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Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

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Which Clan hates the Kacaan government the most

Poll ended at Tue Jan 03, 2012 6:45 pm

Hawiye
5
29%
Isaaq
6
35%
Majeerteen
6
35%
 
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Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 6:45 pm

Since we know the former government of the Somali republic 2 major Clans fought against it the Isaaq hawiye and a subclan called the Majeerteen now the question is which of those 3 hated the regime the most or still hates it the Most.

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby fighter » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:10 pm

Hate was exhibited mostly by sub-clans in Hawiye and Isaaq.

Habar Gidir hated the govt much, much more than Hawiye yar yar.

And although Garhajis had hate, it was much much more exhibited by other Isaaq sub clans.

The level of hate was not the same for different sub clans.

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:20 pm

Yeah i know the Habargedir played a major role in the fight against the former Government and also the leading role Amongst the hawiye but Mudulood were also Members of the USC and Murursade. The Isaaq subclans also fought equally though some hated more than others. Wile SNM was led by President Siilaanyo until 1989 and after 1989 it was led by president Abdurahmaan tuur aun

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby fighter » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:41 pm

Yeah i know the Habargedir played a major role in the fight against the former Government and also the leading role Amongst the hawiye but Mudulood were also Members of the USC and Murursade. The Isaaq subclans also fought equally though some hated more than others. Wile SNM was led by President Siilaanyo until 1989 and after 1989 it was led by president Abdurahmaan tuur aun
True, I think the HA's hated the kacaan govt the most post-91, followed by the Habar Gidir.

The biggest advocators of Somaliland r the biggest haters of the Kacaan govt if u think of it.

I've seen somali flags waved and in the homes of garhajis, never see that with HA or HJs.

But I'm not saying Garhajis support the kacaan, far from it. But its evident HA/HJ hate that former govt the most.

Hawiye r emotionless though, they will never state their opinion but they will brag when they r cornered by Kacaan lovers and say "we chased him all the way to Lagos".

So I think the Isaaq hate the most since Hawiye never open up. Probably because they r too humble to express their anger and hate

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby DANGIRL » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:48 pm

Reer maroodi.

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:50 pm

That could be true the Hawiyes are emotionless or they just do not talk about it or express them selves they rather Shoot :lol:
yeah it could be that the habar awal hated the Kacaan the most because i remember cali Asad aun the former Mayor of hargeysa a habar awal came with the idea to place a Mig Jet at kheriyada hargeysa as a memorial, but the Garxajis were the most determined they used to Kill the Faqash from their Clan ina james a faqash Spy was Killed burco slaughtered by his own Kin they let his body rot :lol:

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby fighter » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:00 pm

That could be true the Hawiyes are emotionless or they just do not talk about it or express them selves they rather Shoot :lol:
yeah it could be that the habar awal hated the Kacaan the most because i remember cali Asad aun the former Mayor of hargeysa a habar awal came with the idea to place a Mig Jet at kheriyada hargeysa as a memorial, but the Garxajis were the most determined they used to Kill the Faqash from their Clan ina james a faqash Spy was Killed burco slaughtered by his own Kin they let his body rot :lol:
Lool yes I'm aware of isaaq faqash supporters, there's one who was the personal doctor of barre, not sure what happened to him or if he's still alive. I think he was habar younis, I could be wrong.

I don't know about HA faqash supporters but there's one who is the current foreign minister of the TFG who's habar awal and doesn't support somaliland (rageh omaars older brother). I've also heard rageh omaar himself doesn't support somaliland but is more quiet about it. Looks like there r habar awals who support kacaan(maybe, maybe) or some that don't support sland (there r cases of this)

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:04 pm

No do not confuse raage with his waste of sperm brother Mohammad ,,,raage is a firm believer of Somalilands sovereignty and Independence during the election he wrote a great article about Somaliland democracy he is very much involved in Somaliland

yeah dr gaboose he is still alive, but do not confuse isaaq unionists with former faqash supporters both general jamac maxammad qalib and buuba were SNM members but isaaq unionists

Here is the article

Having broken away from a failed state, Somaliland is now a success story. But the west won’t recognise it.
In Africa this past week a completely peaceful presidential election was held. International observers said it met all the western standards for a free election. What’s more, the incumbent president fully accepted the result the minute it was announced and handed over power to his successor and bitter political rival – and on accepting his victory, the president-elect thanked and congratulated the outgoing president for his services to his country.
What makes this election remarkable, and an important example not just to Africa but to the whole of the developing world – especially Muslim countries – is that it took place in Somaliland, a self-declared republic that broke away from the rest of Somalia 20 years ago, which doesn’t get a penny of international assistance, and which hosts an estimated 600,000 refugees from the continuing civil war in the rest of Somalia.
The week before the election, al-Shabaab, al-Qaida‘s Somalia-based branch, warned the government and people of Somaliland not to go through with the election. Over 1 million voters ignored the threat, queueing for hours all over the country to cast their ballot.
Somaliland presents the other Somali vision that has become a reality. Next door to a country now synonymous with pirates, jihadists and suicide bombers, we have a nation of rules rather than individuals; where election results are accepted by those in power. Aside from today’s South Africa, it is hard to think of any other country on the continent which is a consistent example of this.
And it could not have a come at a more poignant moment. This week marks the 50th anniversary of Somalia’s independence. It is a tragedy for all Somalis, whether living in the stability of Somaliland or not, that what is left of Somalia now ranks as the world’s most failed state.
Somaliland, which lies on the Horn of Africa in the north-western corner of Somalia, is not formally recognised by any country – but it is accepted as a de facto country by many nations and organisations who maintain embassies and representative offices in the capital, Hargeisa. It is peaceful, stable and has had several transfers of power and free elections in its 20-year history.
It has a particularly close connection with Britain, not just in the tens of thousands who live here who have family links to Somaliland(yes, people actually go on holiday to a part of Somalia), but also in the fact that for nearly 80 years, Somaliland was a British protectorate.
For Somalilanders, formal recognition by the rest of the world is the holy grail, a national obsession that defines part of what it means to be a Somalilander and that cuts across all party lines. Having rebuilt itself from the ashes of the civil war and survived with no outside help, Somaliland cannot understand why other countries, particularly in the west, don’t open diplomatic relations with them. Now that the rest of Somalia has become one of al-Qaida’s main bases and the site of one of the world’s worst crises, the question of recognition is even more complex. Somaliland is a vital platform and the only visible option for trying to stabilise Somalia and reverse al-Qaida’s growth.
Somalilanders have never wanted to see their country in these terms: they want to distance themselves from the mayhem in Mogadishu as much as possible. Yet it is only by accepting this role that the international support they crave will begin to materialise. The beleaguered UN-backed government in Mogadishu has no other partners with a strong security force, democratic institutions and an intimate knowledge of Somali culture, language, clan system and politics. Up till now, the west has looked to Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda and others to be their key allies, overlooking the one partner that has a direct interest in bringing peace and security to Mogadishu and halting the spread of radicalism.
For two decades Somaliland and the west have been stuck with the status quo of acceptance without recognition. But the challenge of al-Qaida in Somalia means we cannot remain in this limbo. A new approach needs to be found – and fast.
By Rageh Omaar
The Guardian | Wednesday, 7 July 2010

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby fighter » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:15 pm

Mhmm very interesting article.

Also forgot to add the eidagale TFG defence minister.

It could possibly be that its not that they don't support somaliland but rather they are in the TFG for money (who isn't)

seems to be an individual choice of whether they believe in sland or not. I heard many many isaaqs went to xamar during the peaceful days of the islamic courts, mostly for business,

Majority may support sland but there is a quiet percentage of them that probably don't care or are pro-somalia that live in sland,

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby The_Emperior5 » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:19 pm

obviously there are individuals that are driven by their own desires and want to do something some want to be famous but they do not really care about there are some who believe in it , yeah the inexperience young fella from America the son of Calii ciise, The peoples of Somaliland and Somalia will always be connected and ofcourse some had their houses in Xamar and wanted to get it back when the courts came.

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby fighter » Sat Dec 31, 2011 8:28 pm

obviously there are individuals that are driven by their own desires and want to do something some want to be famous but they do not really care about there are some who believe in it , yeah the inexperience young fella from America the son of Calii ciise, The peoples of Somaliland and Somalia will always be connected and ofcourse some had their houses in Xamar and wanted to get it back when the courts came.
True, inshallah ur nation gets the recognition it Is seeking for, I'm aware shariff himself said "to stay in somalia is not necessary" so its good u have what it appears to be somewhat of support from the somalia president

Even if recognition doesn't come, doesn't seem to matter. Anyone who goes to Hargeisa will see there is not one thing that represents the somalia govt and it clearly is their own jurisdiction, nation of its own

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby AhlulbaytSoldier » Sun Jan 01, 2012 6:36 am

Isaaq had the biggest hatred because they were victums of holocaust committed by the kacaan.
Also the kacaan did massacre habargidir and hawiyes.

Thats why I still got hate for the kacaan :lol: :up:

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Re: Which Clan hated the Kacaan government the most

Postby Xamud. » Sun Jan 01, 2012 7:26 am

Emperior SSDF iyo SNM were not on the same league as USC. The latter one ruined a whole capital and massacred a lot of people belonging to many different tribes, USC were animals and they had no goal or vision. At last 2 kale they had a vision.


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