dam jadid walkes over the rest!

[sahal80]

How will be their second year?

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/pub ... rial.shtml

[AbdiJohnson]

Sahal80,

Is the cabinet all part of Dam Jadiid, including Fowsiya? Or are there exceptions? And if there are, why would the President handpick ministers not loyal to Dam Jadiid?

I am,

Abdi "Thanks in advance" Johnson

[sahal80]

Sahal80,

Is the cabinet all part of Dam Jadiid, including Fowsiya? Or are there exceptions? And if there are, why would the President handpick ministers not loyal to Dam Jadiid?

I am,

Abdi "Thanks in advance" Johnson

The cabinet is a mix of dam jadid and their NGOs allies but the dam jadid ministers have an exceptional power

Decisions are not made through the govt rather in the policy unit wich includes non official islamists, ex resistance groups...

farah abdulqadir, guleed, gacal-deputy foreing minister- these are dam jadid and are powerful...maryam qasim is islaax, fiqi is islaax...jareer minister is associated with dam jadid...finance minister is a close ally since he worked in the islamic banks of arabia and he was old friend of the president...fozia were known to them and she use to cooperate with them in establishing private universities and in the NGOs but she truly arrived through aisho haji another NGO ally though they become enemies after. Ciilmooge had a business relationship with the interim pm..resources though he was a candidate of his clan he had close relationship with the president.

This is the reason why the cabinet didn't side with their supposed boss.

[AbdiJohnson]

Sahal wats sheikhaals role in dam jadiid ?

[LobsterUnit]

The return of the dam jadid.

[sahal80]

Sahal wats sheikhaals role in dam jadiid ?

Its a long story

Originally, the ikhwan movement in somalia was founded by a sheikh from my clan-sheikh mohamed moalin- but this sheikh, though he met sayid qutub in the 50s he was afraid of getting fired from his university, some thing the nasirs use do even to the native students...

When this sheikh was back to somalia, he preached their fikir, a lot from sudan universities in the 60s have joined him like sheikh ibrahim suleey, sheikh ahmed qudubi-now al islaax thinker- at that time it was not based by clan it was based by cilmi.

Since the sheekhals had religious background than the rest they became the base of the students and the bases of the movement such dr dasooqi, dr ali ali dheere, dr ali bashi, shaykh garye...etc. They found out that there were no coordination between ala shaykh-popularly- but call themselves "al ikhwan al muslimoon" and the al tanzim al dawli-international muslim brotherhood- so, garyare who travelled to saudia arabia for study have made contacts with the international ikhwan and with other 4 sheekhals, one reerow hassan and one hawadle he founded the "al islaax movement in al somaal in 1979" the same name of the ikhwan of yemen also to avoid the ikhwan name wich is used by the al sheikh so it can have a different identity....they also call themselves alxaraka al islamiya one of the two ikhwan names. The international ikhwan have recognized al islaax and they got all the funds besides at that time the sheikh was in prison and they even annexed some of his bases.

To cut the long story short, the tanzim have changed totally and has became a clan tanzim where only the sheekhal members are dominating every thing, getting abroad education...in the 2000s, the big clans have splitted bc of this tribalism inside the movement and why are used by a small clan at the same during the carte conference reerow hassan has splitted from sheekhal-any problem happens within sheekhal reflects on the tanzim bc they are mps of their subclans too- this has caused sheikh nuur baarood, farah abdulqadir splitting from al islaax too and since farah abdulqadir was the head of the kuwait based african muslim agency, he had all the financial keys so the other clans have let him have the biggest role in dam jadid so he can secure the gulf funds.

Sheikh nuur baarood is their mufti he even has now some candidates for the pm post

Doodisho-marehan- has splitted with farah abdulqadir since he use to work with him

Abdikarim guleed was fired from al islaax during the ethiopian invasion as he sided with the courts, he was member of their political office

Sheikh abdulqadir kutub-a gugundhabe group-

Abdishakur warsame has splitted during the courts, he is now trying to join dam jadid and was appointed as the presidents political adviser

Now the dam jadid have come up with a real power sharing in the movement where the big clans can be their political candidates for the presidential and powerful positions and their smaller clans have other official posts some balance that was missing in al islaax so quickly they reached the power bc they are well-staffed.

The old ikhwans still exist, their political leader is the professor afyare ilmi from canada and qatar universities and their sheikh is yusuf ali ayte, abdi ayntes father...when abdi ayte was working in VOA he use to do with him a lot of interviews on the somali situations because of their tanzim affiliation and then through him he moved to al jazira and finally he suggested to him to establish the heritage bc he is a professor and can't go to xamar.

Professor afyare has refused many times to be a minister and some one has told me that he doesn't like to destort himself in the current political situation and will wait till 2016 elections as the ala shaykhs presidential candidate. He believes at that time somalia will be more cleaner and that the things can be fixed!.

Old ikhwans are back

Heritage Institute Launches “Forum for Ideas”

 

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

CONTACT: info@heritageinstitute.org

(Mogadishu, Somalia – 23 January 2013) The Heritage Institute for Policy Studies (HIPS), Somalia’s first think tank, has launched the “Forum for Ideas” to facilitate discussions on key policy issues.  The first event was convened on Tuesday at a conference facility at HIPS’ headquarters in Mogadishu, known as Heritage House. The topic of discussion was: the U.S. recognition of the Somali government, its meaning, implications and the best way the Somali government and people could capitalize on this opportunity. 

The invitation-only event was attended by 25 representatives from academia, civil society, business, media and the government, including the Permanent Secretary of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Ambassador Mohamed Sharif and Deputy Chairman of the Parliament’s Foreign Relations Committee, Hon. Mohamed Omar Dalha. HIPS fellow Dr. Afyare Elmi, who teaches at Qatar University, was also among the discussants. 

“Our view is to make the Forum for Ideas a platform to foster social discourse on issues of national importance, and to help inform our own research and analysis,” said Abdi Aynte, director of HIPS, who moderated the event.

Among the participants were a senior policy adviser at the Prime Minister’s office, professors at local universities, two retired generals, including General Ahmed Jama, former police commissioner, civil society leaders and senior diplomats such as Ambassador Fadumo Issak Bihi, Somalia’s former envoy to the UN and Ambassador Yusuf Hassan Ibrahim, current Somali ambassador to China (and a former foreign minister) as well as senior representatives from the business community.

The participants engaged in a frank discussion and covered all issues pertaining to the U.S. recognition of Somalia amid renewed optimism and signs of recovery. They debated the implications for semi-autonomous regional administrations, particularly the dialogue between Somaliland and the Somali government.

“We were impressed by the depth and breadth of the participants, and the civil nature of the discussions,” said Aynte.  “Clearly, time has come for such discourse to contribute to the national policy considerations.”

The Heritage Institute will hold similar discussions on regular basis to enhance the public understanding of policy matter affecting Somalia.

[AbdiJohnson]

Thanks sahal 1 of my friends is sheikhaal but he says he's not hawiye

[sahal80]

Thanks sahal 1 of my friends is sheikhaal but he says he's not hawiye

I think we have tired of hearing this question of is this clan a hawiye or not when people know the facts

The somali society is a tribal society and not a state-based society so many standalone clans have been incorporated into other clans in order to survive...sheekhaal have been incorporated into hawiye, this doesnt mean they are hawiye by ancestery...in the pollitical and social dictionary they are hawiye

I my self not hawiye though I'm hawadle in the same way, we are just hawiye allies, we are not hawiye. If hawadle becomes a president or a pm you will see many hawiye screaming...so in the future when the state-based society gets stronger we will depart them we even have asked the UN not to put us within hawiye in 4.5 but they told us that we have being their war allies...

Gardheere, a closely related clan to gaaljecel- are in the fifth clan bc they don't live in hiiraan.

Now bc of dam jadid there are many hawiye anti-sheekhal articles like this hawiye waa dhibane dhoogl ah!

This somali dir guy explains this to one cadaan guy, may be isxaaq has the same problem with dir in the opposite way.
"Alright, but maybe at least you can explain why I see the Isaaq as listed as a Dir subclan sometimes? I've never really understood that.

Isaq is a subclan of Dir but that may change. Somali clans can grow out of their super-clan or get incorporated into other clans. For example, Xawaadle and more recently Sheekhaal (both previously independent clans) got incorporated into Hawiye. The only people that actually consider Isaq to be a clan equal to Dir are younger generations of Isaq. These kids troll Somali websites claiming equal footing with the major clans while their clan leaders attend conferences under the banner of Dir. It's best to just ignore them"

[Khalid Ali]

Sahal isaaq is not dir was never never a sub clan of any other clan
Isaaq is isaaq, isaaq was classified under dir in carta and gheele of djibouti came with this dir
Because ciise would not amount to nothing in somalia care conference was a farce and isaaq elders and politicians called it for what it was cigaal arrested the 3 elder that attended the conference even the dhulo garaad
Who ever calls isaaq dir belittles them what they are not
Isaaq has 29 seats of somalia in ur last parliament formation not a single isaaq sultan was in mogadishu
Isaaq from 1980 led a movement up to 1991 exclusevely isaaq movement not dir while gadabuursi lived with us in somaliland. This whole political dir card was conceived in 2000

[sahal80]

Sahal isaaq is not dir was never never a sub clan of any other clan
Isaaq is isaaq, isaaq was classified under dir in carta and gheele of djibouti came with this dir
Because ciise would not amount to nothing in somalia care conference was a farce and isaaq elders and politicians called it for what it was cigaal arrested the 3 elder that attended the conference even the dhulo garaad
Who ever calls isaaq dir belittles them what they are not
Isaaq has 29 seats of somalia in ur last parliament formation not a single isaaq sultan was in mogadishu
Isaaq from 1980 led a movement up to 1991 exclusevely isaaq movement not dir while gadabuursi lived with us in somaliland.
This whole political dir card was conceived in 2000

I know your position, I just said you seem to have a problem with dir. I use to wonder why. so it was tbc of he dir geele? I see...

My clan had an initiative of forming one hawadle larger clan and join it as a standalone clan but was rejected by the UN man who had a CIA map from 91.

Some subclans of the larger hawadle samatalis (in hiiraan), adeer, walmooge, dhabarweyne, geedi, ahmed, abdirahman and abdirahim, manshi out of hiiraan have met and they wanted to have a larger seats together but it didn't work.

[STARKAST]

In Darod Hawiye eyes you'll always be Dir, accept it just like your limo region.

[sahal80]

In Darod Hawiye eyes you'll always be Dir, accept it just like your limo region.

Omg abdijohnson has changed the topic. Pls let us stop here. If clan says he is not that clan then that is it, they are not.

[AbdiJohnson]

Sahal,

If you see this account making posts without the signatures, that is SecretAgent

Guys please don't derail Sahals topic.

I am,

Abdi "Thank you" Johnson

[BuuloXubeey]

LOL @ rejected by a man from the UN. Since when does a gaal cadaan has any say about Somali lineage. Waryaa Sahal, Xawaadle are Hawiye and always will be Hawiye. Can't believe any man will deny his own lineage.

And LOL @ Xawaadle being a stand alone clan. Like it has population to be its own stand alone clan, if u do decide to leave ur own Hawiye clan, you will go under minority 0.5.

[GeoSeven]

Thanks sahal 1 of my friends is sheikhaal but he says he's not hawiye

I think we have tired of hearing this question of is this clan a hawiye or not when people know the facts

The somali society is a tribal society and not a state-based society so many standalone clans have been incorporated into other clans in order to survive...sheekhaal have been incorporated into hawiye, this doesnt mean they are hawiye by ancestery...in the pollitical and social dictionary they are hawiye

I my self not hawiye though I'm hawadle in the same way, we are just hawiye allies, we are not hawiye. If hawadle becomes a president or a pm you will see many hawiye screaming...so in the future when the state-based society gets stronger we will depart them we even have asked the UN not to put us within hawiye in 4.5 but they told us that we have being their war allies...

Gardheere, a closely related clan to gaaljecel- are in the fifth clan bc they don't live in hiiraan.

Now bc of dam jadid there are many hawiye anti-sheekhal articles like this hawiye waa dhibane dhoogl ah!

This somali dir guy explains this to one cadaan guy, may be isxaaq has the same problem with dir in the opposite way.
"Alright, but maybe at least you can explain why I see the Isaaq as listed as a Dir subclan sometimes? I've never really understood that.

Isaq is a subclan of Dir but that may change. Somali clans can grow out of their super-clan or get incorporated into other clans. For example, Xawaadle and more recently Sheekhaal (both previously independent clans) got incorporated into Hawiye. The only people that actually consider Isaq to be a clan equal to Dir are younger generations of Isaq. These kids troll Somali websites claiming equal footing with the major clans while their clan leaders attend conferences under the banner of Dir. It's best to just ignore them"

Sahaloow with all due respect, speak for yourself man and do not generalize. Your sentiments are not shared