Was the war the best thing has ever happened to all Somalis?

[Arabmann]

Discuss.

It has its positives and negatives. You and others have already mentioned some of the positives. I will add one of the negatives; the individuals responsible for most of the deaths haven't been prosecuted, and are still free and at large. Individuals like Morgan, Ali Mahdi, Qeybdiid, Yalaxoow (not to be confused with dotoorka), Qanyare and many other dhiigyacabs.

[xiimaaya]

War brought religion divide and untrust from ordinary people with religious leaders. In the name of religion (islam) some men had mis used it to keep power overmany and killed thousands in process.


Facts


1. We had more respect for our islamic clerks Sheiks

2. We dispute on most issues and we dont follow one sect.

3. there is more sects in somalia then ever befor.

4.We are much more religously intolorant then befor

5. We dont trust wadadas anymore because good half of them are two faced and are agents of outsiders....

1) We probably had more respect for islamic sheiks because they were glorified like celebrities. Anything comes out their mouth is truth, fact and not to be questioned.

2) We dispute in effort to indirectly "clean" the Islam from the other influences including the cultural one and see point #1 how can you dispute if you aren't allowed to question the sheiks?

3) Every group you see, there will be always an extreme left and right version of that group. This is what happened. As far as I know, there is and still one main sect in the Somalia and that's Sunni. If you're talking about sufis and salafis and things like that then it's not really a sect, it's method that you follow the Islam (Probably not sufis).

4) True.

5) and first line on your post) Many people misused the Islam, in simple world, shouldn't we see more Muslims leaving the Islam? This did opposite. Aside that, I agree with you on this one.

Response to you reponses

1. true but not we question even the pure with good intenion .. In fact we cant tell who is who anymore. Saxib i think we need to evaluate these sheiks knowledge of islam befor we listen to them.

2) and 3) Saxib we are not new muslims. WE were muslms for atleast 800+ years . We should ask ourselfs this question why do now) have so much diffrence in terms of islamic views ? there is now Gray area in islam there i only one way and one way only.
and if we are practicing two diff ways then one of us is wrong.


5) just because some people mis use islam and you leave islam then you never knew what islam was to begain with..

[Alphanumeric]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of anyone sitting in a peaceful and prosperous country to suggest that civil war and all its sugary goodness was beneficial in any way for Somalis. If it's so awesome, why not go back? Why sit in your air conditioned homes, in front of high speed internet connections, not worrying about stray bullets or mortar shells, and suggest to others that poverty and death are a good thing; that it will bring you closer to Allah? If you cherish this closeness as much you claim, why have maids, cars, phones, etc? Why not embrace your principles wholly and abandon your current lifestyles?

The civil war was not caused or gifted to the Somali people by Allah as means of absolving or purging sins, nor as a method of bringing them closer to Him. The casualties of war should never be celebrated as human sacrifice for the following generations. To suggest that Allah wants for Somalis to be deprived of basic human needs is an injustice to Him and even more so, to the innocent people who have been wronged by those with power. It wasn't Allah who dropped bombs or fired bullets. It wasn't Allah who mounted machine guns to pickup trucks. It wasn't Allah who raped and murdered for two decades. Blame lies only with those who abused the power of governance and with those who wished to take it for themselves.

War is never a blessing.

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[gedo_gurl]

I think it's incredibly hypocritical of anyone sitting in a peaceful and prosperous country to suggest that civil war and all its sugary goodness was beneficial in any way for Somalis. If it's so awesome, why not go back? Why sit in your air conditioned homes, in front of high speed internet connections, not worrying about stray bullets or mortar shells, and suggest to others that poverty and death are a good thing; that it will bring you closer to Allah? If you cherish this closeness as much you claim, why have maids, cars, phones, etc? Why not embrace your principles wholly and abandon your current lifestyles?

The civil war was not caused or gifted to the Somali people by Allah as means of absolving or purging sins, nor as a method of bringing them closer to Him. The casualties of war should never be celebrated as human sacrifice for the following generations. To suggest that Allah wants for Somalis to be deprived of basic human needs is an injustice to Him and even more so, to the innocent people who have been wronged by those with power. It wasn't Allah who dropped bombs or fired bullets. It wasn't Allah who mounted machine guns to pickup trucks. It wasn't Allah who raped and murdered for two decades. Blame lies only with those who abused the power of governance and with those who wished to take it for themselves.

War is never a blessing.

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MashaAllah.

[ElfRuler]

Somalis are not more "Islamic". Wearing modest clothing and building dozens of tribal mosques does not necessarily meaning "more Islamic". Observe a Somali Mosque and then observe a non-Somali Mosque. The manners of the Somalis are not Islamic, the way the Masjid is ran is not Islamic, and the "Single-Monther" card used by 90% of the Somalis would not have existed if they "actually" became more educated about Islam!......Ooooops! I forgot tribalism would not exist either, but we all know how Somalis in the west love their shaax, xalwo and qabil talk. Somalis continue to mix Islam with culture, it's quite evident on this forum when you read the posts of "cyber-super-shiekhs".....

[Arabmann]

Somalis are not more "Islamic". Wearing modest clothing and building dozens of tribal mosques does not necessarily meaning "more Islamic". Observe a Somali Mosque and then observe a non-Somali Mosque. The manners of the Somalis are not Islamic, the way the Masjid is ran is not Islamic, and the "Single-Monther" card used by 90% of the Somalis would not have existed if they "actually" became more educated about Islam!......Ooooops! I forgot tribalism would not exist either, but we all know how Somalis in the west love their shaax, xalwo and qabil talk. Somalis continue to mix Islam with culture, it's quite evident on this forum when you read the posts of "cyber-super-shiekhs".....

You sound judgmental. Are you a better Muslim than them?

[PrinceDaadi]

Nearly a Million Somalis died because of the war directly or indirectly. Thousands others fled to Foreign countries where majority of their kids r lost due to identity crises. Every one thousand Somalis kids 150 dont reach yr five because of poor health system and lack of nutrition.


I cant believe somebody asked this question, waxaa laga yaabaa in madaxa biya uga jiraan.


The Islamic awakening started through the Muslim world in the 1980s so it is not the war that Somalis r more Muslim now than before, even countries like Turkey and Bosnia are become more Muslim due people going back to Islam.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Islamically speaking, quite large portion of Somalis before the war was not so religious. Every time they went out the house, they think "I'm going to this shop and I need buy this so and so" but never think about Allah, death or even Islam. Now that's different because they think death and what will happen to them.

It also effects the diaspora, in the UK (Dunno about other countries) I keep hearing Imams constantly praising Somalis for bringing their deen to UK. Some go as far as to say Somalis were the reason of Islamic revival which unofficially happened past 10 years. They say in the past, there was so many people who are ignorant in their religion, and many mixed religion with the culture. This is quite obvious in recent TV sitcom called "Citizen Khan" and older film "East is East" (I haven't seen west is west tho) which are based in the past, about 1970-2000.

Now we see more debates and most of debates are valid and are based in Qur'an and ahadith. In the past this would have never happened, if debates even were to happen, it would be all hearsay - no evidence.

What would have happened if the war didn't exist? A large amount of us would be non-practising Muslims or even atheists. This is one of reasons why we are grateful.

I think the war has cost 500,000 lives, is it worth it?

Discuss.

I'ts tottaly wrong to believe that the war was best thing that happens to Somalia.. first lets us look back the big picture!! yes you and i and most of somalinets we are the lucky ones. We did not lost our lives. we were view fortunate who get chance to live in western countres. you and i and all of somalinets the live of western countres and other comfortable countres.. so for us you and i the war of somalia can be best thing happen to our lives. but generally somalis and somalia the war is worst thing ever happens in Somalia... Atlist a million people lost their lives in Somalis war through our 21 years. some of them were killed by bullets, some of them diseases. some of them hunger.. some of them died in sea trying to escape the war and not so good live in Somalia.. the beachs of Yemen and Libiya and disert of LIBIYA AND SUDAN thousends of follow Somalis lost their lifes..

if somalia was peace that would not happen.. 1960 ad 1970s and 1980s No somalis ever died in red sea of yemen or disert of libiya trying to seek refugee in other countres.... last 20 years houndred of thousends died in hunger in Somalia

about religion and somalis being religios than 1970s and 80s??? yes more people females last 20 yearsd wears SAUDI HIJAAB clothes. but unfortunatly last 20 years more somali women become prostitute compare 1970s and 80s.. just visit MOMBAZA. HARGEYSA MOGADISHU. KISMAAYO anywhere !! niqaaB wearing somali young females selling their body for view shilling, dollars.. if somalia was peacefull nation that would not happen..

in west Somali teenages are number 1 when we talking about teenage abortion of immigrants... maybe somalis look more religios than they did 1980s but Somalis today are million times doing fasahaaad than people who grew up when Somalia was peacefull nation 1960s 70s and 80s...

The war was worst thing ever happen in Somalia and Somaalis..

[Talo alle udaa]

There is good and bad in everything.

Thanks to the war, we now have Somalis that speak all the languages of the world.

[Amirsade]

War has so much benefit if fought for the right reason, it takes a war to destroy a government and to build a government it take another war. when the new government takes over the country we will see clubs and night bars from mogadishu to hargeisa in couple of years but in kismaayo you will never see becouse how strong in faith they are.

[InvisibleHand]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? Who asks this kind of question?

We have all lost loved ones in this war. Every single one of us. Do you not think of your loved ones before you ask such a stupid question?

I've read somewhere more than 500,000+ people have been killed in this civil war. Now go back and you can answer your stupid question yourself.

Someone's mother, father, brother, sister, aunt, uncle, grandparents on this forum could have been killed during this war and you dare ask such a question.

This has nothing to do with Islam nor did God make the civil war happen.

Yes, someone's loved one being massacred while running for their lives is the best thing that ever happened to Somalia. Go kill yourself