Bimaal VS Ciidanka Dowlada

[kaliil]

Mooryaanta habar gidir si fiican ayaa shalay loo karbaashay.shalay 7 nin ayaa laga dilay magaaladiii lagu dagaalamayna waa laga saaray oo biyomaal ayaa gacanta ku haya imika.mooryaanta galgaduud ka timi waa inay deegaanadoodii ku noqdaan oo shabeelada hoose faraha kala baxaan.

Saaka ayaa la yidhi wey sii dhabar jaben. This will only cause more tension between the three HG residence dagan S/Hose. Alle nabad ha u keeno arintaan mid ayagu u roon ilama aha.

Habar gidir meesha way ku jabtay.ceel wareegow maydkii mooryaanta ayaa meel walba daadsan.baabuur badan ayaa laga qabsaday qaarna waa laga gubay.imika ayay baryatamayaan oo intay odayaal soo direen ayay leeyihiin aynu heshiino.biyomaal gumaystihii talyaaniga way la dagaalameen oo 2000 ayaa kaga dhintay halgankii hawiyena xaarka ayay talyaaniga ka dhaqi jireen marna webiga ayaa lagaga talaabi jiray

[Corruption1]

[AbdiWahab252]

@Abdiwahab - What about the countless Biyamaal 80 year olds that were dragged out of their beds and slaughtered? Why is one life more precious than another? Furthermore, what makes you think any clan in Somalia will continue to take humiliation, blatant injustice, thievery and oppression? There is no place for Habargidir in lower Shabelle. Your lands are well known and we see not a single Biyamaal fighting for control of any city in your regions. Countless other clans had to pay dearly to rid themselves of the blatant oppression that comes with being under Habargidir rule, case in point Sheikhaal who fought for over 5 years to rid themselves of the Galgaduud/Mudug scum that had set up camp in their backyard. It's enough that for the last 22 years these people have looted, occupied and oppressed the peoples of lower Shabelle. Everyone has a limit. To read about Ceel Wareego being a battle zone between Cayr and Biyamaal is ridiculous. Ceel Wareego is the capital of Biymaal, this is their Shangrila. Why is Cayr fighting to rule it when they've no place there? This is beyond a skirmish that came about because an 80 year old was killed. This is a clear indication of what happens when people have been pushed to the limit. Stop being a hypocrite. You can't cry Jeberti the encroachers and support the farce that is Habargidir settle in lower Shabelle. They never did and the proof is in what's happening today.

Firstly, I am not condoning violence against civilians. The murder of that old man who had been living there for more than 60 years was wrong. It was a provocative act to steal his farm that the Italians, MSB government etc failed to. What did he do to deserve such a horrific death ? Are you justifying his murder because he was on his farm in his country bought with his own money ? If that is the case, the HG are justified to defend themselves tooth and nail against anyone who wants to murder them. Secondly, if the Cayr and Biyomal are beefing, what does it have to do with this Sacad man ? If so, then the Biyomaal are asking for the same kind of treatment in any HG settled area be it Shabeele Hoose or Muqdisho. The Sacad were always neutral in the area and have been there for many years. Yet, the Biyomaal now want to spar with them.

The HG do live in the Shabeele Hoose and have so lived there for many decades. They will not be ethnically cleansed from the area. If one attempts to do so, they will be met with the same kind of force. Killing an old man who had nothing to do with Indocaade and his crew does not help the Biyomaal but rallies support around this mafia clique.

By the way, the Sheekhaal live in Mudug after settling there several hundred years ago. Do you see HG trying to ethnically cleanse them from the area ? Targeting HG civilians will only lead to reprisals and when it comes to reprisals, no one wins.

Lastly, why are you not concerned about the Biyomaal territory being occupied in the Lower Jubba by your kin who from NFD and Kilinka 5aad. Since when did you kin live in areas beyond Af-Madow ?

[SecretAgent]

Daroods n hawiyes must be sideline or der will never ever be peace

[Bro]

Its one thing to attack a region in which you have no business in the first place, but using ciidaanka dowlada weaponary and masking as someone who's looking for alshabaab when Xamar itself, is infested with Shabab, not to mention refuting this nonsense because of some old man and his son were killed, The three residence were given a fair warning to vacate the premises in MAY and April after this incident took place.

The local police and military from the Biimaal clan, also wearing the uniform of the Somali National Army and Police uniforms intervened. The HG militia brought AMISOM for back up; luckily they were stopped in time on the behest of local elders who pointed out it is a fighting between two parties that are both members of the National Army. Apart from the death of young men on both sides, the militia from Shalambot was surrounded. Subsequent to this, another Habar Gidir subclan militia from Jannaale district under the command of Ina Dhuxullow, who claims to be the Vice-District Commissioner of Jannaale, joined the fighting. Reports contend that, in addition to loosing four men with five others wounded, including the Vice-District Commissioner, the invading militia lost a car which overturned during the fighting.

Odayaasha Dhaqanka Beelaha Hawiye oo warqad qoraal ah oo ay kaga cabanayaan Beelaha Biiimaal ee ku dhaqan degmada Marka ee gobolka Shabellaha Hoose u gudbiyay madaxda sare ee dowlada Federaalka Soomaaliya gaar ahaan Madaxweyne Xasan Sh.Maxamuud iyo Ra’isul wasaare Cabdi Faarax Shirdoon (Saacid).
Odayaasha Dhaqanka Beelaha Hawiye ayaa cabashadooda ku sheegay in dhalinyarada Beelaha Biimaal ay shaqaaqoyin ka wadaan Xarunta gobolka Sheebalaha Hoose ee Marka, waxaana si cad carabka ay ugu dhufteen in dhawaan ay dhaliyaro ka tirsan Beelaha Biimaal baabur kusoo xardheen erayo ay ku qoranyihiin Hawiye haka guuro Marka iyo agagaarkeeda.

Reer Udub kaliya ayaa HG oo dhan ka calacaalsiye, Walle laf yarta HG nabad alle ha u sahal, this is surely an embarrasment, alle ha kal celiyo ciidaanka Somali oo maanta Amisom soldiers oo tirada badan keenay S/hose iyo Bimaal (reer udub).

[Bro]

Mooryaanta habar gidir si fiican ayaa shalay loo karbaashay.shalay 7 nin ayaa laga dilay magaaladiii lagu dagaalamayna waa laga saaray oo biyomaal ayaa gacanta ku haya imika.mooryaanta galgaduud ka timi waa inay deegaanadoodii ku noqdaan oo shabeelada hoose faraha kala baxaan.

Saaka ayaa la yidhi wey sii dhabar jaben. This will only cause more tension between the three HG residence dagan S/Hose. Alle nabad ha u keeno arintaan mid ayagu u roon ilama aha.

Habar gidir meesha way ku jabtay.ceel wareegow maydkii mooryaanta ayaa meel walba daadsan.baabuur badan ayaa laga qabsaday qaarna waa laga gubay.imika ayay baryatamayaan oo intay odayaal soo direen ayay leeyihiin aynu heshiino.biyomaal gumaystihii talyaaniga way la dagaalameen oo 2000 ayaa kaga dhintay halgankii hawiyena xaarka ayay talyaaniga ka dhaqi jireen marna webiga ayaa lagaga talaabi jiray

Kaliil bimaal are tough fighters and their track record speaks for itself. Lakiin hawiye oo dhan isku mid ma'aha sxb, kuwa fiicaan ayaa ka badan, kuwaan kale oo faqriga gobollada dhexe ka yimi, lakiin HG wey gacan jaleen, Maantana dhimashada 40 ruux ayuu si kordhoya, Isbaataalku u dhowna waa loo diiday ruux kasto shaarka dowladu wata oona dhaawacsan, Xamar iney la rooran mooyee talabo kale u matalo. Xaladooda waa mid aad iyo aad u xun. Marna Xamar aya Dahir Awey looga sabsabtay laga gacan baxshay ta kalena lagu kor dilay oday yaashii ay soo diren Xamar, maantana S/Hose aya lagu sii baabiiyey, I don't wish whats happening to HG on any muslim, Hore ayaa loo yidhi kii gardaran ma guuleysto. Worst thing about it, its Ramadan.

[GIJaamac]

Both Biimaal and Ceyr are part of the SFG soldiers. Allah hakala qaboojiyo waa bil Ramadaane.

[FarhanYare]

Both Biimaal and Ceyr are part of the SFG soldiers. Allah hakala qaboojiyo waa bil Ramadaane.

[Anarchist]

@Abdiwahab - Just what towns in lower Shabelle do habargidir settle in? Can you name any? Unlike you and many others on this site, I was born in Marka and spent a good amount of my childhood criss-crossing between these regions. I don't rely on second-hand information, nor do I rely on the daaco qurun of bitter kinsmen who have their heads buried so far deep their asses that they can no longer distinguish between the real and the fantasy. Does habargidir farm? Are they indigenous to the land? Are they traditionally farming communities? No. Then, just what is it that they are doing in lower Shabelle? And why is that prior to 1991, they were virtually unheard of in these areas? Either bring forward substantial proof of these ridiculous claims or we'll just take it for what it is i.e. stealing people's lands & claiming them as your own. Only this time, the people of these regions have had it with the shenanigans and want your lot gone. It's that simple.

Btw, I've always called things for what they are and an injustice is an injustice, regardless of who the culprits are. I support no clan and no warlord. Be they my own or those of others. Don't try to paint this as a tit-for-tat for what's happening with the Jubba issue. I'm a man enough to denounce the injustices there and see it for being nothing more than a ploy to get rich at the expense of Somalia's sovereignty and specially at the expense of the locals. But, unlike me, my friend - you don't have the decency to condemn the injustices that your kin do on to others. Somehow that doesn't register with you, but it's so much easier to point the finger at others. Today we're learning the marauders menacing the lower Shabelle are doing so wearing Somali national army uniform and with the help of AMISOM. So much for Jebertis being the only ones who use foreigners to do their bidding.

When it comes to personal gains, all Somalis are the same and that's what I've always known. There's no honor left anymore in Somalia and greedy men will stop at nothing to rally support for their greed masking it as a clan cause, which is what's happening here. The same thing is happening with the Jubbaland issue, both are driven by personal greed & the desire for self-preservation. They will stop at nothing to achieve their ambitions, including soliciting aid from foreigners, murdering & oppressing, not to mention stealing & claiming people's lands. While real men fight to leave behind legacies and ideologies, today's so-called leaders are more concerned with filling their uus and singing to the tune of whoever will fill it the most. That's the reality of the issue.

[original dervish]

You can`t compare the situation in J/Land with whats taking place in Shabelle Hoose.
J/Land was formed by political consensus of all the clans living there.
Nobody`s homes or farms are being occupied in J/Land.
The only similarity is that the Hassan Sheikh regime has armed and empowered the moryaans to destabilize both regions.

[AbdiWahab252]

Anarchist,

I never claimed that HG tribal land is in the Shabeele Hoose. All I stated that they have been living there for many years. You make it to be that they all arrived post1991. I know of many Sacad who were born in Shabeele Hoose in places like Qoryoleey, Yaqbaariweyne, Leego, Baraawe (Abdullahi Caadow) Matter of fact my own uncle used had a small village he built near Leego that I used to spend my summers in.

HG have been there for many years and to simply peddle the narrative that they all arrived in 1991 is disingenuous.

I have condemned HG when they are wrong. You lump us all as a band of Vikings marauding the Southern territories. I have been antiIndocaade since 1995 and opposed the Cayr mafia of Marka after they attempted extorting my uncle's banana business and their unfair treatment of the natives. You on the other hand were cheering for him when he was in the UIC.

You won't find one Bimaal or Jareer or Tunni who can say anything negative against the Sacad. We are merely business people. Yet when you murder our eldest Caaqiil and burn his body, then its gloves off. Bimaal came looking for a fight when they killed this old man to seize his farm. So I don't know why you would support the murders of elderly men to steal their land but if that will help address your abtiyaal's concerns, they will have to do more than murdering seniors to achieve their goals.

[Anarchist]

@original - Jubbaland was formed outside of Somalia, in Nairobi hotels. Without the consultation or knowledge of countless clans that live in the region. It benefits no one but the few crooks that serve their own interests. I don't know why you can't see that much? You people cheer on men who are out there for their own hustle. It's like me waving pom poms for another man because he's rolling in dough. Why? They don't give a shit about anyone else but themselves. They do nothing for their people, except egg them on when it comes to clan hate & leech off of their support. If given the chance, these men and their militias will waste no time in looting & claiming people's lands. It's happened before. Furthermore, there's no honor in supporting something we all know Kenya created to undermine Somalia's sovereignty.

[Anarchist]

@Abdiwahab - I support ideologies, not individuals or clans. I supported Maxaakiimta & even Shabaab once because their good outweighed everything else. Not to mention the changes that they brought, which were sorely needed. Indhacade was part of the framework of Maxaakiimta, and let's be honest here - he came to their aid at a much needed time. It's sometimes about choosing the lesser of two evils. As far as what's happening there today, nothing good will come out of it. There's a universal desire to live freely and peacefully, and Biyamaal & countless others in the region just want to rule themselves and live their lives without being under oppression. As for killing anyone, I support no killing of anyone. It's unfortunate that an 80 year old had to be killed as a clan retribution, Ilaaheey ha u naxariisto, amiin. Point was it goes beyond such skirmishes. These issues have been boiling under the surface for years. Through out Somalia, pockets of clans live among others, but to paint it as though habargidir are part of the skeletal body that make-up the local demographic is also disingenuous.

[ModerateMuslim]

anarchist,

what about your support for the traitor sh sharif and his tfg? weren't his tfg formed in kenya and protected by ethiopians and fufus? have you forgotten how you used to abuse those who opposed sharifs tfg for the same reason you now oppose madobes jubbaland?

[Anarchist]

@somali-star - I've always tried to look at things beyond the immediate frame. Sh. Shariif as a president was a better alternative to having Ethiopians in Somalia under Abdullahi Yusuf. It was also the start of something. Everything has to start somewhere, even though somethings may be detestable. We've been without a central government for 2 decades, while the rest of the world moves ahead, Somalia was more than a failed state - we were on the fringes of extinction in the global frame. Balkanization, foreign invasion, global stigmatization, you name it. Our people needed a government and international recognition. Both the ones in the country and the ones outside. Sh. Shariif's government was not my ideal government, but it beat not having a government at all. It started something that I hope will restore dignity to Somalia, someday.

P.S. Shariif's government wasn't formed in Kenya. Ethiopia withdrew out of the country before he became a president.