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Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:07 pm
by ElfRuler
I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can see the sound logic behind my argument.
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you can pull the "straw man accusation" out of your behind.
Don't remember anyone solely blaming him for the atrocities committed by those that ousted him. However, its pure stupidity to pretend as if the guy wasn't a key factor in the causation of the civil war.
You, like the rest of the Dictator worshippers are only trying to sugar-coat his role in the history that unfolded the past 22 yrs.
Good-Day.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:09 pm
by skywalker25
Do you understand the concept of a straw man argument?
When have I ever mentioned democracy? When have I ever intimated that dictatorships "create" democracies (whatever the hell that means)?
As I've said quite a few times now, I simply made the observation that blaming a guy who was overthrown for the mistakes of the people who overthrew him is as ridiculous as blaming Louis XVI for the Reign of Terror, Haile Selassie for the Red Terror, Tsar Nicholas for the gulags and purges of Stalin, Hindenburg and Schleicher for the holocaust, etc. and that Somalia's unique status as the world's only failed state, despite the many hundreds of dictators, oppressors, and tyrants worse than MSB, speaks to the colossal, monumental failure of his "successors".
I think anyone with even a modicum of intelligence can see the sound logic behind my argument.
Boli Qaran kid. Somalia before the colonials was never ever a single country with one leader. No singal uniting instituition had ever existed. Comparing Somalia to Russia/France/Ethiopia or anyother country is stupid. These country already had the fabric of a nation and removing a dictator would not mean the implosion of the state. Incomparison Somalia did not have the roots long enough to withstand the destruction and devisive imput of your uncle. Its like comparing a newly planted tree to a big oak tree and saying ''they are both trees, why does one withstand the strong wind and not the other''.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:10 pm
by Tanker
When you lost the battle you are fleeing like a true coward rat
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:11 pm
by AgentOfChaos
ElfRuler: See? It is futile to debate in Snet, but at least you tried, and for that you have my respect.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:11 pm
by hargaysaay
It was caydid vs cali mahdi war that destroyed the country
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:12 pm
by ElfRuler
When you lost the battle you are fleeing like a true coward rat
I can't be bothered to stay in the sewer with a hoodrat.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:12 pm
by Adali
People rebelled against the MSB regime for no reason apparently, to say otherwise would be crazy, cause we all know MSB was a saint.
where do you get this from ? no one in this dunya is perfect.
you are confused and misinformed, how about you sit this one out mate.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:14 pm
by AgentOfChaos
People rebelled against the MSB regime for no reason apparently, to say otherwise would be crazy, cause we all know MSB was a saint.
where do you get this from ? no one in this dunya is perfect.
you are confused and misinformed, how about you sit this one out mate.
[sarcasm]My post[/sarcasm]
Take your time.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:16 pm
by ElfRuler
ElfRuler: See? It is futile to debate in Snet, but at least you tried, and for that you have my respect.
We should dance out of this thread, before the rest of the cult-minded kids come.....
Hope you're doing good.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:18 pm
by AgentOfChaos
ElfRuler: See? It is futile to debate in Snet, but at least you tried, and for that you have my respect.
We should dance out of this thread, before the rest of the cult-minded kids come.....
Hope you're doing good.
Agreed, lets roll.
I'm doing good abaayo.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:19 pm
by Eaglehawk
this is what you get when you decolonize, the niggger natives still blame you for their short comings
this is what you get when you go against your ulil amri, allah will punish you for causing fitna in the land
look at the idoor spreading their legs like dhiiilo when ever siyaad barre is mentioned
idoorow remember just like turkey with regards to Armenia, we will never apologize or acknowledge your baseless unfound grievances
I speak for most somalis when I say; the somali people have moved on from the blame game, we are entering a new era of gradual rise and permenent peace
blame game is for those that lost out on the civil war and who want to milk the narritieve of dictotorial brutal fagash that made our woman enter beauty pageant
the haters are not going to hold us back with their uqdad, we are sovereign state on the move
It's too easy to criticize a man when he's out of favour, and to make him shoulder the blame for everybody else's mistakes.”
― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Unintelligent people always look for a scapegoat.
Ernest Bevin
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:21 pm
by hydrogen
Observations:
Based, Adali, Tanker making logical points.
Cumar, ElfRuler, AgentofChoas using atheist tactics by being rhetorical and annoying in order to achieve argumentative authority despite the transparency of their point.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:24 pm
by Based
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't mean you can pull the "straw man accusation" out of your behind.
Don't remember anyone solely blaming him for the atrocities committed by those that ousted him. However, its pure stupidity to pretend as if the guy wasn't a key factor in the causation of the civil war.
You, like the rest of the Dictator worshippers are only trying to sugar-coat his role in the history that unfolded the past 22 yrs.
Good-Day.
It's not an accusation, it's called calling you out for your obvious fallacious arguments.
Once again, I have no problem with the fact that Siad Barre was overthrown. However, I do have a problem with the disastrous outcome following his overthrowal and an apparent willingness on your part to place the failure of the rebels to fill the vacuum of power on the "power" himself. Every single country on the face of the earth and every single rebellion that overthrew a dictator was able to fill the vacuum of power and reestablish some form of sovereignty and statehood, save for one.
I think that speaks volumes on the epic failure of the opposition.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:27 pm
by Adali
their attempt to justify the murdering of hundred of thousands if not millions of innocent Somalis over the past 22 years since 1991 ended in failure, they just exposed their true colours, the sad thing is that they want to implicate SYL in their arguments, as if we cannot appreciate SYL along with Siyaad Barre(aun) both with their cons/pros. This Elfruler character is truly sickening, she is making excuses for criminals who murdered and raped Somalis for the past 22 years.
Re: Somalis under and after Siyad Barres rule pictures
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2013 4:28 pm
by Based
Boli Qaran kid. Somalia before the colonials was never ever a single country with one leader. No singal uniting instituition had ever existed. Comparing Somalia to Russia/France/Ethiopia or anyother country is stupid. These country already had the fabric of a nation and removing a dictator would not mean the implosion of the state. Incomparison Somalia did not have the roots long enough to withstand the destruction and devisive imput of your uncle. Its like comparing a newly planted tree to a big oak tree and saying ''they are both trees, why does one withstand the strong wind and not the other''.
Uganda.
Good day.