Is the Somali presidency ceremonial or

[Eaglehawk]

does it have constitutional powers, so far what i read is, that the actual power lies with the prime minister-ship and the presidency is ceremonial head of state; a combination of british queen and Ethiopian president

somalia power structure is not like France, where there is division of labour between prime minister and president.
somalia is not like turkey, were the prime minister is elected and the president is appointed and somalia to the contrary, the president is elected and the prime minister is appointed.

since the new government will be real government with legal foundation and not a transitional entity, does the new president have actual power apart from being head of state and commander of the armed forces

[Eaglehawk]

What is the role of the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia?

According to the draft Provisional Constitution, the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia shall be the Head of State, the symbol of national unity, and the guardian and promoter of the founding principles of the Constitution.

As Head of State he will, among other tasks, sign draft laws passed by the Federal Parliament into law; open and dissolve the House of the People of the Federal Parliament; appoint senior governmental officials including the Prime Minister, the Council of Ministers, and the judges of the Constitutional Court; serve as the Commander in Chief of the armed forces; and declare war or a state of emergency.

How will the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia be elected?

The President of the Federal Republic of Somalia will serve and fulfill duties that relate to both the Federal Government and the Federal Member States. Therefore, in order to strengthen legitimacy the President will be elected by both Houses of the Federal Parliament in a joint session by a two-thirds majority.

Only if after two rounds of voting no candidate gains the necessary two-thirds majority, a third round of voting will be conducted between the two candidates who gained the greatest number of votes in the second round. The candidate gaining a simple majority of votes in this round will be elected President of the Federal Republic of Somalia.

The term of office of the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia will be four years and the President may only be removed from office for treason, or for gross violation of the Constitution or other laws of the Federal Republic of Somalia. His dismissal shall be processed through an official impeachment procedure requiring the support of the Constitutional Court, and a two-thirds majority vote of the members of both houses of the Federal Parliament.

What will be the role of the Prime Minister and the Council of Ministers?

While the President of the Federal Republic of Somalia is the Head of State, most executive functions of government are vested in the Council of Ministers. The Council of Ministers will be chaired by the Prime Minister, who will serve as the head of the Federal Government.

The members of the Council of Ministers will be individually accountable to the Prime Minister, and collectively accountable to the House of the People of the Federal Parliament, which may, at any time, dismiss the Council of Ministers by a vote of no confidence.

The Council of Ministers will be responsible for the formulation of overall government policy and its implementation, the preparation of draft laws to be tabled before the House of the People of the Federal Parliament, the implementation of the laws of the country, the preparation of the annual budget, the appointment and dismissal of senior public officials, and the nomination, appointment, and dismissal of ambassadors, consuls, and diplomats.

Who appoints the Prime Minister and the Council of Ministers?

The President of the Federal Republic of Somalia appoints the Prime Minister and, on his/her recommendation, the members of the Council of Ministers. After the Prime Minister’s appointment by the President of the Republic of Somalia, the Prime Minister must present the persons nominated for membership of the Council of Ministers, and the government’s program, to the House of the People of the Federal Government.

If the Prime Minister fails to get the endorsement of the House of the People of the Federal Parliament, or loses its confidence at a later stage, the President is obliged to dismiss the Prime Minister and the Council of Ministers, and appoint a new Prime Minister.

http://unpos.unmissions.org/LinkClick.a ... uage=en-US

[DayaxJeclee]

Haye, farmaajo haddii uu madaxweyne noqon lahaa, waxaanayti ma soo qori lahayd? jawaabtu waa maya. baroorta iska daay oo bulshada dhinac ka raac

[Cunaaye25]

Haye, farmaajo haddii uu madaxweyne noqon lahaa, waxaanayti ma soo qori lahayd? jawaabtu waa maya. baroorta iska daay oo bulshada dhinac ka raac

kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk dhibley....................dakaan iska daa walaaley........waxaa la rabaa wax niyada lagu dhisto....oo lagu faano..markaaa spoiler ha noqonin........... dadkaan u daa freedom of speech kooda

[Eaglehawk]

SareedoXareedo

farmaajo lost, its a new day, I don`t think he would have altered our strategic position if he won nor does his los have major impact on our overal grand plan, we are still after jubaland and we are 50 miles away from kismaayo.

sheik sharif was more accommodating toward us then farmaajo, just look at the positions that we hold in government, infect you can say the 2 calamity that has befallen us was kacaankii and farmaajo while sharif and cabdiqasim furthered our interest greatly (Realpolitik)

SareedoXareedo you need to learn beesha, we don`t complain we move on, just like when we fought aidid in 1991 and few years latter we were in alliance with habar gedir
I don`t think we lost in this election because the new president is great man and better suited for the presidency then farmaajo
somalis need to learn about the nature of somali presidency because the people that hold are unfortunately relegated to back of the bus(a lesson that we learned that mainy have not learned)
strategically i didn't `t want farmaajo to be president but I changed my mind when I saw the opportunity and the symbolism of having our guy as the first president after siyaad, I loved the symbolism of 21

we love making glorious history more then positions and we are even willing to put aside our intrest for a moment to own the moment


SareedoXareedo libin meel xun ha ka doonin because you might come over as qof ciil gaba and don`t confuse us with other somalis, we are not haters, infact we admire those that can go toe to toe with us, just check our history

me personally I have more respect for abdiwahab the usc mooryaan commander and his adeer aidid then majority of wax ma tarayaal oo calacala 24/7

beesha barakeysan wa gob dad meel xun wa ka doona maha

[Eaglehawk]

lets stick to the topic don`t tribalize or politicise everything and make it seem like a zero–sum game for some section of the population, while we are talking about collective topic about the nature of the new somali state.

[illuminatizz]

Eaglehawk

The Constitution Limits The Power of the President As Head of the State.But Uptill Right now,The USA and Its Allies Were Concerned With Ending The Transition,They Wanted A smooth Transition with no Blood Shed To End Somalis Prolonged Civil Strife.How can you do that with out Upsetting Powerful Men Like The Two Sharifs? One Of Them Influenced The Parliament (Sakiin) While The other had the Secret Services under His iron Grip(Sh.dalxis).

The Strategy of The AMISOM was to Replace Him with a More Competent Local leader Who enjoys Favorable View Domestically.Given These Considerations,The President Will Enjoy The Powers That his EX exercised until the Fledgling Federal Somali Republic Becomes Fully Functional.and By Functional i mean,A legitimate Government that has the Support of the International Community,A Respected member of the United Nations,enforces law and order with the newly acquired Security Apparatus,secures Its Sovereign Borders,Delivers basic Needs To The Public and Eventually becomes a staunch ally Of the War Against Terrorism.

That is Why Mrs.Clinton said in a statement "More Needs To be Done".

I am Fascinated By these Changing Times and Trends,I cant Wait To see The Time When Our Federal Republic Joins The Coalition of the Willing.We are Very Grateful To our Allies USA,TURKEY,Great Britian and Gulf Countries.

[DayaxJeclee]

SareedoXareedo

farmaajo lost, its a new day, I don`t think he would have altered our strategic position if he won nor does his los have major impact on our overal grand plan, we are still after jubaland and we are 50 miles away from kismaayo.

sheik sharif was more accommodating toward us then farmaajo, just look at the positions that we hold in government, infect you can say the 2 calamity that has befallen us was kacaankii and farmaajo while sharif and cabdiqasim furthered our interest greatly (Realpolitik)

SareedoXareedo you need to learn beesha, we don`t complain we move on, just like when we fought aidid in 1991 and few years latter we were in alliance with habar gedir
I don`t think we lost in this election because the new president is great man and better suited for the presidency then farmaajo
somalis need to learn about the nature of somali presidency because the people that hold are unfortunately relegated to back of the bus(a lesson that we learned that mainy have not learned)
strategically i didn't `t want farmaajo to be president but I changed my mind when I saw the opportunity and the symbolism of having our guy as the first president after siyaad, I loved the symbolism of 21

we love making glorious history more then positions and we are even willing to put aside our intrest for a moment to own the moment


SareedoXareedo libin meel xun ha ka doonin because you might come over as qof ciil gaba and don`t confuse us with other somalis, we are not haters, infact we admire those that can go toe to toe with us, just check our history

me personally I have more respect for abdiwahab the usc mooryaan commander and his adeer aidid then majority of wax ma tarayaal oo calacala 24/7

beesha barakeysan wa gob dad meel xun wa ka doona maha

Horta beesha barakaysan ma ku anfici wayday, yacni ma ku qancsanid miyaa. haddii ay jawaabtu tahay waan ku faraxsanahay dhalashadayda. Marka maxaas ku u dabo socotaa jarmalka.waa la kasay soomaali ma ku anficin, maxaas ku nacday beesha barakaysan ee Sade, jermal ayagaa ka gobsan

[sahal80]

Eaglehawk
Head of the state has the authority and the pm has the responsibility, two different things. Much of the authorities are reduced to the hands of the president and the speaker that why they both forced out farmaajo together.
The government is an accountability committee, her job is to handle the public interests, financial matters, employment apportunities, national wealth contribution while the head of the state has the authorities that related much with Sovereignty and that why the called him sharif the traveller so when abdiwali agreed on the kenyan invasion and sharif said no, they called sharif and make the deal with him and this is why kenya was after her men to be on the head of the state during the election.
Besides that the president has the authority of picking his pm with his personal conditions the pm must be agreed by the speaker! and between that, in order his government to get the trust as well, the president has his list of ministers, the speaker has his list of ministers!! Puntland has her list of ministers!!! This is according to 4.5!!!! Not according to the article you posted!!!!!!

[Eaglehawk]

SareedoXareedo
gob recognizes gob

I view germanic people as advanced version of beesha barakeysan, we follow same evolutionary process infect we have more income with angles and saxons then we do with other somalis with regards to our migration history history and conquest, gedo is our british isles

I made this in a other thread

If you look at jared diamond argument he explains that china was easier to unify and that left them in a static position compared to Europe where small kingdoms where warring each other and intern competing and out innovating each other.
Now when of the things jarred diamond mentions is expansion, well the people of gedo went to gedo not as liberators but as conquerors, they share that trade with Europeans, second when the marexaan and ogadeen came to jubaland they brought disease with them which they were immune to themselves but killed the natives of that time

Second thing that jared diamond talked about is guns, well in his book he actually mentions maxun gun which the marexaan in 1900 got hold off funnily enough when they were fighting the British and which accelerated their expansion
And about steel well we have not mastered it yet but with oil as our target it a matter of time before we expand into that new frontier

Here is another book that will compliment jared diamonds book which is Carroll Quigley the evolution of civilisation.
Caroll Quigley gives us 7 stages of civilisation process
1 mixture
2 Gestations
3 expansions
4 age of conflict
5 universal empire
6 decay
7 invasion
As you can see we marexaan are now in stage 4 moving towards 5 which I believe is jubaland, that why I have "order out of chaos" as my location

[DayaxJeclee]

Eagl, maanta soomaaliya Gob waxaa loo yaqaanaa Beesha shanaad: tumaal, aji, jareerweyn,midgaan iyo dadka dego xeebaha. iyagoo dhahaayaan jarmal allow naga ma maqlin.

[Eaglehawk]

Eagl, maanta soomaaliya Gob waxaa loo yaqaanaa Beesha shanaad: tumaal, aji, jareerweyn,midgaan iyo dadka dego xeebaha. iyagoo dhahaayaan jarmal allow naga ma maqlin.

SareedoXareedo saxibee ha na waalin, sacadaan ma geli karno political correct discourse
I study germans just like Meiji Japanese of the past studied europeans

dadkaas ada kala qaday and you put them into categories, to beesha barakeysan those you mentioned are somalis that need to study germans to get blueprint on how to advance their interest and avoid the mistakes of history

SareedoXareedo you seem very anti semitic, your hate for beesha barakeysan is very alarming

[DayaxJeclee]

Su'aasha ka jawaab. maxaa jarmalka ku dib dhigay. reerkaad ka dhalatay maa ka caraaroysaa.

[Eaglehawk]

Su'aasha ka jawaab. maxaa jarmalka ku dib dhigay. reerkaad ka dhalatay maa ka caraaroysaa.

you are not that bright are you

[DayaxJeclee]

Su'aasha ka jawaab. maxaa jarmalka ku dib dhigay. reerkaad ka dhalatay maa ka caraaroysaa.

you are not that bright are you

Nin Diirka ka ordaayo, Maankiisa waa mugdi. Doqon aa iftiin leehayn baa tahay ee kadaba dhareer duliga jermalka.