the main difference between saacid and abdi wali

[sahal80]

Lol I made this thread after I couldn't edit the other empty thread wich was a double post/technical error, was trying to fill it with some info.


Pm abdiwali sheekh wants to leave behind some tribal legacy

Unlike of the central-ist saacid, he's concentrating his efforts on doing some thing that's an extansion of jubbaland initiative for his southren clans

But his agenda can't extend to the north, infact, some new personalities in the govt and who play a local diplomatic roles have threatened him to turn the table on him by using the same blocs againist him wich made him retreat back!

I heard that president hassan was againist appointing another mudug pm some thing abdikarim guleed folks were backing it, on the other hand farah abdulqadir was backing the current finance minister halane so he can use him in his agreement with raaskambooni but there were a third group who were advisors regarding the gulf countries and who have seen the saudi arabia based abdi wali sheekh as the best man for this job and being close to jubba-gedo politicians he can do both the same roles but one thing they never knew was that abdiwali was a pro-jubbaland or is using her for his own political base, therefore, he's part of the problem and may have his own agenda!

To be honest that's some thing great for his people and their interests!

however, he may not have that diplomatic importance as seralione is replacing kenya soon in the command wich means the administration getting in a weak position.

[StormShadow]

This nigga speewing nonsense as usuall. You think Sierra Leone will do something for the pathetic Ugandan protected politicians in Villa Somalia. For your info Sierra Leone plus your Burundian brothers are already there and had been for for atleast six months. Mr independent afhayeen come with something better to tell us.

[sahal80]

This nigga speewing nonsense as usuall. You think Sierra Leone will do something for the pathetic Ugandan protected politicians in Villa Somalia. For your info Sierra Leone plus your Burundian brothers are already there and had been for for atleast six months. Mr independent afhayeen come with something better to tell us.

I'm not telling you anything since your somalilander this is non of your business. If you have a logic stop following me every where and in my koonfur threads!.

I'm going to report you and complaing to the mods.

[StormShadow]

[Murax]

You cannot compare the two. Saacid was controlled by Xassan, Abdiweli is not. Apples and oranges.

[XimanJaale]

Even if Sierra Leonne arrive in Kismaayo (which some of them already did) and Kenya leave Kismaayo this will not change the game for Daarood. Because the two groups are challenging each other for Kismaayo are Ogaden/Kablalax and Mareexaan.

Also most of Somali leaders are tribalist to a certain level. Culusoow is as much tribalistic as Baldy.

What is shameful is that we Somalis are still doing clan rivalry.

[XimanJaale]

You cannot compare the two. Saacid was controlled by Xassan, Abdiweli is not. Apples and oranges.

Where on earth did you get this facts from? No top leaders is controlled by another. There are mutual interest between top leaders but that does not mean that one top leader controls the other top leader. If that was the case, Culusoow wouldn't had challenged Saacid and he wouldn't had bribed the parliament to overthrow Saacid.

[Murax]

You cannot compare the two. Saacid was controlled by Xassan, Abdiweli is not. Apples and oranges.

Where on earth did you get this facts from? No top leaders is controlled by another. There are mutual interest between top leaders but that does not mean that one top leader controls the other top leader. If that was the case, Culusoow wouldn't had challenged Saacid and he wouldn't had bribed the parliament to overthrow Saacid.

Indeed Saacid did start to take full control of His powers and put up a great fight against Culusow who had to bribe the mps to survive, but I'm talking about Saacid in the beginning. I think Saacid in the first 6 months wanted to be reconcilatory and avoid confrontation, with a plan to exert Himself later on. By then though it was too late When almost Saacids entire cabinet were actively undermining Him according to Culusow's wishes. Culusow had to use a lot of political capital to fight that, which I'm sure weakened Him. However one thing I do know for a fact that many people do not realize is that Saacid and Abdiweli are close and really good friends. I'm sure He's gotten some advice.

[garoweboy]

I heard this and heard that blah blah STFU. You sound like a habar suuqa hilibka kasoo labatay.

[XimanJaale]

Indeed Saacid did start to take full control of His powers and put up a great fight against Culusow who had to bribe the mps to survive, but I'm talking about Saacid in the beginning. I think Saacid in the first 6 months wanted to be reconcilatory and avoid confrontation, with a plan to exert Himself later on. By then though it was too late When almost Saacids entire cabinet were actively undermining Him according to Culusow's wishes. Culusow had to use a lot of political capital to fight that, which I'm sure weakened Him. However one thing I do know for a fact that many people do not realize is that Saacid and Abdiweli are close and really good friends. I'm sure He's gotten some advice.

Yes they are good friends and have kind of similar ideas for both the nation and for their clan. And yes Saacid was more reconciliatory in his early part of his rule. This is understandable since it was the first government to be formed that was not under transitional phase. And many Somalis had high hopes during back then. And in general when our clansmen are in power in the Somali government they tend to stick to their role and abide mostly to the nationalistic requirement that they need to follow, which is a good thing. But sadly most Somalis sees this as a weak thing, because the tribal nature of our people has still not died yet. They belief the more a leader cares about his tribe the more stronger he is. Hence why you assumed Saacid was under the control of Culuusow even though he wasn't.

[StormShadow]

Ximanxaare talking out of his arse as usuall.

[XimanJaale]

Ximanxaare talking out of his arse as usuall.

You can give me that award, when you ratify the Somalinet awards.

[Murax]

Indeed Saacid did start to take full control of His powers and put up a great fight against Culusow who had to bribe the mps to survive, but I'm talking about Saacid in the beginning. I think Saacid in the first 6 months wanted to be reconcilatory and avoid confrontation, with a plan to exert Himself later on. By then though it was too late When almost Saacids entire cabinet were actively undermining Him according to Culusow's wishes. Culusow had to use a lot of political capital to fight that, which I'm sure weakened Him. However one thing I do know for a fact that many people do not realize is that Saacid and Abdiweli are close and really good friends. I'm sure He's gotten some advice.

Yes they are good friends and have kind of similar ideas for both the nation and for their clan. And yes Saacid was more reconciliatory in his early part of his rule. This is understandable since it was the first government to be formed that was not under transitional phase. And many Somalis had high hopes during back then. And in general when our clansmen are in power in the Somali government they tend to stick to their role and abide mostly to the nationalistic requirement that they need to follow, which is a good thing. But sadly most Somalis sees this as a weak thing, because the tribal nature of our people has still not died yet. They belief the more a leader cares about his tribe the more stronger he is. Hence why you assumed Saacid was under the control of Culuusow even though he wasn't.

In Siyaasad You have to throw morale code iyo waxaas out the window. From the most sophisticated nations like North America, Europe, to Somalia, no politican is a saint, or doing what they're doing for the 'good of the nation'. Every politican has their own personal ambition or interest and thats reality. In My mind I think Saacid's strategy was to lay low, and then start to implement His vision whatever that was however that turned out to be ineffective because in those few months Culusow pretty much usurped all the power which gave credence to the whole notion that the PM was a puppet, which lets be honest was a insult to His direct subclan Marehan and Darood as a whole. The whole power sharing agreement amongst the clans i.e Darood, Hawiye, D&M, Dir was muddled, but I think now its kind of closer to where its supposed to be.

[metamorphosis]

Even if Sierra Leonne arrive in Kismaayo (which some of them already did) and Kenya leave Kismaayo this will not change the game for Daarood. Because the two groups are challenging each other for Kismaayo are Ogaden/Kablalax and Mareexaan.

Also most of Somali leaders are tribalist to a certain level. Culusoow is as much tribalistic as Baldy.

What is shameful is that we Somalis are still doing clan rivalry.

You need to stop mentioning our name along with kablalax bastarad yahay!

[XimanJaale]

In Siyaasad You have to throw morale code iyo waxaas out the window. From the most sophisticated nations like North America, Europe, to Somalia, no politican is a saint, or doing what they're doing for the 'good of the nation'. Every politican has their own personal ambition or interest and thats reality. In My mind I think Saacid's strategy was to lay low, and then start to implement His vision whatever that was however that turned out to be ineffective because in those few months Culusow pretty much usurped all the power which gave credence to the whole notion that the PM was a puppet, which lets be honest was a insult to His direct subclan Marehan and Darood as a whole. The whole power sharing agreement amongst the clans i.e Darood, Hawiye, D&M, Dir was muddled, but I think now its kind of closer to where its supposed to be.

Sure no politician is a saint. However all leaders have the duty to carry out their nationalistic duty for the sake of the country, because they are the leaders of the country. Also for a failed state, our leaders have no time for double crossing or personal ambition because for A. Our country is unpredictable and B. The only ambition you can have is making the failed state into a non-failed state. Because what ambitions can one gain from a failed state? Some few haram money? We are not like America where we are rich, advanced and peaceful enough to fool our citizens.

Back to Saacid, obviously Culusow will over power him because:
1. Culusoow is the president (highest title)
2. Culusoow was always mostly in Mogadishu, so he has close connections
3. Finally Culusoow had non-local support from foreign countries that gave him the money to bribe. Because in Somalia it is money that does all the talking because sadly our majority of our parliament are greedy bastards.