Instead of clan based federalism

[The_Patriot]

What flag? central Somalia has never been known to fight for Somalia independence during colonialism infact majority were collaborators.

Who was collaborating with foreigners? A bit of history you seem to be missing, have a read. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Hassan_Barsane for you

Caydiid went to Addis Ababa just to come back and use Ethiopian weapons to topple the Somali govt.

Every rebel group did the same thing. Starting with the SSDF who were the first to rebel

Ahlu suufi wal quburin were trainned by Ethiopians and still are supported by them.

Isn't Ras Kibaki trained and supported by Kenya as well? At least Ahlu Sunnah is disbanding to join the government.

So do you think wearing a sheep clothing will make you a sheep?
Sheeko kunacdhey. What does a mere flag represent when you have been known to trample on the Somali honor,dignity and existance.

Every Somali group trambled on Somali honor,dignity and existance, why are you singling out one group?

Reer mudug are the biggest culprits and there is no way you can try to look for scape goats to cover their evil act let alone act like Saints who throw stones at other folks houses while yours is made of glass.
In short Central Somalia can shove their nationalism up their @sses.

[Titanium]

First of all, all clans contributed to killing and raping so no point of trying to smear one clan. Forget about a clan: we had a government doing this very thing.

Secondly, yes there are some violence that occur in Central Somalia but that happens everywhere in fake Somalia. Rapes and murder happen north, central and south. I can easily pull up dozens of articles indicating this.

Thirdly, central Somalia is known for its patriotism. They stupidly went to war with Ethiopia to try and free their fellow Somalis and had have died. They died in vain. Today, we can see dozens of YouTube videos of people partying with the Ethiopian flag on the very soil that is wet with Somali blood. Today, we have people here on this very forum calling to be part of Kenya. We have seen a President of an autonomous state calling certain Somalis "Ethiopians" and deport them in their hundreds back to their "country of origin". We even see people on this forum laughing and showing videos of Liyuu police and Ethiopian troops dancing over the bodies of Somalis that are from a different clan of theirs.

We know who the real Somali patriots are.

Inshallah all those who want nothing to do with Somalia will be given independence. Inshallah. Ameen. Ameen.

[The_Patriot]

If Central Somalia is nuked I guess Somalia will return back to normalcy.

[Murax]

James Dahl,

You always seem to look at somethings from a certain 'prism'.



Bottom line is what You are advocating for is doing the opposite of what You are talking about. Why reward simpletons who do not have the political maturity and vision to broker a deal with their neighbor regions to form a Federal State? The reason the constitution says TWO OR MORE regions is to not enable and empower clan minded, backward, primitive folks who cannot think beyond clan while at the same time rewarding regions, clans who put their differences aside, compromise, and agree to become a Federal State.


Ximaan iyo Xeeb
Galmudug
Ahlu Sunnah


All sharing 1 region and a half will no longer be tolerated. Either they will all join into a State, join Puntland or simply be Governed from Mogadishu. This is a Constitutional Issue not a tribal or personal one.

[Titanium]

If Central Somalia is nuked I guess Somalia will return back to normalcy.

But there will be no Somalia

We will have two new countries and a 9th Kenyan province.

The only people who are patriotic within your kin are Marexaan. I must not put them in your group or it would be a huge injustice. Everyone else are unpatriotic lackeys.

[ina aadan]

Wararka imaanaya gobolka Galguduud ayaa sheegaaya in ciidamada Itoobiya iyo kuwa Ahlu Sunna Waljamaaca ay gudaha u galeen degmada Ceelbuur oo aheyd saldhigga ugu weyn Al-shabaab ee gobolada dhexe ee dalka Soomaaliya, ka dib markii ay si iskood ah uga baxeen magaalada maalin ka hor intii aysan ciidamada Itoobiya halkaasi gaarin.
Sida warku sheegayo ciidamada Itoobiya ee qabsaday magaalada Ceel-buur ayaa duleedka iyo gudaha magaaladaasi ka sameystay fariisimo ciidan, waxaana gudaha magaalada galay ciidamo ka tirsan kuwa Ahlu Sunna oo uu horkacayey Guddoomiyaha Guddiga fulinta Sheekh Maxamed Yuusuf Xeefow oo sheegay inaysan wax dagaal ah kala kulmin degmada Ceel-buur markii ay la wareegayeen.
“Ciidamada Ahlu Sunna oo garabsanaya kuwa Itoobiya waxaa u suuragashay inay la wareegeen iyaga oo aysan wax xabad ah ku soo dhicin degmada Ceelbuur, magaalada waxaan dooneynaa inaan u sameyno maamul ka imaanaya dadka deegaanka, isla markaasna waxaan sameyn doonaa kormeero joogto ah” ayuu yiri Sheekh Xeefow oo intaasi ku daray inay waxba kama jiraan tahay in deegaanadii ay soo dhaafeen dib ay ula wareegeen ciidamada Al-shabaab, isagoo xusay in ciidamadoodu ay socon doonaan inta ay Galgaduud oo dhan ka saarayaan sida uu yiri Al-shabaab.
Sidoo kale Sheekh Xeefow waxa uu sheegay in ciidamo ka tirsan kuwa Ahlu Sunna oo taageero ka helaya kuwa Itoobiya ay la wareegeen degmada Maxaxaas ee gobolka Hiiran, wuxuuna intaasi ku daray inaysan joojin doonin dagalka inta ay Al-shabaab ka saarayaan sida uu yiri Hiiraan iyo Galgaduud oo dhan, isagoo sheegay in Al-shabaab ay haatan Galgaduud oo dhan ay uga suganyihiin Ceel-dheer iyo Galhareeri sida uu yiri.

[Xiis1928]

It won't work.

Somaliland will get it's recognition.

Puntland will keep its autonomy or go claim independence if they choose.

"Jubaland" can go and become the 9th Kenyan province since that is what they wish.

The rest will be part of Somalia under central rule. Central Somalia was the real Somalia anyways. They never ran away flying new flags. They never tried to intimidate the weak central government. They are the ones who always flown the Somali flag and held their head up high even when they had nothing to be proud about. All their suffering never made them ever consider betraying Somalia.

Inshallah this plan comes to fruition

Amiin

[KartiHaween]

First of all, all clans contributed to killing and raping so no point of trying to smear one clan. Forget about a clan: we had a government doing this very thing.

Secondly, yes there are some violence that occur in Central Somalia but that happens everywhere in fake Somalia. Rapes and murder happen north, central and south. I can easily pull up dozens of articles indicating this.

Thirdly, central Somalia is known for its patriotism. They stupidly went to war with Ethiopia to try and free their fellow Somalis and had have died. They died in vain. Today, we can see dozens of YouTube videos of people partying with the Ethiopian flag on the very soil that is wet with Somali blood. Today, we have people here on this very forum calling to be part of Kenya. We have seen a President of an autonomous state calling certain Somalis "Ethiopians" and deport them in their hundreds back to their "country of origin". We even see people on this forum laughing and showing videos of Liyuu police and Ethiopian troops dancing over the bodies of Somalis that are from a different clan of theirs.

We know who the real Somali patriots are.

Inshallah all those who want nothing to do with Somalia will be given independence. Inshallah. Ameen. Ameen.

In sha Allah Allah(swt) will give us independence from that hellhole.

[Xiis1928]

Titanium, the reason the Marexaan are loyal to Xamar is because they have no place to go. I like you have predicated that Jubaland will be another Kenyan province.

[sahal80]

james dahl is a good historian, his forum abtirsi.com is well-known and i use to read it since 2010
He has done alot for the somali culture and history and when you dont know a subsubclan you just need to type its abtirsi.com
i should have done alot of somali interviews and fiction books if i was him.
the polish man who wrote the emperor about haile selassie has said when i heard about his little dog lulu i knew a got a book.
James has alot of untold tales, figures and he can.

[James Dahl]

James Dahl,

You always seem to look at somethings from a certain 'prism'.



Bottom line is what You are advocating for is doing the opposite of what You are talking about. Why reward simpletons who do not have the political maturity and vision to broker a deal with their neighbor regions to form a Federal State? The reason the constitution says TWO OR MORE regions is to not enable and empower clan minded, backward, primitive folks who cannot think beyond clan while at the same time rewarding regions, clans who put their differences aside, compromise, and agree to become a Federal State.


Ximaan iyo Xeeb
Galmudug
Ahlu Sunnah


All sharing 1 region and a half will no longer be tolerated. Either they will all join into a State, join Puntland or simply be Governed from Mogadishu. This is a Constitutional Issue not a tribal or personal one.

Murax,
I agree with you man, but I'm not advocating the above map be of states, but rather just more regions like the current Gobols, not more Mamuul Gobols. The reason Puntland succeeded to get more regions and Galmudug did not is the Puntland regions already align closely with Majerteen subclans. All I am advocating is make the situation in the central regions more like Puntland, give them a chance.

[The`Republic]

The agreed upon political dispensation in the country has agreed on federalism with two or more of the original 18 regions being the requirement to fulfil a state.

Discussing anything else is a waste of time.