab, Asian, other African Al Qaeda fighters in Al Shabab ? Are they not foreigners ? What gives them the right to fight inside SOmalia ?

[abdisamad3]

wow did you guys notice voltage and twisted are in agreement of something,,,even with their clan differences..that proves we Somalis can set a side the clan bullshit and agree with each other...well too bad they are in agreeing on dabodhilifnimo and not wadinimo and islamic brotherhood..
btw to my dear cousin voltage it pains my heart to know you would make a thread to praise mercenery forces who are making money on the blood of our brothers and sisters, I know we are all disapointed at somali situation but comon brother this a shamefull way of showing your frustration.

[Estarix]

Ceeb thread
These nations dont give a toss about Somalia.