Instead of clan based federalism

[ina aadan]

Meta.

Ninku waa siyaasi siyaasada somaliya somnetka buuna ka bartaa.

[quark]

Secondly, as much as every Somali is more or less tribalist to some degree, trust me there is a deep part of them that hates tribalism and nobody wants to see a system of government in place that is dictated by tribalism. So even though people are tribalists and advocating for their qabiil getting the lions share of everything, nobody wants to consider giving a gobol to every qabiil because we would all be the official bonifide crazies of Africa

True, Somalis know its jahilnimo yet we still cant shake it off its even worse now

[James Dahl]

It's not a race to see who has the most Gobols

Why not just give every clan their own Gobol, and every subclan their own Degmo, why are we fighting the clan system, why don't we just use the clan system to make administration easier instead of fighting it tooth and nail

First of all, why and how did you get into Somali politics/history/every damn thing to do with Somalis if you are a Canadian cadaan guy. Im just curious

Secondly, as much as every Somali is more or less tribalist to some degree, trust me there is a deep part of them that hates tribalism and nobody wants to see a system of government in place that is dictated by tribalism. So even though people are tribalists and advocating for their qabiil getting the lions share of everything, nobody wants to consider giving a gobol to every qabiil because we would all be the official bonifide crazies of Africa

It's a hobby I guess, Reer Samaale iyo Saabe is endlessly fascinating to me.

The only initiatives that ever seem to actually work in Somalia are based on a mixture of clan loyalty, Islamic duty and national pride. Somalis have all three in abundance, but one isn't stronger than any other, you need all three for things to work. A system of government has to be Xalaal, has to work within the clan system, and yet also simultaneously be about Somalinimo for it to actually work, IMHO.

[STARKAST]

JD - The diaspora does not dictate Somali politics let alone region building ! By the way, you're region interpretation is also misguided and absurd for reasons that are self-evident ! Don't mind the nonentities keep at it ! but remember this is T.I.A

[Titanium]

It won't work.

Somaliland will get it's recognition.

Puntland will keep its autonomy or go claim independence if they choose.

"Jubaland" can go and become the 9th Kenyan province since that is what they wish.

The rest will be part of Somalia under central rule. Central Somalia was the real Somalia anyways. They never ran away flying new flags. They never tried to intimidate the weak central government. They are the ones who always flown the Somali flag and held their head up high even when they had nothing to be proud about. All their suffering never made them ever consider betraying Somalia.

Inshallah this plan comes to fruition

[The_Patriot]

Central Somalia is the curse of Somalia, you have profited from the woes of Somalia, leeches who brought about death , destruction and plunder to most of Somalia. Yet they have the nerve to potray themselves as nation builders bloody anarchists.

[Titanium]

Never has Central Somalia dared to fly another flag or have their own inhabitants openly call to be annexed by their historical enemies.

They may kill, plunder and destroy at a time of war but they don't dare betray their nation.

[ina aadan]

Titanium

Xagee calan kale laga taagay marka?

[Talo alle udaa]

james Dahl, as long as your a historian were all good. Just don't join foreign goverment to spy on Somalis

[quark]

They may kill, plunder and destroy at a time of war but they don't dare betray their nation.

[The_Patriot]

What flag? central Somalia has never been known to fight for Somalia independence during colonialism infact majority were collaborators.

Caydiid went to Addis Ababa just to come back and use Ethiopian weapons to topple the Somali govt.

Ahlu suufi wal quburin were trainned by Ethiopians and still are supported by them.

So do you think wearing a sheep clothing will make you a sheep?
Sheeko kunacdhey. What does a mere flag represent when you have been known to trample on the Somali honor,dignity and existance.

[KartiHaween]

Never has Central Somalia dared to fly another flag or have their own inhabitants openly call to be annexed by their historical enemies.

They may kill, plunder and destroy at a time of war but they don't dare betray their nation.

At a time of war? there is stil killing, plundering, looting, and raping women at gun point and then jailing them. At a time of war my backside. Leaving a people who refuse to act like a civilised human beings isn't treachery. To most normal human beings, and especially to those who proclaim to be muslim, oppression and injustice is far worse then flying another piece of clothe. But you are not human or normal so not flying another flag is far better to you then oppressing the people who make up your nation. While their are sick people like you in the somali society who over look the suffering of others, Somalia will never ever heal and Allah(swt) will never shower his blessings upon that hellhole.

[STARKAST]

It won't work.

Somaliland will get it's recognition. God willing never !

Puntland will keep its autonomy or go claim independence if they choose. God willing never !

"Jubaland" can go and become the 9th Kenyan province since that is what they wish. Dont' joke around - Bantus are not Somali

The rest will be part of Somalia under central rule. Central Somalia was the real Somalia anyways. They never ran away flying new flags. They never tried to intimidate the weak central government. They are the ones who always flown the Somali flag and held their head up high even when they had nothing to be proud about. All their suffering never made them ever consider betraying Somalia. - However no one betrayed anyone

[The_Patriot]

Never has Central Somalia dared to fly another flag or have their own inhabitants openly call to be annexed by their historical enemies.

They may kill, plunder and destroy at a time of war but they don't dare betray their nation.

At a time of war? there is stil killing, plundering, looting, and raping women at gun point and then jailing them. At a time of war my backside. Leaving a people who refuse to act like a civilised human beings isn't treachery. To most normal human beings, and especially to those who proclaim to be muslim, oppression and injustice is far worse then flying another piece of clothe. But you are not human or normal so not flying another flag is far better to you then oppressing the people who make up your nation. While their are sick people like you in the somali society who over look the suffering of others, Somalia will never ever heal and Allah(swt) will never shower his blessings upon that hellhole.

[GeoSeven]

What flag? central Somalia has never been known to fight for Somalia independence during colonialism infact majority were collaborators.

Who was collaborating with foreigners? A bit of history you seem to be missing, have a read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Hassan_Barsane for you

Caydiid went to Addis Ababa just to come back and use Ethiopian weapons to topple the Somali govt.

Every rebel group did the same thing. Starting with the SSDF who were the first to rebel

Ahlu suufi wal quburin were trainned by Ethiopians and still are supported by them.

Isn't Ras Kibaki trained and supported by Kenya as well? At least Ahlu Sunnah is disbanding to join the government.

So do you think wearing a sheep clothing will make you a sheep?
Sheeko kunacdhey. What does a mere flag represent when you have been known to trample on the Somali honor,dignity and existance.

Every Somali group trambled on Somali honor,dignity and existance, why are you singling out one group?