The President Has A Southern Focus

[Murax]

In this interview way before He became President He was asked on Al Jazeera about Somaliland. After mentioning that it will be addressed at its proper time, He mentions clearly point blank at 24:12 the focus needs to be on the central and southern regions for now. Yea this might get Him a couple of jeers as "President of the South" but I think it is a common sense approach. Places like Puntland, Somaliland, Khaatumo will be there and are stable. Prioritize Your tasks according to urgency and importance and leave the stuff that can wait for later

[original dervish]

murax

al shabaab is primarily a hawiye criminal enterprise, evolved out of the moryaanism of the 90s-2000s.
they have been pushed out of mainly non hawiye territories, such as Jubbas (mostly), Hiraan, Bay & Bakool, shabelle hoose, and Xamar/environs.
the al shabaab will soon be concentrated in their Galguduud, shabelle dhexe, and lower Mudug heartlands.
lets see if this president is gonna take the fight to these areas, and deal a knockout blow to the al shabaab.

If he starts by trying to insert his Govt into the situation in Kismayo, I think it could discredit him completely.
we know the Kenyans are influencing things on the ground, unfortunately thats the situation of Somalia at present.
The president cannot complain that the Kenyans have liberated Kismayo, at the same time Ugandans have liberated Xamar.
There is no difference, except that xamar is a hawiye controlled city and Kismayo darood.

[Murax]

murax

al shabaab is primarily a hawiye criminal enterprise, evolved out of the moryaanism of the 90s-2000s.
they have been pushed out of mainly non hawiye territories, such as Jubbas (mostly), Hiraan, Bay & Bakool, shabelle hoose, and Xamar/environs.
the al shabaab will soon be concentrated in their Galguduud, shabelle dhexe, and lower Mudug heartlands.
lets see if this president is gonna take the fight to these areas, and deal a knockout blow to the al shabaab.

If he starts by trying to insert his Govt into the situation in Kismayo, I think it could discredit him completely.
we know the Kenyans are influencing things on the ground, unfortunately thats the situation of Somalia at present.
The president cannot complain that the Kenyans have liberated Kismayo, at the same time Ugandans have liberated Xamar.
There is no difference, except that xamar is a hawiye controlled city and Kismayo darood.

Some very key things that I must point out.


-Yes Uganda liberated Xamar, yet Uganda had absolutely zero to do with the politics of that town, or who runs it
-AS is actually at its core drew their fighting force from Bay/Bakool #1, followed by MR and other clans. Hawiye actually thought AS was a group specificially designed to fight them at one point
-Kenya's role in Kismaayo/Jubooyinka will be peacekeeping and creating conditions in the city where people can sit in Kismaayo and talk. Kismayo's admin will be named and built locally, in the region, by Somalis from that region. Not in Nairobi, but in Jubbaland by the locals.

[original dervish]

When I say al shabaab is a hawiye criminal outfit, I`m refering to the masterminds behind it. The financiers etc were mostly H/G and had the monopolies wherever al shabaab ruled.

nobody can disagree that Jubbaland must be established by the local people.
your point in trying to sideline Kenya is not realistic.
they have invested heavily in defeating al shabaab in Jubbaland, and are not about to immediately disengage from the region.

[GIJaamac]

When I say al shabaab is a hawiye criminal outfit, I`m refering to the masterminds behind it. The financiers etc were mostly H/G and had the monopolies wherever al shabaab ruled.

nobody can disagree that Jubbaland must be established by the local people.
your point in trying to sideline Kenya is not realistic.
they have invested heavily in defeating al shabaab in Jubbaland, and are not about to immediately disengage from the region.

Good boy, keep advertising your superiors !

[Murax]

When I say al shabaab is a hawiye criminal outfit, I`m refering to the masterminds behind it. The financiers etc were mostly H/G and had the monopolies wherever al shabaab ruled.

nobody can disagree that Jubbaland must be established by the local people.
your point in trying to sideline Kenya is not realistic.
they have invested heavily in defeating al shabaab in Jubbaland, and are not about to immediately disengage from the region.

lool...No Somali tribe has anywhere near the finances to finance a 15,000 force with unlimited weapons, logistics and ability to fight for 3 years straight. I've heard the rumors that 'Issaq' finance AS or this tribe, and its just silly. AS get money from much wealthier sources than Somalis outside the Country.


About Kenya, the goal is they will do their peacekeeping force, get their payday and have nothing to do with making a administration for the region. As for 'investing heavily in defeating shabab' remember Uganda captured Xamar, Marka, Jowhar, Balcad yet had zero to do with making a administration for those towns. Heck even Ethiopia when they were here would not get involved in that. Kenya is a direct neighbor and this would be a serious breech of sovereignty.

[InvisibleHand]

Original Dervish,

Hizbul Islam, UIC, and Al-Itihad are/were "Hawiye" organizations. But Al-Shabab, not even close. They get much of their recruitment and representation from other southern clans.

Al-Shabab get's/got almost all of its funding from the charcoal trade as well as controlling the major ports and airports in southern Somalia.

You are most likely confusing UIC and Al Shabab, two different groups. But even then, even UIC got its funds from controlling the ports and airports, just like Al Shabab has. Not a single Somali or clan has the money nor the willingness to single handily fund Al Shabab's. If there were contributions (and of course there were), it was not very substantial at all and obviously only done to show support.

[Transformer]

Yoweri Museveni is a Hawiye lackey, this Murax has no problem with but Kenya which is set to tip the balance in favor of Darood, Murax sees as a problem do to their close ties with our OG brothers.

Ilkoyar ought to be nuked, end of discussion.

[Murax]

Ilkoyar ought to be nuked, end of discussion.

[The`Republic]

Murax, even more funnier is the kumbaya moment about Kenya being for "Darod" but Marehan should accept being sideline? Why the hell did his people pick up the first guns against Siad for? This guy doesn't even live in the real world

[abgaalKING]

Yoweri Museveni is a Hawiye lackey, this Murax has no problem with but Kenya which is set to tip the balance in favor of Darood, Murax sees as a problem do to their close ties with our OG brothers.

Ilkoyar ought to be nuked, end of discussion.

MJ Fought MSB just Because They Didnt See Their Interests In The Regime,Where was The Daroodnimo you are Preaching now at that Time? In this way,Marehan Have every Right To Side With Any Group/Clan that Favors Their Strategic Interests.They Retaliated By Sending Your Spineless Dhabacyo Back To Bari Or what Ever Desert you Crawled out During The JVA.

Marehan,Citizens, will have no obligation To be forced To share an admin With Kenya/Ethiopian Somalis,We hawiyes will Make sure of This.

[Murax]

Murax, even more funnier is the kumbaya moment about Kenya being for "Darod" but Marehan should accept being sideline? Why the hell did his people pick up the first guns against Siad for? This guy doesn't even live in the real world

I will very soon cease to discuss these matters at all because of the warped, primitive mindset of these guys. I never imagined Somalinet battles could be so powerful that it makes one escape how the world works outside of somalinet. First of all look at some of these statements: "Yoweri Musevini is a Hawiye lackey". A Country with the 8th highest ranked economy amongst 46 Sub Saharan African Countries with one of its strongest militaries is a lackey for a tribe of the world's most failed state? "Kenya is Pro Darood" War Cusub. Okay can someone explain to Me how in Nairobi You can find every ex USC Warlord to ever walk the face of the earth? If Kenya is "Pro Darood" (I cringe at how ridiculous this sounds) why wouldn't they have them arrested or tried? Somalis are Somalis to Kenyans at the end of the day, its same shid. Bottom line is nobody knows for sure why Kenya is in Somalia, however what we do know is that they have some strategic goals that goes WAY beyond helping certain Somali tribes. Sure, they might wanna see Somali politicans that cater to them and chances are it would come from a certain clan, but at the end of the day they don't care as long as they get what they want. People talk about Xassan Sh saying "Baladwayne ha tashato Kismaayo maamul baanu u samaaynayna" and somehow every Darood has to believe this miskiin guy is Caydiid II. Lets take a closer look. Who are the AMISOM troops in Baladwayne? Djibouti OUR COUNTRYMEN, fellow Somalis. Why would He feel suspicious by Djibouti troops in Baladwayne Who are pure Somalis? Now who are the troops in Kismaayo? Kenyans who We actually have territorial disputes with in addition to outstanding grievences due to the Shifta War atrocities. Snet members are so dumb, dull and crude in the way they think and analyze. Its why I'm giving up altogether discussing anything that requires any brain capacity.

[original dervish]

I don't think Marehan will opt to be used as a "hawiye action group", battering ram against Darood strategic interests in Kismayo.
All of the clans with an interest in Kismayo can have them satisfactorily resolved peacefully, without killing the "golden goose".

surely the president has more pressing priorities, other than trying to satisfy his financiers desire for Kismayo.
when is he gonna take the fight to al shabaab in the central regions, wher they operate with impunity?

[Murax]

I don't think Marehan will opt to be used as a "hawiye action group", battering ram against Darood strategic interests in Kismayo.
All of the clans with an interest in Kismayo can have them satisfactorily resolved peacefully, without killing the "golden goose".

surely the president has more pressing priorities, other than trying to satisfy his financiers desire for Kismayo.
when is he gonna take the fight to al shabaab in the central regions, wher they operate with impunity?

Where do You get Your stuff from bro?

[Substance]

I don't think Marehan will opt to be used as a "hawiye action group", battering ram against Darood strategic interests in Kismayo.
All of the clans with an interest in Kismayo can have them satisfactorily resolved peacefully, without killing the "golden goose".

surely the president has more pressing priorities, other than trying to satisfy his financiers desire for Kismayo.
when is he gonna take the fight to al shabaab in the central regions, wher they operate with impunity?

No such thing as Hawiye action group" dont fall for everything you read. And besides the outcome of Jubbaland/kismayo depends on how the darods manage its. We shouldnt blame someone else for our shortcomings. Daroods have failed to unite.