I May Not Agree With Our Somaliland Patrons

[Murax]

on a lot of things, but this is ridiculous. I don't understand why the TFG, Shariif, etc. are so crazy about 'Having talks with Somaliland' when all the TFG has done as a institution is fall on its face, and mercilessly cheat and neglect the very Somalis they were meant to serve both on the drought, and second on institution building. They are a complete failure (Including their current leadership) and have fell on their face to the point the entire International Community agreed in unison they should be put to an end. Instead of at least trying to focus on ridding the South of this Al Kilaab menace, establishing administrations of the rest of 'Italian' Somalia and then possibly beginning talks, they wanna waste more time and say We're gonna have talks with Somaliland when they have more pressing issues right in front of them. As it is the the top leadership cannot take a kaadi in Xamar without a escort from a Ugandan, yet they wanna talk about folks thousands of kilometres away? As I said before while I disagree and don't like a lot of the Somaliland stance on issues, I hope they flat out punk the TFG for this dumb overture.





Madaxweyne Shariif oo sheegay in la magacaabayo guddi ka shaqeynaya wadahadallo dhexmara DKMG ah ee Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland


Khamiis, Maarso 08, 2012 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha DKMG ah ee Soomaaliya, Shariif Sheekh Axmed ayaa maanta oo Khamiis ah sheegay inay sameynayaan guddi kasoo shaqeeya wahadallo dhexmara dowladda KMG ah iyo maamulka Somaliland oo horay ugu dhawaaqay inuu ka go'ay Soomaaliya inteeda kale.

Shariif Sheekh ayaa sheegay in la hilmaami karin qaybta weyn ee Somaliland ay ka qayb weyn ku lahaayeen xoreynta dalka iyo midnimadiisa isagoo sheegay inay ka hirgeliyeen deegaannadooda horumar dhinaca nabadda iyo siyaasadda ah taasoo aan la inkiri karin.

"Dowladda KMG ah waxay diyaar u tahay inay sida ugu dhaqsiyaha badan u saarto guddi si wadahadal loola billaabi lahaa walaalaheen Somaliland, iyadoo laga faa'iideysanayo fursadda billaabatay," ayuu yiri Shariif Sheek Axmed.

Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya ayaa beeniyay in dowladda KMG ah ay ka shaqeynayso burburinta maamullada dalka ka jira, balse wuxuu sheegay inay taageerayso DKMG ah horumarka iyo midnimadooda, isagoo sheegay inay u haystaan inay tahay guul ummadda Soomaaliyeed u soo hoyatay.

Sidoo kale, Shariif Sheekh wuxuu sheegay in dowladda KMG ah aysan albabbada ka laabanayn dadka cabashada qaba, balse ay u furayso cid walba oo wax tabanaysa, waajibna ay dowladda ku tahay inay raadinno fursad lagu mideyn karo Soomaaliya oo dhan.

"Baryahaan waxaa suuqa aad ugu jiray dowladdu waxay ka shaqeynaysaa inay burburiso Somaliland inay burburso Puntland taasna waxaba kama jiraan, innagu waxaan u arkaynay soo dhaweynta Qaatumo State howl gacanta Soomaaliyeed ku jirta, ujeedaduna ay tahay in dadka la wada hadashiiyo nabadna lagu wada noolaado, taasna waan kala hadalnay walaalaheen in dowladdu aysan waxba bur-burinayn balse ay wax dhisayso," ayuu yiri Shariif Sheekh.

Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya ayaa hadalkan ka sheegay xaflad lagu xusayay maalinta haweenka adduunka ee 8-da Maarso oo ka dhacday Muqdisho, wuxuuna ammaan u jeediyay haweenka iyo doorka ay kaga jiraan horumarinta bulshada.

Dhawaan ayay ahayd markii madaxweynaha Somaliland, Axmed Max'ed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) uu sheegay inay wadahadallo la yeelanayaan DKMG ah ee Soomaaliya, isagoo sheegay in DKMG ah ay ula hadlayaan sidii dowlad jaarkood ah.

Maxamed Xaaji Xuseen, Hiiraan Online
maxuseen@hiiraan.com
Muqdisho, Soomaaliya

[PRinCeS_LicK]

You said it so nicely Ma Sha AllaaaH ...

[SultanOrder]

Lol he simply said that he is going to make a committee to begin talks with Somaliland. Siilanyo himself recanted his former position of not having talks with tfg to wanting to have a dialogue with tfg as one would have with "neighboring countries". This is one of the things that have come out of the Somalia conference sxb, the higher powers have spoken.

[Murax]

Lol he simply said that he is going to make a committee to begin talks with Somaliland. Siilanyo himself recanted his former position of not having talks with tfg to wanting to have a dialogue with tfg as one would have with "neighboring countries". This is one of the things that have come out of the Somalia conference sxb, the higher powers have spoken.

Inadeer waa ku fahmay laakin still, its very clear the TFG always had a advanced prioritization issue along the borders of delusion. For one, it is not time for that, nor is it important for the TFG. When all the land they are supposed to control is ruled by stranded refugees from Kandhahar, they have no place to worry about other regions/lands.



Teeda kale la soco Rule Number 1 in Negotiation us Bargaining Position. What bargaining position does the TFG have?

[Shirib]

Lol he simply said that he is going to make a committee to begin talks with Somaliland. Siilanyo himself recanted his former position of not having talks with tfg to wanting to have a dialogue with tfg as one would have with "neighboring countries". This is one of the things that have come out of the Somalia conference sxb, the higher powers have spoken.

Inadeer waa ku fahmay laakin still, its very clear the TFG always had a advanced prioritization issue along the borders of delusion. For one, it is not time for that, nor is it important for the TFG. When all the land they are supposed to control is ruled by stranded refugees from Kandhahar, they have no place to worry about other regions/lands.



Teeda kale la soco Rule Number 1 in Negotiation us Bargaining Position. What bargaining position does the TFG have?

International Community has made it clear that they will go forward with the federal road map that was set out. The dual policy that was being employed prior is off the table, so everyone either gets going with the TFG and road map or is left isolated. That's their only bargaining chip.

[Murax]

Shirib,


If Shabab a ragtag, destitute group can say fock off to the International Community, I think Regional Admins that have been established for well over a decade (Somaliland, Puntland) can do the same.

[Shirib]

Shirib,


If Shabab a ragtag, destitute group can say fock off to the International Community, I think Regional Admins that have been established for well over a decade (Somaliland, Puntland) can do the same.

Al Shabaab has never had a desire to be apart of the international community. I think Somaliland and Puntland want to be in those realms and they don't want to suffer possible isolation from the IC by refusing to be part of the road map.

Why do you think Silaanyo went to the London conference for the first time when Somaliland hasn't been present at any of the other conferences concerning Somalia. The tides are changing, and politically you must change with it or risk being left out.

[mody21]

you have a good point wallahi , I would say let somaliland do its thing for the next 10 years and puntland do the same. then ten years from now if xamar has its shit together we re-unite , if not we give them the middle finger and move on with our lives.

[Saraxnow]

Somaliland attending the conference didn't really mean a change in it's political objectives but more a change in diplomacy and route to achieve those objectives.

If the news are true,it would have been much better to have talks with the next real government instead of the present TFG.

[SultanOrder]

Somaliland attending the conference didn't really mean a change in it's political objectives but more a change in diplomacy and route to achieve those objectives.

If the news are true,it would have been much better to have talks with the next real government instead of the present TFG.

What are you the spokesperson for Somaliland?
A change in it's political objective of seeking recognition is not a hard thing. The Somaliland government will hop on anyone who is pro union for political reasons. It is also a mechanism in which to control the population, and prevent civil strife. From implementing such things as moving shacks from central hargeisa you will hear one of the justifications being earning secession. So I things have to be done very slowly before changing it's said "political objectives". But the international community clearly said that Somalis (Somaliland and Somalia) must workout between themselves whatever level of unity they will have. Unity is not in question.

[SahanGalbeed]

The international community did NOT say

must workout between themselves whatever level of unity they will have

They don't get set the parameters of the discussion . They have called for discussions ON THE FUTURE OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP .
Saraxnow on principle is RIGHT. We would rather have a freely ELECTED counterpart .

[SultanOrder]

I personally believe that if Somaliland was part of the talks earlier, they would have been in the best position in Somalia. Yes, I also believe that Somaliland is better suited to have talks with an elected government, instead of the worst of Somali's brought together to form a government. But it is also very clear that a separated Somalia is not in the interest of IC, Somaliland however has the right to continue to seek recognition from the IC, but that is just letting more and more opportunities go, to be major players in Somalia, while also having autonomy.

[Saraxnow]

What are you the spokesperson for Somaliland?

Does me stating the obvious hurt that much?

A change in it's political objective of seeking recognition is not a hard thing. The Somaliland government will hop on anyone who is pro union for political reasons. It is also a mechanism in which to control the population, and prevent civil strife. From implementing such things as moving shacks from central hargeisa you will hear one of the justifications being earning secession. So I things have to be done very slowly before changing it's said "political objectives". But the international community clearly said that Somalis (Somaliland and Somalia) must workout between themselves whatever level of unity they will have. Unity is not in question.

This change in the objectives,I believe this is all in your head and the minds of some unionists because on the ground, contrary to whatever 'pro-union' Somaliland politicians may say or do, the citizens themselves are adamant on never changing that political objective.Government's are voted in and out,they come and go. It's a well known fact that in general Sl politicians are more or less liberal on the issue of independence than the electorate,so if anything it's a people's power game.

According to results of the Conference,Somalia and Somaliland can discuss issues between them,it doesn't mean the international community will force unity or disunity.

[samatar133]

We Somalilanders welcome negociation with TFG/Somalia. It should be sooner than later . Insha allah it will end with Somaliland joining the rest of the world and Somalia finally achieving stability and prosperity it desperately need .

Madaxweyne SHeekh SHariif sheekh Axmed Noolow

[abdikarim86]

Theys think that the masses will be tricked into union by their leaders.
Yaa dadkan u sheega if any leader tried this he'll be lynched by the mob

Our leaders way naga baqaan ....