PM's sets his policy for Jubbaland regions

[SultanOrder]

In line with the government's "grand stabilization of southern Somalia" plan, administrations set up in Galgaduud, Hiiraan, Baidoa, Marka, he has proposed the following:

Qodobada ay Dowlada soo bandhigtay.

1- In Shir weynaha Maamul usameynta Jubboyinka iyo Gedo lo badalo Shirweyne Dib u heshiisiin oo ay ka qayb galan Beelaha Wada daga Jubboyinka iyo Gedo .
2- In Hogaaminta Shirweynaha lo madax baneeyo Dowlada Fadaralka Somalia
3-In aan dib danbe lo maqlin Magaca Raskambooni oo ay ku dhex milmaan Maamulka Dowlada.
4-In Ciidamada ku sugan Gobolada Jubboyinka la isku dhafo Xaquuqdoodana ay Dowlada ka helaan.
5-In dhamaadka Shirweynaha dib u heshisiinta u ka soo baxo Maamul KMG ah oo shaqaynaya 6 bilood.
6-In Dhaqaalaha ka soo baxaa Dakada iyo Garoonka Diyaaradaha ee Kismaayo lagu wareejiyo Wasaaradihii ku shuqulka laha.
7-In 6 bilood ka dib marki la xoreeyo deeganada gacanta ugu jira Al-Shabaab la dhiso Maamul Goboleed dastuurka waafaqsan

1. The current Jubbaland conference be turned into one of reconciliation.
2. All state building initiatives to be lead by the Federal Government.
3. RasKambooni and any other "military factions" be integrated into the Federal Government Administrations/Armed forces.
4. Cessation of all objections about the movement of Government troops.
5. A 6-month administration to be born from the reconciliation conference
6. The administration of sea/airports be turned over to the Federal Govvernment
7. A constitutional Regional State created after a 6-month period, when the region is rid of Al Shabab.

The Prime Minister is expected to remain in Kismaayo for the remainder of the week. There has been no progress between the two sides that met today, but each has set up a committee to working out their differences. In the meantime the Prime Minister is expected to have meetings with the local community of Kismaayo.

[original dervish]

No more delays and stalling tactics by a hostile Govt will be countenanced.
If the Govt are unwilling to play a positive role in J/Land formation, they must be circumvented.

All issues relating to national infrastructure, security forces and revenues must be put on hold until J/Land is established.
Thereafter, all discussions pertaining to the aforementioned will be addressed according to the Federal constitution, ie regional state=federal Govt.

[Talo alle udaa]

I don't believe they have the power to stop this Jubaland process.

It will be sad day when the so-called government's actions will inevitably lead to more Somali refugees. You would think a feeble government with a tribal war raging in Marka, and Ethiopians pulling out of Baidoa would do what it can not to instigate more tribal wars. But Alas, the Somalis have a tenacity of dismantling things not building them.

[Nomand]

the PM is wrong on this, there is no war between ogadeen and marehan so there is nothing to reconciliate about.

and the federal goverment will not control the seaport or airport. mogadishu is a hawiye city darod are not welcome there and don't have any power so kismaayo is our mogadishu.

the other thing is he came with the 40 qabils live in jubbaland crap there are not even 40 qabils in somalia and how come those 40 qabils are not represented in the capital of somalia? only 1 qabil has the whole capital on lock.

[Titanium]

Muqdisho is where the national government is headquartered.

Muqdisho wouldn't own the port or airport, the national government would.

[Talo alle udaa]

the PM is wrong on this, there is no war between ogadeen and marehan so there is nothing to reconciliate about.

and the federal goverment will not control the seaport or airport. mogadishu is a hawiye city darod are not welcome there and don't have any power so kismaayo is our mogadishu.

the other thing is he came with the 40 qabils live in jubbaland crap there are not even 40 qabils in somalia and how come those 40 qabils are not represented in the capital of somalia? only 1 qabil has the whole capital on lock.

Actually this is what the good professor (Ghandi) said. He actually acknowledge there are multitudes of different tribes who live in the region which is precisely why the constituencies were divided by district. This idea that somehow someone is not represented is propaganda. The steady hands of Prof. Ghandi saw that each region get an equal number of reps. You have more than 500 elders brought together, cost endless amount of money and time and the only thing this government can come up is to blow it all up and risk more instability and uncertainty. This is absolute madness.

If the government is worried that some minor tribes will not be represented then why not preside over the process, evaluate the constituencies, and point out who is left out and who has more than their fair share. You would thing this would not be too difficult of a task.

[original dervish]

After they were caught selling Govt weapons to the Shabaab, I wouldn`t trust this hagite Govt with a used tooth pick.
All revenues generated in J/Land will go towards the alleviation of poverty, disease and unemployment.
Not a single penny will go to Xamar to line the pockets of a hag/cultists pockets.

This Govt couldn`t give a monkey`s about "minor" tribes,
They`ve just empowered ceyr moryaans to rampage through Marka.

[Nomand]

ghandi and ducaale are both useless hotel presidents.

[metamorphosis]

No. three does not say RK will be integrated into the federal army it says RK should never be heard of as in....they should cease to be. Lmao! This list sounds like something few snetters came up with. Moreover is the pm who is traveling on behalf of the federal gov traveling as a messenger because he seems to be delivering a long list of dos and donts to every region. That only leads to one explanation...and that is the pm is being spoon fed and he is being told exactly what to do and say. For once the good felllow should exercise his power and use his intellect to influence change on the ground.

The federal government should initiate dialogues and political discourses instead of imposing their will on natives without consulting with them and without giving them the time and allowing them to present their side of the story. This isnt the way democracy works.

I think the president and his entire team should be introduced to basic concepts on democracy and federalism because they dont have the slightest idea.

[SultanOrder]

Talo, I think very much they have the power to stop this Jubbaland conference, because honestly it isn't say much. The whole conference is not based on real legitimacy but on a "perceived legitimacy". Let's say you convene a bunch of odayaal, and "aqoonyaal", you say that they represent the people of this region, how therefore they can make decisions for those people. The only social construct that is being relied upon here is one of "clan" affiliation thereby resulting in some kind of legitimacy. But what, what is the end result? Can these odayaal and aqoonyaal bring any thing worthwhile to the table? Can they bring land, soldiers, people? Now you may say it worked well for the government, so why not now? Well the government had the whole of IC, plus 18,000 amisom troops, to back up their claims. What does Jubbaland have? A few RasKambooni troops? Kenya who now more than ever is towing the line?

If this Jubbaland conference continues to proceed, it will not materlize any tangible change on the ground. The lands still controlled by Alshabab are still controlled by Alshabab, Gedo is still controlled by it's Gudoomiyes and Governor. All of Jubbada Dhexe is in the hands of Alshabab, almost all of Jubbada hoose except the cities of Kismaayo, Afmadow, and Badhaade, but nothing can be said about the outskirts and rural areas.

That is the first folly of this Jubbaland conference. Second is what happens if Jubbada Dhexe falls in the Government hands and they simply put an administration without any input from the "jubbaland president", and that administation says we don't recognize Jubbaland. Same thing with Gedo governors, and mayors, they say we don't recognize the results of the Jubbaland conference. And more to the point, the other districts of Jubbada hoose Jamaame, and Xagar fall to the government, and they set up administrations for them as well. By what authority can any maamul set up by this conference extend their influence or power, when the govt flat out rejects it? Are they going to fight the govt?

The only legitimacy to be derived now is from the government, like it or not. They will simply outgun you sooner or later. And how can you fight them when amisom is right there? For these reasons and more, that is why it has been so crucial to obtain legitimacy from the Federal Government. Without it, it is doomed.

[SultanOrder]

Metamorphises, that is right, RasKambooni needs to go extinct, and cease to exist. Those soldiers that wish to continue to serve, will be integrated into the SNA, instead of being an armed group. The politicians, if not reappointed by the government through some deal, will need to re-seek positions through elections. Their is no need for Jabhads and armed groups outside of the government. No country that wishes to be sovereign would accept that.

[SultanOrder]

the PM is wrong on this, there is no war between ogadeen and marehan so there is nothing to reconciliate about.

and the federal goverment will not control the seaport or airport. mogadishu is a hawiye city darod are not welcome there and don't have any power so kismaayo is our mogadishu.

the other thing is he came with the 40 qabils live in jubbaland crap there are not even 40 qabils in somalia and how come those 40 qabils are not represented in the capital of somalia? only 1 qabil has the whole capital on lock.

This mentality that it is just Ogaden and Marexaan in the Jubbas needs to stop, it is a very diverse region. There are over 30 clans that live in just Kismaayo, imagine places in Jubbada dhexe.

The federal government controls the airport and port of xamar, while the banaadir administration only gets about 15% of the revenue. The government will soon start to receive revenue from Bosaaso, as they receive it from Merca as well. There is no reason Kismaayo should be exempt from this either. After all, do you know how the revenue from Kismaayo port is being spent?

[Murax]

People like Metamorphis are such caaqs who do not even have rudimentery understanding of how Government works. The Prime Minister is the Head of Government the President Head of State. The Prime Minister's job is domestic and He's firmly incharge in that regard, and it is the PM who represents His Government who went out and travelled throughout the Country, Shabelle Hoose, Hiiraan, Galgaguud/Mudug, Puntland, brining all of them to the fold of the Government. Now it is none other then Him leading this delegation to kismaayo, and like I said setting things in order. No more Swahili Translating Jabhads like Raskambooni and the like is something the Prime Minister believes in, in addition to stripping Kenya of their influence and bringing the Somali Government to the forefront. You guys cry all You want.

[metamorphosis]

Murax the only caaq here is you who cant make a fair point without adding personal jabs envoked by emotions.

I never said the pm's position was feeble. He holds a powerful positon but he isnt exercising his powers which makes him powerless. Do you deem it coincidence that the president has altogether stopped to speak on all matters that remotely invlove jubaland? He learned his from his first couple slippery mistakes and has since then decided to use and speak through the pm. He knows saying anything regarding the project will complicate matters for him and that is why he is quiet and using the pm instead.

Clearly the conditions that the pm brought to kismaayo were mugadisho based agendas. They were instructions devised by the president and the pm is there to excute the orders from his boss.

The way they are approaching the situation is completely self destructive because demanding and setting conditions when you cant go out of villa somalia without wearing a bulletproof vest is just rediculous.

Delivery boy shirdoon will deliver a sad news to his boss that the mission has failed.

[original dervish]

Somali "Govt forces" aka moryaan couldn`t catch a cold let alone Jubbada Dhexe. Rape and pillage is their modus operandi.
Puntland will not be giving any of their peoples revenue to line the pockets of HAG officials in Xamar.
To suggest otherwise is beyond delusion. This isn't 1990.

Hassan Sheikh has little to no power in the regions, he is in no position to demand anything from anybody.
He himself is a beggar and pleader extraordinaire, sending letters to all and sundry pleading for help.

Once J/Land is established it will integrate all fighters into a new security apparatus.
Revenues from the port and airport will be used locally.
Within 12 months J/Land will be like p/l, fully autonomous.