Welcome to SomaliNet Forums, a friendly and gigantic Somali centric active community. Login to hide this block

You are currently viewing this page as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, ask questions, educate others, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many, many other features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join SomaliNet forums today! Please note that registered members with over 50 posts see no ads whatsoever! Are you new to SomaliNet? These forums with millions of posts are just one section of a much larger site. Just visit the front page and use the top links to explore deep into SomaliNet oasis, Somali singles, Somali business directory, Somali job bank and much more. Click here to login. If you need to reset your password, click here. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC article)

Daily chitchat on Somali politics.

Moderator: Moderators

OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE
Jaidi
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2227
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC article)

Postby Jaidi » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:35 pm

As Kenya's troops continue their incursion into southern Somalia in pursuit of Islamist militants, the BBC's Will Ross considers the motives behind the deployment.

"I hope in three or four months, al-Shabab will have been removed from our region. Then one day I'll invite you to come to Kismayo to see what's going on," said Abdullahi Shafi, personal assistant to the governor of Somalia's Lower Juba region.

He is hopeful that with Kenyan military help, he can soon return home to a new semi-autonomous region in southern Somalia.

"We have been in hell for the last 20 years. We need a new Somalia," he said, wearing a T-shirt emblazoned with "Azania" - the name of the new region which comprises Gedo, Lower Juba and Middle Juba.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote

I think the Kenyans are into a very long and messy intervention in Somalia”

Rashid Abdi Horn of Africa analyst

It already has a flag - blue, white and red - a parliament, a house of elders and a president in waiting.

The Kenyan government says it sent troops to Somalia to fight al-Shabab, whom it blames for the recent kidnappings of tourists and aid workers.

"Kenya has the capacity, the ability and the will to defend its territory and its people," said Moses Wetangula, Kenya's foreign minister.

But analysts point out that for several years Kenya, with international support, has been pushing for Azania, traditionally known as Jubaland, to be set up.

Kenya has trained and equipped Somali troops, as it would like a buffer zone to shield its territory from lawless Somalia.

So some analysts see the kidnappings as just a convenient excuse for carrying out the plan militarily.
Map of Somalia's disputed areas

The army has been giving unverifiable reports of success across the border.

The Kenyan media, which have scarcely questioned the motive for going to war, have told the country about captured towns that no one has ever heard of.

One front page article referred to the "imminent fall of Kismayo".

For now, the cautious voices are being drowned out.

"It's not going to be easy for Kenya to stabilise and pacify that part of Somalia, much less drive out al-Shabab," said Rashid Abdi, of the International Crisis Group.

"I think the Kenyans are into a very long and messy intervention in Somalia."
Rich in oil?

The man who hopes to soon end his absentee presidency says the creation of Azania, in April, came about following the consultation of more than 30 clans.

He says he is not a separatist, but speaks of a bright future for his people in a Somalia where power is devolved from Mogadishu.
Al-Shabab's military spokesman Sheik Abdul Asis Abu Muscab Al-Shabab has threatened retaliatory attacks in Kenya

"Our priority will be to consolidate the peace, set up the administration and re-establish education and health systems before we move on to development and infrastructure," Somali MP Professor Mohammed Abdi Gandhi told me in Nairobi.

Asked where he got his last name from, he smiled and replied, "Because I'm against violence."

A geologist with dual French and Somali nationality, he has critics who accuse him of imposing what some call the "Gandhi plan" without being all-inclusive.

"They met at a hotel in Naivasha where Professor Gandhi was proclaimed the president. Everybody clapped. The constitution was produced. They all clapped again, even though they hadn't even read it," one critic told me.

In response, Mr Gandhi says the process has been as inclusive as possible with dozens of consultative meetings.

There are reports that Azania - or at least the sea off its coast - is rich in oil.
Continue reading the main story
“Start Quote
Professor Mohammed Abdi Gandhi, president of Azania

[President] Sheikh Sharif doesn't want change... He wants al-Shabab to stay”

Mohammed Abdi Gandhi President of self-declared Azania

Mr Gandhi, a former Somali defence minister, has worked as a consultant for the French oil giant Total. This and this has led some to conclude that countries including France and Norway have thrown money at the Azania project.

"These are all rumours. Not true," he says.

"To my knowledge, there are no groups or companies that have come to us. When it's peaceful, then we will open the door and all the international oil companies can come to explore. Nothing is under the table."

Centralised power has not worked well in Somalia.

The war has kept the government confined to the capital Mogadishu and, more often than not, to hotels in Nairobi.

As Puntland and Somaliland and several other states break away, a devolved form of government is seen as better way forward, as long as it is well planned and not done through the gun alone.

"Ideally, Somalis should have been given the opportunity to plan for a federal state in a gradual, consensual way," says Mr Abdi.

"Right now, we have clans competing among themselves to carve out clan enclaves or cantons in various parts of Somalia. I don't think clan states are the way forward for Somalia."

Ethiopian factor

Somali government officials have given mixed reactions to the Kenyan incursion.
A Kenya soldier on the border with Somalia Kenyan troops are fighting alongside a Somali militia against al-Shabab

President Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Ahmed said the government was grateful for logistical support but said the Kenyans should stay out of Somalia - a comment which drew this response from the president of Azania.

"Sheikh Sharif doesn't want change. To prolong his power, he wants the status quo. He wants al-Shabab to stay. He is a big obstacle to peace. He has done a lot to block our programme," Professor Gandhi told me - without ruling out the possibility of this stance leading to armed conflict between the president's and his soldiers.

"If he keeps the status quo, he can convince the international community that he is fighting al-Shabab. He needs more help and more time. For him, all he has in mind is to stay in power."


The controversial issue of foreign troops in Somalia could complicate the Kenyan mission.

Some analysts suggest it could even help bolster al-Shabab, which has played the nationalist card before.

The Kenyans are fighting alongside a militia run by Sheikh Ahmed Madobe - a man who does not see eye-to-eye with Mr Gandhi.

As well as this potential source of tension, there is also concern that clan rivalries could break out if the common enemy of al-Shabab is dealt with.

Then there is the Ethiopia factor.

Analysts say Addis Ababa is strongly opposed to Azania being set up.

The fear is Ethiopian Somalis of the Ogaden clan may seek support or refuge across the border in Azania which is inhabited mainly by people of the Ogaden clan.

As for Kenya, it clearly had to act to secure its border - the question is whether that should have been done without crossing the frontier or at least without going deep into Somalia's web of war.

"I think once the body bags come back home and the huge bill comes in at a time when the shilling is depreciating so fast, Kenyans will sober up. They will realise that this kind of foreign adventurism may have been ill advised," said Mr Abdi.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15499534


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

User avatar
XimanJaale
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 12364
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:15 am
Location: Buulo Xubeey, Wadajir District
Contact:

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby XimanJaale » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:37 pm

When was this posted on BBC website? today?

User avatar
accident
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 3782
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:06 pm
Location: Auckland, New Zealand

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby accident » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:42 pm

I see a Shabab resurgence in the near future. :lol:

Jaidi
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2227
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby Jaidi » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:43 pm

XimanJaale wrote:When was this posted on BBC website? today?


Yeah today.

User avatar
XimanJaale
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 12364
Joined: Wed Oct 27, 2010 4:15 am
Location: Buulo Xubeey, Wadajir District
Contact:

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby XimanJaale » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:49 pm

Jaidi wrote:
XimanJaale wrote:When was this posted on BBC website? today?


Yeah today.


Thanks for the clarification :up:


"They met at a hotel in Naivasha where Professor Gandhi was proclaimed the president. Everybody clapped. The constitution was produced. They all clapped again, even though they hadn't even read it," one critic told me.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

User avatar
zingii
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 9937
Joined: Thu Sep 11, 2008 2:43 am
Location: Agah, Arlee, Boowe, Gaw, Nooh.

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby zingii » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:52 pm

:lol: :lol:

User avatar
tightrope
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 6581
Joined: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:46 pm
Location: U MAD SOUTHIE?

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby tightrope » Fri Oct 28, 2011 2:54 pm

I HATE THAT FOCKING "AZANIA" NAME!
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMALIA! IT'S A MODERN-DAY TANZANIA! :down:

Executive
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 13911
Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2006 6:08 pm

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby Executive » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:06 pm

Azania is all over western media too? WTF

User avatar
UlteriorMotive
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 1706
Joined: Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:12 pm
Location: This be the realest shit I ever wrote

Re: Are Kenyans seeking a buffer zone in Somalia( BBC articl

Postby UlteriorMotive » Fri Oct 28, 2011 3:13 pm

Oh what a tangled web we weave.

What a bloody mess. So many competing interests.

Also, Ghandi as well as having French nationality was a consultant for Total the French oil company? So is that why French planes have been partaking in the operation?

Hmmm. The plot thickens.


OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE

Hello, Has your question been answered on this page? We hope yes. If not, you can start a new thread and post your question(s). It is free to join. You can also search our over a million pages (just scroll up and use our site-wide search box) or browse the forums.

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Politics - General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: nine and 16 guests