sheekh ahmed madoobe : I'm going to xamar

[Talo alle udaa]

Puntland has little to no presentation in Jubalaand. Of course certain folks would like people to reduce the Jubalaand issue to Puntland vs. Xamar Govt

The reality is Aw-libax, Fartaag were part of an original six members that includes Ghandi that were working on some form of state for the Jubba region. The Harti group led by Col. Darwiish, were added on much later. This is all the representation members tied to puntland have in the Jubalaand initiative.

Faroole's role is limited to the media war Puntland is waging against Culusow for a number of things of which Jubalaand happens to be part of.

In the media [mainly mogadishu media] it seems Puntland is playing a big role because certain groups want to project such a narrative to woe certain tribes to their side.

Finally the issue of Jubalaand is bigger than Madoobe or a single individual.

[sahal80]

It was more like Sheikh Sharif trying to bring in the Macalin dude to strengthen his number as he brought him along in the London conference though he was not in the Garowe accords. Aw-Libax was invited because at the time Gedo was the scene of the most action with Alshabab outside of Mogadishu area, so southern Ahlul Sunnah was the logical choice to have a North(Puntland), Central (Government), and South (ASWJ). Sheikh Sharif got rejected when he tried to do the samething he did in London in Nairobi.

Maybe you right as you know him. I only heard about him during the conference. I don't read shacabkamedia maybe once a month so the day ahmed madoobe was elected I was reading it and they said this stuff about aw libaax that faroole added him in the road map and saxiixayaasha. If I see it again I will show you. Because he was with faroole in nairobi lately with ahmed madoobe I started believing it and maybe most people do. The point was about murax blaming the govt and kenya when there are other stronger factors like this inqilaab inside the clan. Kenya can't do shyt but when aw libaax and fartaag, many gedo delegates...are part of them, it says the majority of the clan want this.

[RovingMadness]

It was more like Sheikh Sharif trying to bring in the Macalin dude to strengthen his number as he brought him along in the London conference though he was not in the Garowe accords. Aw-Libax was invited because at the time Gedo was the scene of the most action with Alshabab outside of Mogadishu area, so southern Ahlul Sunnah was the logical choice to have a North(Puntland), Central (Government), and South (ASWJ). Sheikh Sharif got rejected when he tried to do the samething he did in London in Nairobi.

That's simply concocted and has no congruence with the facts, kid. Throughout the Roadmap process, ASWJ were led by the same person except the Nairobi mishap few weeks before the presidential elections in which Farole introduced Aw Libaax to the world. It's crazy when stupid kids attempt to revise the facts. Stick to the kitchen!
The Mogadishu Consultative Meeting that followed the Garowe Meeting





The Garowe Accords



http://www.somaliareport.com/index.php/post/2827

The London Conference on Somalia

[SultanOrder]

Here is Garrow 1 accord with Aw-libax signature

[RovingMadness]

That's pointless, but good for him if he attended one of the Garowe meetings. The point remains the Roadmap Process & Consultative meeting that lead to it & the London Conference were attended & signed by Abdulqadir Macalin Nur. But my initial point & what seemed to tick you off is that Aw-Libaax is a creation of Farole in which he tried to influence the election process & post-election reality in Somalia. Needless to say that he failed & is still failing.

Now, back to the discussion

[SultanOrder]

Nothing you said ticked me off as I was replying to Sahal. Macalin owes his reputation to his father, but besides that was no more than a lackey used by Sheikh Sharif. Where is he now? What does he do? Where is his "ASWJ"? As soon as Sharif left so did he.
As Farole, his going to do what his going to do.

[RovingMadness]

Nothing you said ticked me off as I was replying to Sahal. Macalin owes his reputation to his father, but besides that was no more than a lackey used by Sheikh Sharif. Where is he now? What does he do? Where is his "ASWJ"? As soon as Sharif left so did he.
As Farole, his going to do what his going to do.

You should not be talking about events & issues that are above your head. Unlike Aw-Libaax, the ASWJ leader was working with his people & together with Pres Sharif, they ensured the successful transfer of power. He's now a MP & part of the federal government. Lackey is someone that works for the interest & aspirations of others without any long term benefit to themselves.

I am not in tne habit of beating a dead horse but i will simply say that I am very much proud of Abdulqadir Macalin Nur & Pres Sharif Sh Ahmed. I hope you are proud of Aw-Libaax & Farole

[sahal80]

I guess rovingmadness is a well-informed person and is close to the truth. I had some clashes with him before and found out that it was him who wrote the source I was quoting from as I had all my infos from his history blog without known its him who owns so I gave up.
I had the puntlanders point of opinion but now reading that of xamar it goes with it well.
It says ahlussuna was given 4 members, 2 from central ahlussuna(marehan snd hg but it was lead by a marehan back then) 1 from ahlussuna xamar(lead by khalif macali abgaal) and one from koonfur galbeed and gedo(here it was picked officially ahmed awees from rahanween and was going to represent them in london meeting as khalif represented ahlussuna in garoowe meeting but he was stopped by faroole who had aw libaax. Sharif was againist aw libaax and his argument was as the central ahlussuna is lead by a marehan there should be a balance otherwise a two marehan guys would exchange in their positions during the meetings. This has made faroole to empower aw libaax againist the central guy where macalin represents beelaha hwye and aw libaax marehan in the whole ahlussunna. Aw libaax had the same opinion of faroole when it comes to the constitution and sharif was againist him.Macalin has signed in garoowe and awees was replaced by aw libaax to sign in london

This is from shacabkamedia from puntland they are saying he ows his position to faroole

1-Sheekh Awlibaax oo ka tirsanaa 6-dii saxixayaasha ahaa,ninkan wuxuu taageero kaheystaa saaxiibkiis Madaxweynaha Puntland C/raxmaan Faroole oo isago si xeeladaysan ugu fariisiyay kursigii Ahlusunnah,wuxuuna Sheekhan Suufiga ah ka soo jeedaa gobolka Gedo.

[SultanOrder]

Im glad you're proud though I have no idea what this has to do with what we are talking about. I'm also glad that they helped with the transition though I'm lost to what choice they had,nevertheless I'm not one to begrudge one of his heroes.

Sahal getting back to the topic, it seems RK refuses to budge, they will not go if it is not about "jubbaland admin and fed admin". It seems that the stand off will cintinue for sometime.

[RovingMadness]

I guess rovingmadness is a well-informed person and is close to the truth. I had some clashes with him before and found out that it was him who wrote the source I was quoting from as I had all my infos from his history blog without known its him who owns so I gave up.
I had the puntlanders point of opinion but now reading that of xamar it goes with it well.
It says ahlussuna was given 4 members, 2 from central ahlussuna(marehan snd hg but it was lead by a marehan back then) 1 from ahlussuna xamar(lead by khalif macali abgaal) and one from koonfur galbeed and gedo(here it was picked officially ahmed awees from rahanween and was going to represent them in london meeting as khalif represented ahlussuna in garoowe meeting but he was stopped by faroole who had aw libaax. Sharif was againist aw libaax and his argument was as the central ahlussuna is lead by a marehan there should be a balance otherwise a two marehan guys would exchange in their positions during the meetings. This has made faroole to empower aw libaax againist the central guy where macalin represents beelaha hwye and aw libaax marehan in the whole ahlussunna. Aw libaax had the same opinion of faroole when it comes to the constitution and sharif was againist him.Macalin has signed in garoowe and awees was replaced by aw libaax to sign in london

This is from shacabkamedia from puntland they are saying he ows his position to faroole

1-Sheekh Awlibaax oo ka tirsanaa 6-dii saxixayaasha ahaa,ninkan wuxuu taageero kaheystaa saaxiibkiis Madaxweynaha Puntland C/raxmaan Faroole oo isago si xeeladaysan ugu fariisiyay kursigii Ahlusunnah,wuxuuna Sheekhan Suufiga ah ka soo jeedaa gobolka Gedo.

Abdulqadir macalin Nuur led ASWJ in during the London Conference of Feb 2012

[Typhoon]

Puntland has little to no presentation in Jubalaand. Of course certain folks would like people to reduce the Jubalaand issue to Puntland vs. Xamar Govt

The reality is Aw-libax, Fartaag were part of an original six members that includes Ghandi that were working on some form of state for the Jubba region. The Harti group led by Col. Darwiish, were added on much later. This is all the representation members tied to puntland have in the Jubalaand initiative.

Faroole's role is limited to the media war Puntland is waging against Culusow for a number of things of which Jubalaand happens to be part of.

In the media [mainly mogadishu media] it seems Puntland is playing a big role because certain groups want to project such a narrative to woe certain tribes to their side.

Finally the issue of Jubalaand is bigger than Madoobe or a single individual.

[Typhoon]

excuse me!

[sahal80]

Sahal getting back to the topic, it seems RK refuses to budge, they will not go if it is not about "jubbaland admin and fed admin". It seems that the stand off will cintinue for sometime.

Seeraar is a propaganda maker bc of his local bases who sees themselves as jubbaland administration and want every thing to be a formal but behind the camiras and reporters things are different.
Also this visit is not about the conference, its a futher meeting without terms, conditions and titles.
Beyond this group, kenya and somalia have reached an understaanding and there were indirect contacts with raaskamboni so, every thing has been principally agreed upon.

The rest is for shirka and its about dib uheshiisiin and the distribution of power.

[Murax]

[ is equitable to support the Gov plan when they do not know what is in it for them or even if it is less or more than what they currently have in this admin.

Within the parameters of Kismayo, the Kablalax narrative seems to have prevailed among the Daarood & it seems the Marehan are overwhelmed by the changing dynamics in Jubbada Hoose. In fact, Puntland was able to manufacture certain Marehan individuals & it succeeded in selling them. Aw-Libaax certainly owes his political fortunes to Farole & I am not too sure about this Fartaag guy that Ras Kamboni has positioned as their VP. Even the experienced & battle-hardened Hiraale seems to be out of his elements, even though Ras Kamboni is doing everything in the book not to annoy him.

But you are right, the ones in Gedo seem to be a cohesive unit & the Prime Minister's endorsement of Kaliil solidified them further.

Coming to the Center, so far the government has taken gradual steps that are aimed at first isolating & ultimately disbanding the Jubbaland conspiracy. At the May 25th IGAD Summit, Kenya was specifically arm-twisted by the West to abandon its satellite project in the Jubba regions. This explains their missteps in Kismayo. They have relied too much on Ras Kamboni & have failed in making contingent plans in case the project falls apart. And it's falling apart, lets not make any doubt about it. The IGAD communique that the Jubbaland conspiracy was illegitimate, exclusive & unconstitutional set the stage for its end. The diplomatic consensus is in line with that. Yesterday's Security Council statement that supported the coming Mogadishu Conference while promising punitive steps against those that undermine it are not wild threats. In Sept, the Brussels Summit will take place delivering crucial lifeline to Somalia. Before then, the conspiracy in Kismayo will end & interim administrations will be setup in Lower Jubba & also Middle Jubba region. The decks are fundamentally lined up against Ras Kamboni & the many investments put into its disruption will bear fantastic fruits.

Mark this spot

Didn't get a chance to see this thread till now. With Awlibax, He's one of several MR including Cali Madoobe (former police chief), Yasin Raadheer former Kismayo mayor, Fartag former commander of guutada koowaad and others who were signatories of the whole Jubbaland shir a couple of years ago. Therefore this isn't simply about Awlibax but a big sector of MR who supporting this admin. From a Marehan clan perspective there isn't complete 100% trust in the Gov due to many question marks:


1) The Gov might view Gedo as linked to Baay/Bakool when it is common knowledge Reer Gedo have always been linked to Kismayo due to their presence there, and not Baay/Bakool
2) The Gov's position is based upon a reappointment of Madoobe to a temp admin in L Jubba, along with provincial admins so what is the major reason for MR to support the Gov in their position when their position towards Kismayo is the exact same as the status quo with the only difference being a provincial not regional admin?
3) Similar to point number 1, that the Gov simply does not wanna see a regional admin in Gedo+Jubbas, not now not ever. Throughout the years, You know very well that this was something that MR here have been big boosters of.


I think its due to these concerns and questions marks that MR have not backed the Gov 100%.

As for My opinion on where things end up, I really think for the next 3 years until the mandate of this Gov expires, the status quo will remain. I think the way this Gov handled this whole thing was very clumsy, and very unprofessional. Stuff like the ramdom sending out of Ministers only for them to be detained at the Kismayo airport, the propping up of a Cawraramle militia only for them to be defeated by a larger RK militia was kinda foolish. I'm sure there could be smarter ways to handle this behind closed doors. Right now, this has kinda turned into a Hawiye-Darood thing in the media which favors Madoobe and the Kismayo admin as the Int'l Community does not wanna seem like they are picking a side over the other. Right now You have Ugaaska Guud of MR, the Suldan of Ogaden waamo in Kismayo and then You have Guys like Xaad, Diiriye on the radio everyday, all this along with the Col Iftin/Fiqhi fiasco is not good for this Gov at all. I guess we'll have to see where this ends up.

[AbdiWahab252]

Murax,

Iftin Baasto was attacked. He struck back and bloodied the Ras Kibakis's noses. What he did was prove that the Ras Kibakis are vulnerable and put Ras Kibakis narrative that they were in full control of the city.