Poll on SL sovereignty

[madara]

sadly its the current political environment..

mopst southerners even hawiye are against somaliland..

which means they are an enemy...

rightly percieved as an enemy..

this has nothing to do with the faqash government..

its to do with this attitude..

Where do you get this from? Any source to back you up? Or you see enemies everywhere?

[fighter]

Gurey,

More hawiye support the somalilands quest of independence than your dhulbahante and warsangeli neighbors you intermarry and live with.

That's the truth.

Do you perceive the harti as your enemy?

You must be rational enuff to know that there is a south vs north thing going on in hargeisa and abdiwahab said it very clearly. There is a huge propanda marketing scam in sland that unfairly targets the hawiyes

Somaliland is unfairly targeting the hawiyes

Your real enemies are the people right under your nose

Not the hawiyes who own most of the big companies thats headquartered in hargeisa govt

Like I said, your REAL enemies are the people who r under ur nose, the people who represent the D in MOD and the O in MOD. The O's that live near the Eidangales on the border and the D's who r scattered all over the place in sland

Know your friends and know your enemies

[AbdiWahab252]

Fighter,

Gurey is a good lad whom we are abti to. The reality is that kids were raised to believe a fairytale struggle pitting "Somalilanders" against the occupying Southerners aka Somalians. When the reality was that it was some Issaq in SNM vs. a coalition of Faqash consisting mainly of Gadabursi, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli, and Issaq.

The reality is that an Issaq will always deeply love and support maintaining a strong relationship with a Darood who rejects him. It was the current President Silaanyo who stopped the Garxajis warriors from liberating Sool and Sanaag from Faqash forces just because of his clan's deep love for Harti.

However, that same kind of mercy was not shown to the Dir Gadabursi who were attacked and humiliated very badly. Today, Borama does not challenge Somaliland, but Sool does.

[D-Runner]

Fighter,

Gurey is a good lad whom we are abti to. The reality is that kids were raised to believe a fairytale struggle pitting "Somalilanders" against the occupying Southerners aka Somalians. When the reality was that it was some Issaq in SNM vs. a coalition of Faqash consisting mainly of Gadabursi, Dhulbahante, Warsangeli, and Issaq.

The reality is that an Issaq will always deeply love and support maintaining a strong relationship with a Darood who rejects him. It was the current President Silaanyo who stopped the Garxajis warriors from liberating Sool and Sanaag from Faqash forces just because of his clan's deep love for Harti.

However, that same kind of mercy was not shown to the Dir Gadabursi who were attacked and humiliated very badly. Today, Borama does not challenge Somaliland, but Sool does.

In a nutshell... waa laa xiniinyo sibaay miyaa reer Borame? Dee meesha rag maa jooge Abdiwahab dumarka rag aan u noqono.

[fighter]

Abdiwahab,

I can certainly definently believe that.

It could possibly be that Silanyo stopped the Garhajis due to embarassment on the intl stage with whatever minimal exposure the man gets. The intl community might criticize Somaliland for being a "failed state like Somalia". Whatever legitimacy he has on the world stage cannot be jeopardized.

Garhajis are warriors indeed though. They remind me of the noble Sacads.

Their nobility, their fierceness and their bravery; just like the mighty Sacad.

And the only Isaaqs I've seen wave the blue and white flag were Garhajis.

The Garhajis have a special place i n the hearts and minds of hawiye.

[gurey25]

fighter this is not me saying this, but the general perception.
You and i know that its not true, my reer abtiyaal for example are pretty much either supportive of somaliland or nuetral, couldnt care less.
but the average somalilander in the street will see a speech by shiekh shariif, by Abdulqasim salad, and other politicians and make their minds up..

you are right its an us versus them mentality these days and it has to stop

[gurey25]

as for you Abdiwahab you really are in love with your fantasy...
you fail to understand somaliland politics and used your imagination to fill in the blanks ignoring facts.

here are the facts.

1.No major fighting occured between the Gadabursi and the SNM except for the occupation of the town of Dila where there where heavy civilian casualties.
2. The dila incident though regretable was only 1 event, while dozens of similar incidents happened in Sanaag and sool as there was a full clan war affecting all sides. The gadubursi got away without any major fighting.
3. The gadabursi millita where as well armed as the SNM and united and suffered no major millitary defeats.
4. The embracing of somaliland was not coerced as they were not defeated but it was a shrewed political calculation by their leadership and it was the correct one.

5. The 1992 civil war showed the Gadabursi that isaaq were not a monolithic united block that will dominate them, and they realized that we were not a threat
this encouraged them to support somaliland even more, and they were instrumental in the 1993 peace treaty, basically saving somaliland.

[AbdiWahab252]

Gurey,

Habar Awal are focked up. They forgot to extend the friendly umbrella over their Dir neighbors. You lot shielded your Jeberti neighbors.


The Somaliland franchise is only accepted in the hearts of the Issaq. The others are not buying fully into it and are waiting for a strong Somaliweynist regime in Xamar.

[anonymousfaarax]

Somaliland independence or its remaining with Mogadishu is not important in so far as what is actually important is the relationship between the people of Somaliland and Somalia. If they have a good relationship with mutual respect they can work together to achieve common interests. If they don't have a good relationship it will be to the detriment of the both of them.

There may be two independent states and there still be a good relationship between the people; or there can be some kind of federal state. As long as people know that they need to work together for their own common interests, and that having a good relationship will certainly help this, the detail is trivial.

A simple referendum will help clear all this up.

Also:

1. It is upto the political elite of Somalia whether they will act in such a way that would have the effect of 'pushing' Somaliland away from them, possibly towards Ethiopia, or pull Somaliland towards Somalia; this includes both Somalia's policy towards Somaliland and the general political situation of Somalia. The current political siuation in Somalia is certainly not helping to 'pull' in Somaliland. Somaliland, SSC, Puntland and Galmudug should really be looking to work together for the purposes of security/development/health/business.

The political elite of Somaliland also need to think more long term and strategicallu to realise they have a significant interest in (a) good relationships between the various Somali groups and (b) the need for a platform in which these groups can work together for their own common interests. Though Somaliland government has often mentioned the need for good reltionship with Somalia, they need to be specific and unequivoval as to (a) what platform they expect this co-operation to take place in and (b) what actions they are taking to ensure this does actually happen.

2. Unity, or should I say the idea of unity, is not an abstract concept to which you refer only when Somaliland comes up. This should be at the centre of Somali/Somalia politics and as such be reflected in the policies and actions of Somalia. That there is atm, at least politically speaking, no 'Somalia' to speak of shows that this is not the case. It is not Somalila/Somaliland unity that is at stake here but the unity of all Somalis and so don't just shout unity when Somaliland is brought up but also when galmudug/puntland/azan.jub.land/ssc etc. are brought up because it is not as if they are united; the oft cited federal framework is seen more as a short term means to greater empowerment and international political ligitimization by these factions rather than a genuine model or vessel for unity. Lets be genuine about unity!

[SahanGalbeed]

as for you Abdiwahab you really are in love with your fantasy...
you fail to understand somaliland politics and used your imagination to fill in the blanks ignoring facts.

quoted for truth .
Kolba wuxuun baynu sugayna ayuun bay ku hayaan kuwani .
twenty fukin one years , bay dawlad uun ka sugayaan Xamar ka dhalata

[Saraxnow]

Gurey,

Habar Awal are focked up. They forgot to extend the friendly umbrella over their Dir neighbors. You lot shielded your Jeberti neighbors.


The Somaliland franchise is only accepted in the hearts of the Issaq. The others are not buying fully into it and are waiting for a strong Somaliweynist regime in Xamar.

How so? I am pretty sure President Cigaal AUN , a Habar Awal, chose a dir as his PM to win their support. Today, Dir are just as involved in Somaliland affairs as any other Isaaq. It was HJ that shielded the Jebertis in the East, I dont suppose that is a bad thing. But perhaps the unrest in the East comes now because they havent experienced the civil-war as much as the rest and are not as weary of it.

Also there were large numbers of Faqash foot soldiers from the south especially those that spoke Af may-may.

Those ''others'' who are not buying into Somaliland and are waiting for xamar, will be waiting a hell of a long time!