Somali clan Productivity and Success

[Warabaha]

Even the most advanced university in Somalia the one in Borama gets computers and other things from western high schools

Borama is not in somalia.

[sahal80]

al-siyaasi Sahal keeps losing points everyday. First calling Puntland Majertenia and then calling them backwards when they are the most progressive clan in Somali peninsula

Lol when I'm calling it majertenia I mean its enclosed political system, they will never accept to be led by a marehan or dhulbahante or even other mjs. In the last selections, there was a mj aqonyahan/intellectual who said "I always support other mjs to reach the power but since we have no choice I will stick with farole since he knows how to deal with xamar!!"

This reactionary sytem have led the smaller subclans that are around them to stay away

Gaas is making some political corrections in order to reach the other subclans

Not just in puntland, the mj have no reconciliatory policy within their larger clan, take example kismayo, instead of empowering marehan in the new adminstration, they want the mayorship for themselves instead!

Do you know what losing marehan can result on the clan and the stability?

All this indicates that mj are far from the state-hood and have no greater interests out of majertenia!.

[FarhanYare]

All somali clans are the same but isaaq are abit different since they established a modern state on the land that they form the majority, they have high court that will matter in the elections, a parliament who threatens the president with a motion, political parties and popular elections and what counts more is that the greatest president of somaliland not being an isaaq

Somalis believe in some conspiracy and would like to say many stuff about kahin riyale and that he was there to prevent an intra-isaaq conflict but this was done institutionally; a president dies and constitutionally the vice-president replaces him then the ruling party too elects the vice-president to be its leader then there is elections and the main opposition party kulmiye loses it for just 80 votes then the high court declares kahin being the elected president and both silanyo and fayal waraabe accepts this!

Here somalis would say; it was silanyo who won it but they kept again kahin to prevent...LOL this is pure conspiracy!


Mj/majertenia is a backward clan, they may provide healthy care, education and necessities to the locals, may make some franchises as a passive clan who never fought colonialism but will never contribute to the struggle of their fellow subclans, thus, cant reach modernity or build a modern state.



Sheekhaal; very influential clan that dominates the educational inistitutions and the gulf based organizations, this clan has the continental and the diplomatic keys that isaaq are lacking

Sheekhal is reviving mogadishu now.

[STARKAST]

My question is why Some Somali clans are more successful than others.

The defining reason i have found is : Access to sea, Dhulbahante, Eeelay, Marehan are all landlocked with no port.
Warsangali are part founders of Bossaso thus they utilize this port, however why are their lands barren ? with no political development at all ?

Hawiye are war like by nature yet poses 1 port + natural harbour - Hobyo. Hence their development is still stunted due to war. our friends deserve a sole case study or book.

Isaaq have 1 port
MJ have 3.

@ theyuusuf143, somali galbeed is your home, xabasha used ogaden clan to name somali galbeed to create disunity between all the somalis that live there. why should you join Christians ?
Thank you for acknowledging the innate drive of MJ concentrating on multiple things yet your clan only on 1. Dhanto is useless remember that.

@ quark, LegendarySS4 PL isn't a shit hole

@ JuliusCaesar ok Borama is a sustainable city i agree but your still marginalised whether in Djibouti/Somali land/Somalia..too ilbax

http://somalilandpress.com/somalilandga ... te-2-50124

@ Typhoon - reer bossaso have the highest wages in somalia fact i can show proof. sl and pl are both clan states, uae is also a tribal state aswell try not to insult me again, i'm a man your forgetting.

@ Sahal how come Hawadle are backwards ? At least MJ a sub sub sub sub clan of Darood have created a admin for harti, what about hawadle ? show proof of of Sheekhal dominance and why is this importantly ?
you getting at MJ for being go gettas yet your stay silent at your clans destruction of Somalia, give it a rest sxb. your not serious. Anyone qualified to run PL will run it, gaas was the most qualified.
Vice president, speaker of house interior minister -these are all filled by non Majerteens, the 3 most powerful positions non mjs, is this fair ? but don't worry focus on top question.
Also Somaliland is 10 years older than Puntland and have their 'own country' while reer puntland invest everywhere in somalilands isaaq just somaliland proper as the guy said riding many horses not 1 -

[Sophisticate]

@ JuliusCaesar ok Borama is a sustainable city i agree but your still marginalised whether in Djibouti/Somali land/Somalia..too ilbax

http://somalilandpress.com/somalilandga ... te-2-50124

In other words Starkast,Issa and Issaq are sell outs to the colonials hence they benefited from whatever crumbs the French and British gave them. Although the Gadabursi being militaristically naive, but surpassing both in pride rejected that offer. No wonder Zeylac was abandoned in favour of Berbera.

Thanks for informing us of this.

[sahal80]

My question is why Some Somali clans are more successful than others.

The defining reason i have found is : Access to sea, Dhulbahante, Eeelay, Marehan are all landlocked with no port.
Warsangali are part founders of Bossaso thus they utilize this port, however why are their lands barren ? with no political development at all ?

Hawiye are war like by nature yet poses 1 port + natural harbour - Hobyo. Hence their development is still stunted due to war. our friends deserve a sole case study or book.

Isaaq have 1 port
MJ have 3.

@ theyuusuf143, somali galbeed is your home, xabasha used ogaden clan to name somali galbeed to create disunity between all the somalis that live there. why should you join Christians ?
Thank you for acknowledging the innate drive of MJ concentrating on multiple things yet your clan only on 1. Dhanto is useless remember that.

@ quark, LegendarySS4 PL isn't a shit hole

@ JuliusCaesar ok Borama is a sustainable city i agree but your still marginalised whether in Djibouti/Somali land/Somalia..too ilbax

http://somalilandpress.com/somalilandga ... te-2-50124

@ Typhoon - reer bossaso have the highest wages in somalia fact i can show proof. sl and pl are both clan states, uae is also a tribal state aswell try not to insult me again, i'm a man your forgetting.

@ Sahal how come Hawadle are backwards ? At least MJ a sub sub sub sub clan of Darood have created a admin for harti, what about hawadle ? show proof of of Sheekhal dominance and why is this importantly ?
you getting at MJ for being go gettas yet your stay silent at your clans destruction of Somalia, give it a rest sxb. your not serious. Anyone qualified to run PL will run it, gaas was the most qualified.
Vice president, speaker of house interior minister -these are all filled by non Majerteens, the 3 most powerful positions non mjs, is this fair ? but don't worry focus on top question.
Also Somaliland is 10 years older than Puntland and have their 'own country' while reer puntland invest everywhere in somalilands isaaq just somaliland proper as the guy said riding many horses not 1 -

Of course the ports make economical interests also play strategical roles not just only about resources but do you know that you couldn't even create a market for your port? Your ethiopian borders are closed to due to a lack of customs unlike of tog wajaale though clan-wise your closer to the somali region! This is part of your lack of larger clan interests.

mogadishu port is back!


Lol I represent myself and that was my opinion nothing has to do with my clan but if you want to know my opinion on my clan: hawadle is a small politically second class clan, supports any non-HG led govt like the abgaals who sees her as its strategical central gate, from the other front they get weapons from ethiopia so their interests are located between ethiopia and banadir however they are part of the southren problem. Second class landlocked clans need to unite with other clans to spend and control more resources and as for hawadle they may get connected with abgaal but they should help them in xamar first however the current president was more onto HG bc the djs centralist agenda needs such clans like HG and marehan to isolate the federalists however he started contacting with hawadle now. In short they need another region.

[STARKAST]

You also forgot abuse of common ancestor, today in somalia isaaq iyo gadabuursi share Dir, beesha eat from 2 cakes. 'bad numerical image' is quite interesting, are they really a big clan ?
Gadabursi yes are politically naive and today they have nothing to show. sister pride or dignity doesn't produce a economy. Why don't they utilize their 2 ports ? No ones stopping them,

Maybe my theory has already failed ?

[Hodan94]

You also forgot abuse of common ancestor, today in somalia isaaq iyo gadabuursi share Dir, beesha eat from 2 cakes. 'bad numerical image' is quite interesting, are they really a big clan ?
Gadabursi yes are politically naive and today they have nothing to show. sister pride or dignity doesn't produce a economy. Why don't they utilize their 2 ports ? No ones stopping them,

Maybe my theory has already failed ?

loool after all the clan bashing it has come down to isaaq and gedobirsi are of the same ancestry..????
do urself a favour and take some time out of somalinet

[STARKAST]

What i like about sahal is he is honest unlike others who has guts to reiterate hard to digest 'facts'.
Why can't beesha Hawadle just work with their immediate neighbours HG that means hiraan grows instead of allicineas with abgaal.
Maybe it was too easy. Qabilyaad is the root of Somali clan regression.

dj will not help anyone apart from a few select people. its worse than clanism. its mafia culture.

also bossaso is used from bari, nugaal mudug, sanaag, sool, galgaduud, somali galbeed and even cayn.

Khalid Cali, i know fact is hard to digest but your dir, sidaas waye don't reject you don't have a father you know whats called ? answer the thread or bounce

[Sophisticate]

I find the bad numerical image hogwash its a mere excuse because Gadabursi land extends into Ethiopia, numerically speaking the Gadabursi are the second largest clan there and are gaining ground with regard to economic development and sustainability. I think we found the chink in your armor Starkast.

[sahal80]

You also forgot abuse of common ancestor, today in somalia isaaq iyo gadabuursi share Dir, beesha eat from 2 cakes. 'bad numerical image' is quite interesting, are they really a big clan ?
Gadabursi yes are politically naive and today they have nothing to show. sister pride or dignity doesn't produce a economy. Why don't they utilize their 2 ports ? No ones stopping them,

Maybe my theory has already failed ?

gadabursi are better than dhulbahante, these guys too live between two mighty clans(issa and isaaq)who have political cooperation that are againist their interests but they accepted the reality. Gadabursi may not like to stay minority in somaliland and watch xamar from a far, meantime are part of somaliland, get their share of development.

Dhulbahante too live between two mighty clans-isaaq and mj- yet they are fighting in two fronts or coming to xamar who can't dare to...

They should totally join one side.

[STARKAST]

The Somali imagination has Gadubursi as a small clan. right ? they have been pushed back on both sides they used to own dira dawa and galibey. maybe this psychological torment has impacted on gaddubursi underachivment.

same goes for dhuls from isaaq aggression
ogaden, xabasha aggression
marehan - final stop of gravy train
eelay - everyone

i still have vitality, still going strong.

[STARKAST]

@ sahal - yes gadabuursi i suspect has accepted poliitical 2nd class. hence their lands not really developed just 1 city borama which is quite small.

Actually no mj are not aggressive to dhuls, this doesn't exist, they are just uncooperative to mj demands.

so your saying sool lack of development is because of abuse from mj and isaaq? or maybe is it because they are a backward clan geeljire nolol, no port, no industry?

in Jubbaland/kismaayo they are successful and prosperous before - port

[Warabaha]

Stop trying to change the subject and tell us about darood cities, businesses and successful people

[Sophisticate]

Their problem is a matter of focusing too much on education and less on commerce. I think that is their issue, particularly in Somaliland. Ethiopia is more of a hotspot for them numerically also.

Business controls politics it always has.

I also think Somalis regardless of where they live are politically naive also. [ It appears they are easily bought, and are far from galvanized = easily controlled by their petty differences and mislead.]