the main difference between saacid and abdi wali

[Murax]

Already some people inside the regime are started accusing him of lacking a local legitimacy!

For this reason, he may not deliver his thoughts
!.

Did it possibly occur to You that people question Culusow's legitimacy too?


Hey I never said Abdiwali has all the power, but nobody does at the end of the day. All I said is Abdiwali is not controlled by Culusow like the previous pm, do You disagree with that?

[MarsinQorahay]

saacid nin waalan oo bila dhiig ah ayuu aha.

[sahal80]

Already some people inside the regime are started accusing him of lacking a local legitimacy!

For this reason, he may not deliver his thoughts
!.

Did it possibly occur to You that people question Culusow's legitimacy too?


Hey I never said Abdiwali has all the power, but nobody does at the end of the day. All I said is Abdiwali is not controlled by Culusow like the previous pm, do You disagree with that?

no I don't agree!

You don't know your adeer very good! I guess this point needs a thread: pm abdi wali a double edged knife!. See you soon!.

[Murax]

Sahal,

Do do You think Culusow controls him?

[XimanJaale]

Did it possibly occur to You that people question Culusow's legitimacy too?


Hey I never said Abdiwali has all the power, but nobody does at the end of the day. All I said is Abdiwali is not controlled by Culusow like the previous pm, do You disagree with that?

How many times do I have to tell you? There is no such things a leader controlling another leader. This is Somalia dude where people are unruly! Just because Saacid had similar vision as Culusoow does not mean he was controlled by Culusoow.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Do do You think Culusow controls him?

The man is still new, he now seeks to have his relations etc nothing has been reached yet, the old system is still there... I agree with you he's not like saacid but the regime is very well established; cabinet, army, intelligence, parliament etc

In other words the system he's working within now is not his

This is a big world, unlike of the TFG, in this system, every minister and official has some ties with dj and their men no matter of his clan background, its all about interests!

What he's doing now in gedo could be the start this if he succeeds, next the whole jubba etc

Like I said at the moment he's kinda double edged sword. All what the websites are saying are too early and untrue, he's a hard negotiator, wants to change the system so he can weaken the president but no clashes yet only conspiracies

In my opinion there will be a third pm by the end of 2015 in order to keep their system going on, this means abdi wali losing all his abroad and local relations unlike of what he plans.

Read more about the book of abdi wali.
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[Murax]

Sahal,

Now I understand what You're saying. Ofcourse in terms of influence Xassan Sh, Abdiwali are nowhere close, and that overall in terms of the system this is Culusow's system in place for the most part since He was there first from the beginning, not to mention He was in Mogadishu his whole life while the PM has been abroad for 25 years. If thats not enough, before Abdiwali came Culusow pretty much doing both the President and PM role giving Him a lot of power.




So while I agree with You that Culusow is more influential than Abdiwali and probably has more power, it has not stopped Abdiwali from doing things the way He wants to do them and I respect that. What has made Me Anti Culusow is in hindsight I don't feel that He appointed Saacid as a legitimate partner, but He wanted Him to be someone He can control and to be a micromanager. Instead of having someone who is extremely capable and will bring a new perspective, new ideas He wanted someone to just obey orders. This to Me revealed that Culusow is very, very Reer Baadiye and unsophisticated. He think if He appoints someone who is extremely capable they will do afgambi on Him.

[sahal80]

Sahal,

Now I understand what You're saying. Ofcourse in terms of influence Xassan Sh, Abdiwali are nowhere close, and that overall in terms of the system this is Culusow's system in place for the most part since He was there first from the beginning, not to mention He was in Mogadishu his whole life while the PM has been abroad for 25 years. If thats not enough, before Abdiwali came Culusow pretty much doing both the President and PM role giving Him a lot of power.




So while I agree with You that Culusow is more influential than Abdiwali and probably has more power, it has not stopped Abdiwali from doing things the way He wants to do them and I respect that. What has made Me Anti Culusow is in hindsight I don't feel that He appointed Saacid as a legitimate partner, but He wanted Him to be someone He can control and to be a micromanager. Instead of having someone who is extremely capable and will bring a new perspective, new ideas He wanted someone to just obey orders. This to Me revealed that Culusow is very, very Reer Baadiye and unsophisticated. He think if He appoints someone who is extremely capable they will do afgambi on Him.

Though your are getting it abit its not just about local influence, its about westren relations too and we were comparing abdi wali to saacid not to hassan!

The whole administration belongs to hassan and countries like the US and UK are behind this! This means whatever IGAD tries no one can remove hassan sheekh!

This goes back to his CRD era. In this world of politics, pm abdi wali has zero relations and now he's trying to misuse or use some of the current agendas for his own sake!

Politically speaking hassan sheekh has appointed abdiwali for his financial welfare, to attract the gulf countries...pm abdi wali is planning to use this for his own agenda and to enter the west from the gulf window but by the end of next year there will be some major thing that the west is backing it so the plan is to get rid of abdi wali at that stage, this will prevent from him reaching his agenda of becoming a presidential candidate who enjoys the gulf support!

Secondly, without exaggeration, president hassan can fire pm abdi wali any time, it just depends on the circumstances but he has all the power to remove him if he decides

I mean not far was when the previous pm was ousted, what happened or what are the reasons to remove another one without some thing major not happening? No point.

If I give you an example of the system he works within not being his and that it was already existing, look at the costitutional commission! these guys were around the villa before him, sharif hassan crew, godah and xoosh etc.

[TheblueNwhite]

Abdiweli gets disrespected constantly and he can't even do shyte. Whats the point of being a PM if your ministers are not taking your calls or go MIA whenever you call for a meeting.

Abdiweli is punk. He called Waceysle niggas to beg them to talk to Hassan Sheikh for him. He has no balls. He is a just a statue.

[XimanJaale]

Abdiweli gets disrespected constantly and he can't even do shyte. Whats the point of being a PM if your ministers are not taking your calls or go MIA whenever you call for a meeting.

Abdiweli is punk. He called Waceysle niggas to beg them to talk to Hassan Sheikh for him. He has no balls. He is a just a statue.

No baldy is a regionalist instead of nationalist whilst culusoow is a tribalist. They are all useless

[Khalid Ali]

Simple saacid was a yes man

This man abdi wali has his own vision and plans he travels to addis ababa and i am hearing he wants to adress the UN instead of culusow in September, i am sure he backs Jubba land to he day in day night on the Phone with the garowe leader