Qabiil Politics is bad for Somalia

[Khalid Ali]

I say this because this resulted the 4.5 system in Somalia sometimes i feel guilty because if we Somalilanders didn't unite with Somalia 5 decades ago Somalia would've never turned into tribal fiefdoms We in Somaliland know how to deal with Qabils we know how to end tribal animosity.Now Somalia is heading towards more of tribal Politics and tribal federal states the problems will be even worse when u try to create Tribal borders as states. For us in Somaliland talking about tribes and sub clans is healthy we do that every day while if you did that in the 70s in Somalia the people would be like Aboowe naga dhaaf khabilka nooh. Koonfurians didn't even like talking about tribes. Thats why i don't think they will be able to build federal clan states with the exclusion of the Majeerteen the Puntland state they are a separate case they had Clan sultanate in the late 19 century they are a different type of Koonfurians. Now that Qabil politics will be promoted all over Somalia and federal states what will the future bring?

Discuss.

[CaliBurco]

I'm actually enjoying this circus. May more and more clan states appear to entertain me and keep Somalia on its knees.

[Khalid Ali]

War for them its like toxic hada Clan politcs is real bad for them because they are forced to take it to another level with clan states

They dont have a guy like Selebaan gaal who tells odayaasha shut the fuck up when they buuq around

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[greenday]

Ar dadkaan maxa isla weynin! Somalia cant do this, Somalia cant do that how would you like if we talk about what you cant do? you cant bloody get recognized marka

[Khalid Ali]

I have also noticed that the clans in Somalia they hardly hold clan gatherings inside the country only outside when it comes to establishing federal states the closes one was the habargedir one in galguduud led by indhocade, i told you this clan states building is nothing for them. For them Qabiil is something of name and something u use when there is colaad but not when there is peace.

[CaliBurco]

Ar dadkaan maxa isla weynin! Somalia cant do this, Somalia cant do that how would you like if we talk about what you cant do? you cant bloody get recognized marka

You are not able to use qabiil to your advantage.

[Eaglehawk]

kan khalid ali wa poorly educated, he doesn`t understand the difference between 1 clans internal politics and multi clan power play
The most powerful Somali sultanates where southern once like imamate of hiraab, geledi sultanate, saldanadi marehan, boqortoyadi ajuraan or saldanadi ogadeen ee koonfur ee Suldaan Cali Sokor

If you look at southern royal houses their abtirisi goes almost 20 generation ugaas to ugaas, or imam to imam, or malaaq to malaaq
Khalid ali isaaq is a relatively new clan compared to these ancient clans, it’s like comparing Russia to Kosovo
Southern clannism is more lethal, more clandestine and high risk high return game.
There is no one competing with isaaq over hargeisa while in koonfur saldanaha koonfur are competing with one and another which will lead to good old Somali labo garab like dir iyo daarood, aji iyo ajuraan

Khalid there is a reason while isaaq clan doesn`t have much history and a clan like geledi has glorious history, you lot don`t make history you are history spectators
Geledi Kings of inter river era and one of the preeminent Somali historical clan

The suldan of geledi amasse 40.000 troops in 1840 in the baardheere jihad, talk about power
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[Eaglehawk]

There is only one saldanad that before the coming of the colonist, every somali knew their power which was the garaadship of dhulbahante., warsangeli suldanate and cidagale sultanate where small in the highrachy of Somali clan structure

Even western ogadeen saw ascendancy roughly when dhulbahante power was declining
The dhulbahante were the most laandheere clan among the somali in the period 1700 till 1920s

Go talk to any Somali historian about saldanaha Somali tirsan jirtay
What happened is that theyre has been inflation in Somali kingship, you wiil hear sultdaanka habar awal, dhulbahante 14 garaads, habar yonis suldaan
Habar yonis or habar awal never had sultanate nor a suldaan before the coming of colonism and dhulbahante used to have 1 garaad

saldani habar yonis is nothing more than a continuation of the historic geri sultanate, they united with reminent of boqortoyadi direed especially the magadle branch
you only have to study how clans switch identity go maternly instead of paternaly look no further then xawadle which was part of daarood confederation but switched to hawiye maternally

and majerteen was never part of the original daarood confederation or emirate harar but where more connected to coastal omani structure of sultanates
Remember the dir sultanate was desimated by the abysinians which give the the orginal daarood confederation which the habar yonis was part of which was created during emirate harar in post adal

The problem of somali is not clannish is politically entangling alliances

[Khalid Ali]

There where about 4 or 5 sultanates before the Colonialists arrived in Somaliland you had the mullahs of the Habr awal in berbera you had sharmarke ali salih baashe the Amiir of Seylac you had Xirsi Amaan in burco to sanaag , you had sultaan farax of the ciidagalle running the herer and daror and you had the Warsangali running xeebta Laasqoray Thats how it was before the colonialist, habr yunis had a sultanate before the colonialist since the late 18 century also the Habr awal had a sultanate before the Colonialist.

So who is competing with who in kismayo Darod ogaden Merexaan what is so special about ogaden and merexaan cant they share the so called Kismayo.
how come many darod subclans in bosaaso shared the city dasishe majeeerteen warsangali arab salih etc

Political clanism is bad for Somalia.

[Eaglehawk]

There where about 4 or 5 sultanates before the Colonialists arrived in Somaliland you had the mullahs of the Habr awal in berbera you had sharmarke ali salih baashe the Amiir of Seylac you had Xirsi Amaan in burco to sanaag , you had sultaan farax of the ciidagalle running the herer and daror and you had the Warsangali running xeebta Laasqoray Thats how it was before the colonialist, habr yunis had a sultanate before the colonialist since the late 18 century also the Habr awal had a sultanate before the Colonialist.

So who is competing with who in kismayo Darod ogaden Merexaan what is so special about ogaden and merexaan cant they share the so called Kismayo.
how come many darod subclans in bosaaso shared the city dasishe majeeerteen warsangali arab salih etc

Political clanism is bad for Somalia.

ogaden and marexaan are gigantic clans it’s hard to share, its like asking soviet and america to share the world, imposable both have their own design that fit to their grand strategy

Khalid ali it seems you don`t know the difference between legitimate historical Somali sultanate and sub clan territorial rule
For example the cidagale suldan is universally regarded as part of golaha daqanka somaliyeed, the rest you mentioned used to come under him

Ugaaska marexaan or imamka mudulood would not sit with habar awal or habar yonis suldan, why because in the ranks of saldanaha your suldaan is reer guleed cidagale

Isaaq never had decentralisation like hawiye and darood, for decentralisation to happened you need to carve out new territory which happened in the case of daarood after the death of the last daarood king maxamed daud which every darood sub clan claimed their own autonomy which the daarood crown excepted as means of xal

[Eaglehawk]

warsangeli was never suldanate it was a garaadship, remember a garaadship is part of larger sultanate, mahamuud ali shire claimed to the first sultan in a other word he was anticipating the new autonomy that british somalialnd would give him and make himself the sole repersentive of daarood in the new somaliland

There is a harti sultantes and dhulbahante garaadship and warsangeli garaadship, garaadship is like a region in a state, never the less the dhulbahante garaadship was the most preeminent almost a sovereign state in their own right
If the british didn`t come the dhulbahante would have claimed the daarood crown, and most would properly submit

[Khalid Ali]

What is the Population of Jubaland all together? or how big is the population of Kismayo is it bigger than Bosaaaso you are losing all the excused Eagle
let me tell you something Sultaan Guleed was crowned in the 1725s around 60 Years Later the habr Yunis Splitted off and Crowned their own Sultan Diiriye in burco.The Habr awal followed 5 Years later and Crowned a habr awal Sultan the Habr awal waged a war against Sultaan guleed Kingdom a deadly war.
In Somaliland before Colonialist Xirsi Amaan ruled Burco and attacked other Isaaq sultanates such as the Habar awal in Bula haar and berbera, Sharmarke salih was ruling Seylac he had his own fighters mainly from Adan and also from his own subclan the Muse care., The Ciidagales were ruling the Arab Isxaaq and all the way to the hawd this was sultan farax and Sultan Diriyes begin and mid 1800s. But Just today the Isaaq tribes made a union, they are better united than in 1960, even during Colonialial Britain every Clan was living in his own turf, All the 8 isaaq Subclans are today United because they have one goal.


The Historical Habr Awal Sultanate

Sultan Xassan
Sultan Cabdilahi
Sultan Cabduraxmaan
Sultan Diiriye
Sultan Cali
Sultan Cabdalle

[Khalid Ali]

Yes u are right the Warsangali had a gerad and Sultan Mohammad ali shire called him self the first sultan after waging a war against his own father.

[SahanGalbeed]

ogaden and marexaan are gigantic clans it’s hard to share, its like asking soviet and america to share the world,

See how crazy the dooro is ?
Wallahi waa wada caynka

Waa marka ay karti la'antu kaa badato ,aad dhinac aad ka qabato arrinta kala garanwaydo ayaad reality aanan jirin qofku samaysta .

[SahanGalbeed]

The truth to the matter is concerning this topic , Somaliland has enjoyed more peaceful days than Xamar .
When people FIRST agree to stop fighting , they start talking to each other .
The longer they keep talking , the more probable they will agree on certain things .