the main difference between saacid and abdi wali

[XimanJaale]

Even if Sierra Leonne arrive in Kismaayo (which some of them already did) and Kenya leave Kismaayo this will not change the game for Daarood. Because the two groups are challenging each other for Kismaayo are Ogaden/Kablalax and Mareexaan.

Also most of Somali leaders are tribalist to a certain level. Culusoow is as much tribalistic as Baldy.

What is shameful is that we Somalis are still doing clan rivalry.

You need to stop mentioning our name along with kablalax bastarad yahay!

ok inadeer.

[metamorphosis]

Thanks bro.

[sahal80]

Even if Sierra Leonne arrive in Kismaayo (which some of them already did) and Kenya leave Kismaayo this will not change the game for Daarood. Because the two groups are challenging each other for Kismaayo are Ogaden/Kablalax and Mareexaan.

Also most of Somali leaders are tribalist to a certain level. Culusoow is as much tribalistic as Baldy.

What is shameful is that we Somalis are still doing clan rivalry.

jaale, let us put it this way: centralists vs regionalists!

Pm abdiwali is a regionalist. This doesn't mean consparing with every region againist the govt though he may try to have good relations with them, its all about jubba.

He believes that you should unite to have a regional admin like puntland etc and he's alse a pessimist abit about xamar, thus, wants to leave some tribal legacy behind him



Murax

Its not about control, basically saacids camp was totally different camp, its a very large camp with its different political thought, thus, he was there because of them and at one point they were the govts allies.

That why I often use the term mudugian pm.

Dj interests and saacid group cant working together

Abdiwali is not a mudugian but nowadays there's some fear of him creating a new regional power.

[XimanJaale]

sahal,

ah I see what you mean. The centralist camp VS federal camp. I agree with you that Baldy is part of the federal camp whilst Culusoow is part of the centralist camp. I'm like Culusoow I'm part of the centralist camp.

[sahal80]

sahal,

ah I see what you mean. The centralist camp VS federal camp. I agree with you that Baldy is part of the federal camp whilst Culusoow is part of the centralist camp. I'm like Culusoow I'm part of the centralist camp.

That is it. But abdiwali is not all-federal, more on to particular region(jubba)

What's the problem?

Culusow wants to keep kismayo under xamars direct control and since he is part of the govt he calls for him to cooperate on this then he will stay as the pm forever

Pm abdi wali doesn't trust all this and wants to impower himself with the region instead and sends messages to IGAD. That's why they were part of the motion against culusow. This would not have happened under saacid!.

This means no culusow bases in there and for this reason he started pressing againist kenya and using burundi who commands amisom. in this month, the command will be given to siarralione, djibouti is also heading there.

[XimanJaale]

I get you, but why would Culusoow only want Kismaayo under the direct rule of the central government? Why is Culusoow so focused on Kismaayo only? How come he doesn't care about ruling Baydhabo? or Beledweyne? I sense that Culusoow is not a centralist out of daacadnimo but he is just doesn't want Kismaayo under Daarood hegemony. And for that reason Culusoow is nothing but a tribalist himself.

[sahal80]

I get you, but why would Culusoow only want Kismaayo under the direct rule of the central government? Why is Culusoow so focused on Kismaayo only? How come he doesn't care about ruling Baydhabo? or Beledweyne? I sense that Culusoow is not a centralist out of daacadnimo but he is just doesn't want Kismaayo under Daarood hegemony. And for that reason Culusoow is nothing but a tribalist himself.

allahu aclam but what I know is that he sees all the south-central somalia as as the same, that there are centralist plans for every region including southren mudug.

The constitution supports the central govt but they are not yet extending this to the north.

Relations are good now with puntland who stopped her interventions

Good examples are welcoming the constitutional commission and attam handing himself over to the central govt.

[XimanJaale]

I get you, but why would Culusoow only want Kismaayo under the direct rule of the central government? Why is Culusoow so focused on Kismaayo only? How come he doesn't care about ruling Baydhabo? or Beledweyne? I sense that Culusoow is not a centralist out of daacadnimo but he is just doesn't want Kismaayo under Daarood hegemony. And for that reason Culusoow is nothing but a tribalist himself.

allahu aclam but what I know is that he sees all the south-central somalia as as the same, that there are centralist plans for every region including southren mudug.

The constitution supports the central govt but they are not yet extending this to the north.

Relations are good now with puntland who stopped her interventions

Good examples are welcoming the constitutional commission and attam handing himself over to the central govt.

I will see. But things don't look good, to the ordinary Somalis they see Culusoow as a tribalist. Focusing on Kismaayo so much and ignoring Marka and other parts of Lower Shabelle, also he ignores Hiiraan issue, he ignores the Galmdudug/Ximan&Xeeb issue etc. He only shows more interest in Kismaayo. Indeed Somalis will get suspicious and many of them already have. As you can see all the anti-Culusoow sentiment that has grown among Somalis lately.

[thegoodshepherd]

The main difference is that Abdiweli is working for his people Darood. He suppourts Jubaland and the unification of absame and sade. he understands that is these two clans agree and unite that the power of Darood will instantly double.
Abdiweli wants to unite his people, he is a federalist and wants Sade and Absame to work together for their own benefit.
A united absame and sade would be the most powerful somali force in esistance.

Ohh how I will celebrate when Marehan and Ogaden rule together

[Murax]

Sahal,

Me I like to hadalka inaan ku soo koobo in as little words as possible. Bottom line is whether there were reasons for it or not Saacid was pretty much controlled by culusow, while Abdiweli is not. That's the main difference and everything after that are sub reasons.

[LightAtNight]

Sahal,

Me I like to hadalka inaan ku soo koobo in as little words as possible. Bottom line is whether there were reasons for it or not Saacid was pretty much controlled by culusow, while Abdiweli is not. That's the main difference and everything after that are sub reasons.

Saccid and culusow's views were more Insinc and he was not controlled. I think it was a mistake to get rid of saccid in hindsight, he was more pro Hag. Abdiweli is anti-HG and pro Kablax. President hassan can see this but can do nothing about it.... am sure he would fire him if he could, but he cant afford the political instability that would follow, Abdiweli knows this and tries to take advantage of it while culusow watches...

[whitehartlane]

I can see prime minister cabdiweli being the jubaland president in the very near future..

I surely can see that..

Villa somalia is a breeding ground for future darood leaders..thr current prime minister is as much of a qabilist as the current president. But unlike the president cabdiweli has a seat ready waiting for him. Maybe hassan sheikh can go to canada or australia to study esol...whilst cabdiweli is heading to kismaayo..

[LightAtNight]

I can see prime minister cabdiweli being the jubaland president in the very near future..

I surely can see that..

Villa somalia is a breeding ground for future darood leaders..thr current prime minister is as much of a qabilist as the current president. But unlike the president cabdiweli has a seat ready waiting for him. Maybe hassan sheikh can go to canada or australia to study esol...whilst cabdiweli is heading to kismaayo..

Deluded MJ

[whitehartlane]

Well according to you mister munaafiq I can be as deluded as you like, but everyone agrees that the prime minister is pro federal and specifically more pro jubaland. He is part of the new generation somali leaders, farmaajo, gaas,..

My understanding is that he can be one of the two either follow the footsteps of gaas or farmaajo. So far he is following the footsteps of Gaas. If you go back to the era of gaas period, you will be able to identify the similarities of their work. They are both primeministers that have been selected by a president that has fired a cousin of them, one supported puntland with garowe one and garowe two agreements while the other secured jubaland's official international recognition through agreements signed in addis ababa plus still working towards the reconciliation of the 2 camps in the jubaland affairs. Whilst facing a pro hag group that are only focused on keeping somalia disabled so a few of them can continue enjoying themselves at the cost of their own hawiye folks....where are your federal government? Where is your progression? What have you been doing since the establishment of puntland and jubaland? People are people whether darood or hawiye but leaders are of different quality. ..


Unlike farmaajo cabdiweli is preparing his homecoming party. Jubalands next ruler will be a mareexaan (just to satiafy the cunts ehumm excuse me) and cabdiweli is currently the most established candidate whether mareexaan or kablalax. The only other contestant is also a fellow mareexaan farmaajo . Unfortunately his out of office activities haven't been really eye catching.

All the current signs are leading to the caleema saarka libaaxa jubaland. Axmed madoobe has done very well I am glad with his work but we are somewhat stuck with him. Cabdiweli baldi would definitely take us to the next level.

My question to hawiyestruggler is, what have your leaders been upto besides xaasidnimi ma hee..
I can see cabdulahi yusufs legacy ina sharmaarke , cabdiweli gaas and the new cabdiweli axmad madoobe Faroole. ...what is hassan sheikhs legacy? Failure in undermining darood!!!!!!!!

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Me I like to hadalka inaan ku soo koobo in as little words as possible. Bottom line is whether there were reasons for it or not Saacid was pretty much controlled by culusow, while Abdiweli is not. That's the main difference and everything after that are sub reasons.

for me, the only different thing between them is having different thoughts but in reality they had/have the same superficial power, saacid was depend on inside-camps, abdi wali depends on not true-friends camps as they say the enemy of enemy is my friend

When the pm is puntlander, he has the full backing of puntland but does abduwali have the same support in his region?

He's trying to create such stage but there's real power struggle and may caust him!

Already some people inside the regime are started accusing him of lacking a local legitimacy!

For this reason, he may not deliver his thoughts

You need to understand that the regime has a powerful well-established relations and even geopolitical contracts with ethiopia can threating him, and going againist him is a kinda swimming against the current.


What I agree with is pm abdi wali having the political will but he's watched closely they also using some military channels


There's an office wich is the real cabinet and is called "policy unit" that one makes every thing including the presidents current visit to egypt.

That guy saadaat caliyoow who was visiting secretly puntland and somaliland though their meetings have been publically exposed is chairing it

This means not matter official visits in reality!.