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Postby sahal80 » Fri May 02, 2014 3:31 am

This article is full of a huge weird informations looks like more rumours than a true information, how can an important diplomate state this? Yes he lives in nairobi for a while waiting the ugandan forces that will keep his own security under the UN command to get implemented in there. He also talks about kamal gutaale who recently resigned from his deputy governor post meeting with the donors againist the government! All this indicates being an article full of rumours though it has some true in it.

This article was published yesterday, it may give you a clue about an inside info that I was revealing in the last weeks wich states that abdiwali gaas of puntland planning to be the next president of somalia by setting up his own vission and road map and that xamar still has a chance to change the things in between (2014-2015)


The theory of making another road map and transion doesn't work! That page was closed, however there could be a fight on the vision2016, from a govt owned and led process to a regional-center partnership, therefore, govt alone may not implement its vision like it was seen before as a parmanent govt that will lead somalia into the constitutional and democratic stages

Who delivers the vision will likely to control the political situation in post-2016

The other point is that the west have not the same policies towards somalia, the US who recognized the somali govt supports her more than the europians, US has its security concerns and concentrates on the security situation and the fight againist al shabaab while the europians are economically motivated and their policies are about an AID intervention, oil deals etc


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"The SRSG Nicholas Kay talking to some Somali politicians in Nairobi stated that if there are no
developments and clear progress in Somalia by November, the International
Community plans to take decisive action in the next HLPF meeting in Copenhagen,
Denmark, which could include similar roadmap when ending the transition will be
agreed, where by leaders of Puntland and Jubba as well as new emerging states
in Somalia will take part the implementation of the future roadmap discussions in
order to be more inclusive and representative. Therefore, time is of essence
and if no concrete actions towards the review of the constitution, the
implementation of federalism and the democratization process by Novemeber, then
the Federal Government will lose its status. This is the most critical test to the
leadership of President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and it is a real wakeup call that
cannot be ignored.

 

 

 

 
Recently the President of Puntland Dr Abdiweli Mohamed Ali wrote a letter to donors urging
them to attend a consultative meeting in Puntland to discuss the way forward.
Dr Ali claims that the federal government lost golden opportunity to show leadership
and failed to reach-out regional states that are important to the unity of
Somalia. Dr Ali demanded that Puntland deserves special status with regards to
the delivery of the COMPACT and the new deal pledges. The idea of the new
roadmap comes from Puntland as Dr Ali knows too well on how to implement a
roadmap as he was the key player in the implementation of the 2012 roadmap in
Somalia. Will President Mohamud realize this golden opportunity where he can
lead a Somali led process of reconciliation, political reach-out, and make the
necessary compromises needed to revive the confidence of Somali people? Time
will tell if he is brave enough to save the nation.

 
Yes, it can be done and all it needs a great vision, strong decision making, and understanding that
time is running out. The alternative is to resign. MPs are circulating petition
to impeach the President while elites and former politicians are debating the
next move to save the nation. The definition of Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and
expecting different results.

Dr
Hassan Farah,

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Analyst & Expert in East Africa politics – contributes articles to East
Africa Magazine – hassan.farah@iname.com1st May 2014"

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby knet » Fri May 02, 2014 3:46 am

There is a plan B already in Place to save the nation from savages.

Remove Hassan Move the Capital, the rest will take care of it self. :ugeek:

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Recently the President of Puntland Dr Abdiweli Mohamed Ali wrote a letter to donors urging
them to attend a consultative meeting in Puntland to discuss the way forward.
Dr Ali claims that the federal government lost golden opportunity to show leadership
and failed to reach-out regional states that are important to the unity of
Somalia. Dr Ali demanded that Puntland deserves special status
Yes, all of this for the good of Somalia of course....spare me the hypocrisy :comeon:

May the Presidency, Prime-ministership and the federal government succeed. If folks do not agree with their ways, they can vote them out. All I see here is clannishly motivated schemes. I'd lend an ear the anti-Hassan Sheikh rhetoric if there was an inkling of sincerity to most of it.

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby FarhanYare » Fri May 02, 2014 4:56 am

There is a plan B already in Place to save the nation from savages.

Remove Hassan Move the Capital, the rest will take care of it self. :ugeek:
Hawiye was xoolo enough to give sneeky dhabyaco the benefit of the doubt back in 06 even though Ethiopia played a major role in how that plan was executed. I think it's fair to say this is nothing but a dream :D .

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Postby knet » Fri May 02, 2014 5:09 am

There is a plan B already in Place to save the nation from savages.

Remove Hassan Move the Capital, the rest will take care of it self. :ugeek:
Hawiye was xoolo enough to give sneeky dhabyaco the benefit of the doubt back in 06 even though Ethiopia played a major role in how that plan was executed. I think it's fair to say this is nothing but a dream :D .


I guess sending 10,000 youth to their deaths and ceyr spending every single dime it had to destroy Abduallahi Yusuf Dawlad was xoolo giving him the benefit of doubt so ma aha? Your not allowed to lead because of this exact xoolo mindset. Instead of finding ways to secure the capital with your own people ur business men are busying selling their women to adoon AU troops and selling arms to Al Shabaab. :|

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby FarhanYare » Fri May 02, 2014 6:12 am

I don't wanna shift the intended focus of the thread so why don't you create a thread about the nonsense you posted. :|

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Recently the President of Puntland Dr Abdiweli Mohamed Ali wrote a letter to donors urging
them to attend a consultative meeting in Puntland to discuss the way forward.
Dr Ali claims that the federal government lost golden opportunity to show leadership
and failed to reach-out regional states that are important to the unity of
Somalia. Dr Ali demanded that Puntland deserves special status
Yes, all of this for the good of Somalia of course....spare me the hypocrisy :comeon:

May the Presidency, Prime-ministership and the federal government succeed. If folks do not agree with their ways, they can vote them out. All I see here is clannishly motivated schemes. I'd lend an ear the anti-Hassan Sheikh rhetoric if there was an inkling of sincerity to most of it.
:russ:



:ufdup:
lakin ninkii seexdo sicii dibi dhal! im afraid of xamar is waiting for a second karbaash!

According to that article, president hassan knows all this but blames the local people for not supporting him.

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby sahal80 » Fri May 02, 2014 11:26 am

Strategic articles on somalia

The article about nick kay, kay reveals the three things that can lead the success of the vision2016: the complitation of the federal system(federal states) constitution and referendum and lastly the elections, the key success is the federal system and constitution, rest are less important and can be delayed to post-2016

Seems like the recent military success againist al shabaab is atracting the west again, there were officials from the uks foreing department who visited mogadishu and have stated this they also said that the UK will support the govt at MSF and the world bank.

Kay says there have been some financial reforms but calls to keep the pressure on the govt so they can stay clean



The article about gaas talks about his former political ambittions to run for the presidential elections and that this background may make him closer to mogadishu to implement federalism!!

The article reveals the upcoming federalism battle and gaases efforts to reach out other southren regions wich may result the central regions forming another political coalition along side with the govt

With the exception of abdiwaab aka qabdiid lol
http://www.usip.org/category/countries/somalia

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Postby BigBreak » Fri May 02, 2014 11:47 am

sahal can u tell me the latest with the so called independent federal boundaries commission and their list of future states :up:

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Postby GIJaamac » Fri May 02, 2014 12:44 pm

I don't think daarood will have the presidency in the next 50 years let alone in 2016, whatever the situation on the ground is. It would send Somalia back to civil war, worse than the 1991 massacre.

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Why amisom haven't advanced to Baraawe and J/dhexe ? What are they waiting for ?

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Postby BigBreak » Fri May 02, 2014 12:51 pm

I don't think daarood will have the presidency in the next 50 years let alone in 2016, whatever the situation on the ground is. It would send Somalia back to civil war, worse than the 1991 massacre.
:lol: :lol: ur right saaxib, langaab minority dooros can only dream for such :D

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby sahal80 » Fri May 02, 2014 1:06 pm

sahal can u tell me the latest with the so called independent federal boundaries commission and their list of future states :up:
as I know not yet, the govt is now busy with the interim era that means by december the interim admins will be formed. Its not included khatumo. Just puntland as its that why he said he only called silanyo and gaas.
I don't think daarood will have the presidency in the next 50 years let alone in 2016, whatever the situation on the ground is. It would send Somalia back to civil war, worse than the 1991 massacre.

sahal

Why amisom haven't advanced to Baraawe and J/dhexe ? What are they waiting for ?
they should capture barawe but if the rainy season starts it may take time.


There are rumours over the somali pages saying that the djibouti president has given hassan sheekh a message from america about a new road map that will lead his resignation before it gets started replaced by interim govt that will pave the way to elections and that this what john kerry will tell him lol

I guess there is some one who invents story at every event

The meeting is about the US showing how its involved in the war againist al shabaab!.
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Postby BigBreak » Fri May 02, 2014 1:12 pm

cheers sahal for ur answer. regarding hassan sheikh, can u tell me the support he has over the whole hawiye clan and whether such support could determine the future of him keeping office thanks

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Postby sahal80 » Fri May 02, 2014 2:44 pm

cheers sahal for ur answer. regarding hassan sheikh, can u tell me the support he has over the whole hawiye clan and whether such support could determine the future of him keeping office thanks
I don't think its about him rather its about the govt/the state itself, many south-central sactions are againist the govt and people are still in-line with other interests(al shabaab, the rival sub-clans, the regional warlords etc

These people haven't yet accepted the concept of statehood or collective salvation or ever learned a lesson from the ugly past and living under the hell of ethiopia and al shabaaab and being IDPs

Regardless of this, I believe that the west wants to get rid of the ruling muslim brotherhood for fear of their success may motivate other countries, this group has a different ideology than their ideology for somalia, they advised him many times but he was only listening to his group maybe this is his last chance with john kerry to listen...

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Re: statement attributed 2 nick kay: govt may lose its statu

Postby GIJaamac » Fri May 02, 2014 2:52 pm

sahal

Will the referendum of federal system be held before or after 2016 ?


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