lower shabelle, conflict area explained

[Xildiiid]

I'll give you an example,

Isaaq in sool is right to fight in laascanood, For how long I don't know laakiin currently they have the right to fight. Simply because the fight is done by dhulbahante who are okay with somali land. So in that regards there are no injustices committed. Can we say about the same in Marka..

Why are you mentioning Isaaq in a thread about Somalia and Shabeellaha Hoose?


But just to refute your nonsense. Isaaq inhabit Sool and our towns in Sool (who are also major towns) such as Caynaba, Wadaamago, Oog, Bohol, Xudun etc. are all under Somaliland. Pro SL Dhulbahante backed by the national army are capturing the remaining areas mainly south eastern Sool.


With that said don't you ever mention Isaaq, Sool or Somaliland. It's none of your business.


Ilaahay Somaliya ayuu ku baday you get me?

[Murax]

Murax the thing is not he is helping Habargedir i doubt he is helping them , Somali wa bahaloobeen the issue here is , there supposed to be a government that should halt the fighting of warring clans the Dir in other words are saying naga soo gaadha walana karbaashay eh Meeday dawladi Both the dir and the Habargedir are not innocent when 2 clans fight there is no innocent clan there are two opposing clans.

If Xassan Sh had a army and was able to but refused, that would be one case. However He Has absolutely no ability to do anything. Back in the days of Siyaad Barre, whenever there was a War between any clans in Mudug regardless if they were MR/MJ/MJ etc. the National Army would immedietely come inbetween and forcibly end the conflict. There's nothing Xassan Sh can do.

[Khalid Ali]

But Murax are u saying xaassan shekh has no militia at all the SFG has no miltiia to intervene or are u saying they dont have the consent of the people there and the people will not consider them national army.

[Murax]

But Murax are u saying xaassan shekh has no militia at all the SFG has no miltiia to intervene or are u saying they dont have the consent of the people there and the people will not consider them national army.

The National Army are all meleeshyo beeleed. Doqonki Dalxiis, when the so called Army was being formed, His admin wasted the money that was supposed to go to developing an Army and instead He Had beel kasto send their militiamen and they were given military uniforms, weapons. Ofcourse a lot of those weapons/uniforms were later on sold to AS who used it to carry out attacks wearing "Gov" Uniforms. This is why You have a lot of the 'ciidan qaran' wearing macawis with dacas, ak47 and a old addidas T Shirt. So to answer Your question the ciidan qaran in LS are all clan militias be they Dir/HG or whatever. Right now looks like HG have Marka on lock.

[sahal80]

But Murax are u saying xaassan shekh has no militia at all the SFG has no miltiia to intervene or are u saying they dont have the consent of the people there and the people will not consider them national army.

Not directly except banadir not even all banadir, mugaab is now changing it like his attack on kaaraan and ahmed daaci in madina hardly accepting the orders after he was given every thing!

In out of banadir, the govt uses amisom against the commanders

Commanders have their own check points, will join the clan wars and the govt has to use amisom and send new armies who are connected with her directly

What this interior suggesting is to bring a mix of regional armies from gobolada and place them under a newly appointed commanders as you cant remove the old ones who own their militias and with the time dissolve the militias slowly

Like murax said hassan sheekh is not a a position to help biimaal not just he had no real amy but also will cost him bc all of them are SNA who are fighting for him againist al shabaab

Any intervention will result a bad situation againist the govt

In the future things may change.

[Murax]

Sahal,


How about Shabelle State? Axmed Diiriye is threatening the PM saying We will stay in Marka, and He is also saying that Marka is going to be part of Shabelle State

[sahal80]

Sahal,


How about Shabelle State? Axmed Diiriye is threatening the PM saying We will stay in Marka, and He is also saying that Marka is going to be part of Shabelle State

President hassan has tired of telling diiriye, xaad and tarsan to just shut up but you know no one can act against them publically

Just don't take him serious bc the lower shabelle file is in the ministry of interior and as for regional political settlement, it will be part of the southwest state but as a local administration it will stay a non-clan zone and under the central govts order.

[Bro]

@ Dir from gobollada dhexe vs Hawiye,
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Didn't know snet was filled with delusional characters, if sprouting false accusations helps you deal with your miserable daily lives so be it, but no man will stand their and let you take whats rightfully his and that is what this govt has done repetitively, by giving districts and towns to hawiye members who had no rights to any of those positions in the first place, Xasan Sheekh is responsible for whats taking place in both Shabelles or why else would this go on for nearly two years without him acknowledging so much as a word whilst falsely labeling innocent families all throughout both shabelles as being part of Alshabab is beyond me when in fact for the last two years Alshabab have been bombing the crap out of Mogudisho. I will continue being the voice of reason in which some of idiots dislike, all I can say to that is, get use to it.

Ciidamada Deegaanka Oo Xalay Weerar ku qaaday Mooryaanta Ku Sugan Magaalada Marka. Dagaalka ayaa kasoo Biloowday Isbitaalka Magaalada Marka iyadoo Markii dambe dagaalka uu soo gaaray Bartamaha Magaalada gaar ahaan Hotel Aaran oo ay ku jireen Hogaamiyo Kooxeed-yada Uu soo diray Xasan Culusow .

[GIJaamac]

@ Dir from gobollada dhexe vs Hawiye,
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Didn't know snet was filled with delusional characters, if sprouting false accusations helps you deal with your miserable daily lives so be it, but no man will stand their and let you take whats rightfully his and that is what this govt has done repetitively, by giving districts and towns to hawiye members who had no rights to any of those positions in the first place, Xasan Sheekh is responsible for whats taking place in both Shabelles or why else would this go on for nearly two years without him acknowledging so much as a word whilst falsely labeling innocent families all throughout both shabelles as being part of Alshabab is beyond me when in fact for the last two years Alshabab have been bombing the crap out of Mogudisho. I will continue being the voice of common sense in which some of idiots dislike, all I can say to that is, get use to it.

Ciidamada Deegaanka Oo Xalay Weerar ku qaaday Mooryaanta Ku Sugan Magaalada Marka. Dagaalka ayaa kasoo Biloowday Isbitaalka Magaalada Marka iyadoo Markii dambe dagaalka uu soo gaaray Bartamaha Magaalada gaar ahaan Hotel Aaran oo ay ku jireen Hogaamiyo Kooxeed-yada Uu soo diray Xasan Culusow .

abaayo armaani

Care to elaborate ?

[Bro]

Habaryar, play clueless all you want, you and I both know the truth.

The biggest mistake HG made in lower shabelle was to invest in and build already existing towns. They should have just form new towns much like Ceelasha biyaha. Dhibka maanta ka jirto gobolka kama jireen saan aaminsanahay.

Now kindly show proof of these investments?

[sahal80]

Habr Gedir and Biimaal clan militias clash for a second day outide of Qoryooley. Casualities not known.

Would you look at that.

AMISOM forces set up base of operations in Danow village, outside Qoryooley.

Best solution to this ongoing skirmishes I've heard in this thread thus far has been, lets remove the fufus/SNA and may the strongest survive.

these are the front line SNA who's a mixed, they are even fghting at buurhakabo. Ilaahow midee umada!.

[GIJaamac]

Abaayo armaani

I don't know the truth you're talking about. Again, care to elaborate ?

[Bro]

^ Habaryar Giiga aka kamaal45 aka libaaxyare aka 1moonlight, apparently these broke HG/SNA sandal wearing mooriyaans have invested in S/hoose, I'd like to see a single source please? Unless your pulling strings of BS out of your rear end as usual.

Do you even know that the conflict is limited to marko-barawe highway and not to the afgooye-walawen-burhakaba high-way?
That there is no conflict in the majority of lower shabelle wich consists 7 districts that are afgooye, walawen, qoryoleey, kuntuwarey, sablaale, baraawe and MARKA

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Qoryooley isn't walking distance to Marka. Which some of the early fights started and still ongoing and seemingly made its way around the region. Not to mention their were fights in Jannale and other areas.
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Habr Gedir and Biimaal clan militias clash for a second day outide of Qoryooley. Casualities not known.

AMISOM forces set up base of operations in Danow village, outside Qoryooley.

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Qaafow forces ongoing clashes with beesha Jiiddu are deeming down if not at its peak not too long ago in Wanlaweyn
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Ciidamada Gen. Qaafow (abgaal) and Ciidamada Digil ayee dagaalkan dhexeysa over isbaaro bari hore la dhigay.

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Bottomline, all those other regions don't mount up to caasimada which is far more important. You should know that
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Gen dhagabadan has formed a DIR militia inside the SNA and HG were able to influence on hassan sheekh to remove him, since than, the army has splitted more but this move was expected or get worse

if the general was still operating in there

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Stop lying bro, your attempts at tormenting this man's legacy as being someone who supports clanish skirmishes is BS, I'm afraid your confusing this individual with your qabiliste adeer laqanyo. Gen Dhagabaden has supported and left his mark on Xamar and diminished the presence of shabab in Xamar without him and diini today; Xamar is experiencing far more tragic bombings since their departure at the same, which had nothing to do with your fiction stories. War waxaan been badana.
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In the 90s this high way was a pro-HG including biimaals, the biimaal were one of the gen aideed SNA basic elements just like the akhiro moog of sheekhaal, they got splitted after and the situation get worse during abdi qasim era where HG formed a new coalition with other central somalia elements

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Most of the orders and hits committed by SSNM was carried out by Abdi Aziz Sh. Yusuf whom betrayed his Biimaal brethens in numerous occasions which caused the friction and eventually led to splitting apart. Warsame isaaq was always clueless as what was going on, he mentioned in an interview before his death that he never supported Caydiid but it was all Abdiaziz's plan.
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Here are the 13 clans in the region which are non-hawiye aside from Sheekhaal. Where do all these other hawiye clans you mentioned live ? if not just afgoye, which I would agree.
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According to The Price of Peace: Somalia and the United Nations 1991-1994, the Biyamal are the majority clan in the Lower Shebelle (Gilkes 1994, 144).

Majorities fight while the minorities whine.
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Continue with your failed attempts at being an analyst, I'm out.

[TheblueNwhite]

lol. Dir from Xeeraale will be put down. You are not a threat to Habar Aji, forget Hawiye. If anyone is delusional is you, Xerale digri boy.

The Shabelle State Governor (Garre) is in Merca, why dont you do something about it. He is under Habar Aji protection.

Booto badanaa.

[Bro]

and who will put them down? You and your baked goods. Biimaal will have flowers like you turnover so fast it will make your head spin. Get back in the kitchen and let the real men handle their business.