Sahnoun: SNA Brought Peace & Stablity Oct 1992

[AbdiWahab252]

As I had repeatedly said that Somalia's best chance for peace was in late 1992 before the UN intervention. The warring groups had tired out, were spent, and the conflict had settled down. The civil war was pretty much over and the best chances for a reconciliation was during that time period:

Ambassador SAhnoun's speech starts @ 10.32 mark.

The UN/US intervention stoked the Somali war for another 20 years

[alimacan]

had da US operation restore hope gone well we would not be in dis sitution , had USC let ali mahdi serve interim PM position and Issaq president for 1992-1995 and change positions wit general Aideed bein president 1995-2000 wit Ogadeen or hassan Abshir as PM this would save somalia from civil wars but shit happens and barre forces kept attackin xamar from 1991 to 1992 three x woow dis marhens just dont giveup

[AgentOfChaos]

Oct '92?! You're joking right? That was too little, too late.

[original dervish]

As soon as the USC had routed the Govt forces and returned to Xamar, an orgy of murder, looting, rape against civilians began.
That was the end of Somalia as we knew it.

Somalis will never again put their heads on the chopping block again.
Thats what autonomy is all about...securing our futures.

[The_Emperior5]

The best way for Somali the republic in 1991 was to adopt President siilaanyos power sharing formula between north and south usc and snm Caydiid for president the first 8 years. Abdiraxmaan tuur as Prime Minister. Mogadisho as the capital. The Parliamentary seat in Hargeyasa the government seat in Xamar.. The speaker of Parliament Cumar jees.

[gurey25]

The best way for Somali the republic in 1991 was to adopt President siilaanyos power sharing formula between north and south usc and snm Caydiid for president the first 8 years. Abdiraxmaan tuur as Prime Minister. Mogadisho as the capital. The Parliamentary seat in Hargeyasa the government seat in Xamar.. The speaker of Parliament Cumar jees.

it didnt work because the USC broke apart, noone so that comming.
and Aideed was hard headed and would not listen to reason..
the SPM was more reasonable and were onboard.

the problem lay with aideed and alimahdis factions.

[guhad122]

I don't know how the power sharing deal was drawn and what the terms of the agreement were but all I know is that at that time when the three signed the deal, SPM was the strongest group of all of them. Remember USC only existed on paper in mid 1989. SNM was completely defeated and if weren't the thousands of Jees troops changing sides, the remnants of SNM would have surrendered.
You have to remember that SPM-Jubooyinka drove Siyad Barre out of Jubooyinka by late 1989. They captured Balidogle in December of 1989. I can bring articles on that. In fact they captured 5 intact fighter jets. Then all the sudden, SPM got a big boost when the entire 26th division of Somali military changed sides and came to Bakool from W/Galbeed.

What happened next is what led to the destruction of an an entire state. The wild and uncontrolled USC militias unleashed on unsuspecting OG fighters in Afgooye and Ceelasha Biyaha. They were attacked from all sides. Jees made a big mistake and let these young fighters down by not preparing them for the unexpected. The closest supplies for these guys were to come from Baydhabo and the supply lines were cut off. As of today, there is a patch of land between Ceelasha Biyaha and Afgooye that is known asLafo Ogaadeen.

These animals attacked the same people who freed them. Doqoni Abaal maleh walee

[original dervish]

If you deal with the devil...you`d better watch your back

[guhad122]

Here is Jees himself talking about that; start at 1:30

He is blaming the Manifesto Group but the reality is the criminal Caydiid was supposed to be the leader of the group and therefore was responsible in their actions. The leader is responsible the actions of his people.

[AbdiWahab252]

Guhaad,

Using your logic, Axmed Cumar Jees would be held liable for the Kenyan Aden Gabyow's actions ?

[original dervish]

Guhad

Why was jess allied with the USC in Kismayo, if they had massacred his people?

[grandpakhalif]

Guhaad,

Using your logic, Axmed Cumar Jees would be held liable for the Kenyan Aden Gabyow's actions ?

Aden Gabyow was no Kenyan he was the Somali Defence Minister for quite a bit, there are two types of Ogadeens: The Jeesuit Doqons and the Gabyowans and indeed the Gabyowans were an honourable force indeed.

[AbdiWahab252]

GrandpaKhalif,

Gabyow was an officer in the Kenyan military before running away to Somalia. Look it up. He was Ras Kenyatti

[Sagaashan]

after botched attempts at revising historical context through keydmedia, our hg ragtag with 3 presidency in a slum is left with searching the web for a suitable narrative. keep faith, there will never be a strong state to prosecute the wars of yesterday, and Xamar will never be the same with federalism.

[alimacan]

GrandpaKhalif,

Gabyow was an officer in the Kenyan military before running away to Somalia. Look it up. He was Ras Kenyatti

he left kenya rifle association at da age of 18 he was born n rised in kenya then went to somalia around late 1950s but hes a kenyan citizen