The Federalism Train Is Moving

[Murax]

Good luck thwarting most Somalis wishes who are yearning for autonomy not central rule, in addition to the UN, US, EU, AU, etc. Either get on the train or be a spectator.


Southwest State
Jubba




Only Hiiraan, Galgaduud, M Shabelle left!


Love this pic of Cabdiweli along with the former 6 region president Nuunow along with the VP Maxamuud Sayyid. PM Abdiweli telling Maxamuud Sayyid, I know You're dissapointed but don't worry I got You just chill

[BlackVelvet]

Federalism to you = Darood getting twice as much representation as Hawiye (I can't be bothered to go look for your post but you know it's there)


Lets be honest, the only people who support it do it for that reason.


Xaqdarro meel ma lagu gaaro. I don't think you've thought it through who exactly benefits the most from autonomous regions who control their own resources. The Shell/Exxon contract contrary to all the mumbo jambo is actually from Galgaduud - Hobyo in particular. The uranium deposits are in Galgaduud. Banadir and M.Shabeelle are the capital. L.Shabelle regardless of who it joins has a massive Hawiye influence and when it comes to voting that region as well as Jubboyinka will show the facts.


Now again, think it through. If you believe this is the best thing for Somalia then fair enough. If you're cheerleading for the benefit of Darood sorry to burst your bubble.

[XimanJaale]

Jasmine,

Federalism was not invented by Somalis. It is a global political system.

Both Hawiye and Daarood are tribalistic thugs. For example Hawiye are simply refusing Federalism out of clan motives and not because of nationalistic motives whilst the Daarood are supporting federalism for clan motives and not nationalistic motives.

Either way you are not sincere and far from nationalistic, so no point on attacking Murax.


It seems like tribalism hasn't died yet.

[FarhanYare]

ximaanjaale don't you think that was the pot calling the kettle black

you are not sincere and far from nationalistic,

[Murax]

Federalism to you = Darood getting twice as much representation as Hawiye (I can't be bothered to go look for your post but you know it's there)


Lets be honest, the only people who support it do it for that reason.


Xaqdarro meel ma lagu gaaro. I don't think you've thought it through who exactly benefits the most from autonomous regions who control their own resources. The Shell/Exxon contract contrary to all the mumbo jambo is actually from Galgaduud - Hobyo in particular. The uranium deposits are in Galgaduud. Banadir and M.Shabeelle are the capital. L.Shabelle regardless of who it joins has a massive Hawiye influence and when it comes to voting that region as well as Jubboyinka will show the facts.


Now again, think it through. If you believe this is the best thing for Somalia then fair enough. If you're cheerleading for the benefit of Darood sorry to burst your bubble.

Yes and central rule for others is clannizing the capital, holding on and building on illegal looted property while still ruling over others in other regions. The difference between us walaal is I am the ultimate pragmatist. I accept and support that Mogadishu is and alway swill remain a clan city that belongs to Hawiye. As a result, I am fiercely pro Federalism for the remaining regions. However I do not blame You for wanting Your cake and wanting to eat it too.

[XimanJaale]

ximaanjaale don't you think that was the pot calling the kettle black

you are not sincere and far from nationalistic,

Don't bother calling me a tribalist, I'am Daarood and against federalism. The reason I'am against federalism is I see it as a new mechanism that will fuel more clan war. If Somalis put aside tribalism I would had supported federalism however that is not the case. For Somalis federalism=tribalism. They have misinterpreted what federalism actually means.

Also I have never called myself a nationalistic. Just because I want a united and strong Somalia does not mean I'am a nationalistic person. Czech Republic is the least nationalistic country in the world, yet they are not killing each other like Somalis. I just want a peaceful cohesive Somalia.

[StormShadow]

Jasmine, even if the uranium in Galgaduud was mined the people in that region would not see a penny and would turn into another Niger catastrophe. Nothing good comes out of a total centralism which the Hawiye support. Centralism only enriches few politicians on the top, you need federalism so you can hold your Governor accountable.

ps, There's no Hawiye in Jubooyinka just few HG drug planters who got chased away.

[XimanJaale]

Yes and central rule for others is clannizing the capital, holding on and building on illegal looted property while still ruling over others in other regions. The difference between us walaal is I am the ultimate pragmatist. I accept and support that Mogadishu is and alway swill remain a clan city that belongs to Hawiye. As a result, I am fiercely pro Federalism for the remaining regions. However I do not blame You for wanting Your cake and wanting to eat it too.

Not really. Both unitary government or federal government can be feasible for Somalia unless tribalism is put aside, the most feasible system for Somalis is unitary government.

Remember even if federal system is adopted there will still be a central government in power that has the power over the federal member states. However since Somalis lack the knowledge of federal system it will just bring more chaos than solve our problem. Please go learn what federal system is.

[XimanJaale]

Jasmine, even if the uranium in Galgaduud was mined the people in that region would not see a penny and would turn into another Niger catastrophe. Nothing good comes out of a total centralism which the Hawiye support. Centralism only enriches few politicians on the top, you need federalism so you can hold your Governor accountable.

ps, There's no Hawiye in Jubooyinka just few HG drug planters who got chased away.

70% of the world does NOT have a federal system. Federal system is adopted for complicated circumstances in which Somalia does not have. It was silly for Somalia to even adopt the federal system. A country that shares 1 language, 1 religion and 1 people.

[Murax]

Yes and central rule for others is clannizing the capital, holding on and building on illegal looted property while still ruling over others in other regions. The difference between us walaal is I am the ultimate pragmatist. I accept and support that Mogadishu is and alway swill remain a clan city that belongs to Hawiye. As a result, I am fiercely pro Federalism for the remaining regions. However I do not blame You for wanting Your cake and wanting to eat it too.

Not really. Both unitary government or federal government can be feasible for Somalia unless tribalism is put aside, the most feasible system for Somalis is unitary government.

Remember even if federal system is adopted there will still be a central government in power that has the power over the federal member states. However since Somalis lack the knowledge of federal system it will just bring more chaos than solve our problem. Please go learn what federal system is.

Its not knowledge its trust. Use Your head for just 1 second. Who accepts to be ruled from a a 'Capital City' turned clan village? Especially on the heels of a civil war. The answer is nobody. There will never be central rule in Somalia until all the major injustice in the capital is stopped and the Gov there takes genuine steps to return the rights of people that were wronged and are still waiting. Until then more and more regions will take it upon themselves to wash their hands from the Capital and build their own regional institutions.

[StormShadow]

70% of the world does NOT have a federal system. Federal system is adopted for complicated circumstances in which Somalia does not have. It was silly for Somalia to even adopt the federal system. A country that shares 1 language, 1 religion and 1 people.

What we need Centralism for when a region can support it's self on everyway?

[SultanOrder]

Hawiye don't know what to support as a clan. You have GalMudug which is fiercely pro Federalism but can't even meet the requirements to form a state. You have those that want to make Banaadir part of a federal state, then you have those in L Shabeelle who feel threatened by the three region state that will be dominated by Baidoa. Hiiraan thought they could split the gobal in half and form a Federal state rather than join GalGaduud or M Shabelle.

So things are moving and Hawiye is confused which way to go.

[StormShadow]

Hawiye don't know what to support as a clan. You have GalMudug which is fiercely pro Federalism but can't even meet the requirements to form a state. You have those that want to make Banaadir part of a federal state, then you have those in L Shabeelle who feel threatened by the three region state that will be dominated by Baidoa. Hiiraan thought they could split the gobal in half and form a Federal state rather than join GalGaduud or M Shabelle.

So things are moving and Hawiye is confused which way to go.

[Murax]

Jasmine wants to whip My back, take My home and my property in Xamar. Then when I run back to Gedo naked, she wants to give Me commands there

[BlackVelvet]

Jasmine,

Federalism was not invented by Somalis. It is a global political system.

Both Hawiye and Daarood are tribalistic thugs. For example Hawiye are simply refusing Federalism out of clan motives and not because of nationalistic motives whilst the Daarood are supporting federalism for clan motives and not nationalistic motives.

Either way you are not sincere and far from nationalistic, so no point on attacking Murax.


It seems like tribalism hasn't died yet.

Federalism in the Somali context is not a "global system". Why 2 gobols, why not 3 or 1?

I don't mind Federalism but only when people understand what it means and it is not being used for clan agenda. I am a nationalist. To me what benefits Somalia benefits Hawiye and what benefits Hawiye is a stable and peaceful Somalia.

So whether it's a federal republic or a national one isn't the issue. Go find a quote where I have said Hawiye should have double the representation of Darood.