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Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Xildiiid » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:37 pm

http://africa.widmi.com/index.php/ethio ... -and-awdal

Even in this reading it talks about it as well
Subjective thoughts from an Ethiopian forum is not proof, now let me correct you. Siyaad Barre and Mengistu signed a peace treaty in 1988 which meant that Siyaad Barre would stop supporting the TPLF and EPLF logistically and economically through the NSS, he would also give up the claims on the Somali region and in return Mengistu would kick out SNM from their base in Dirdhaba and throughout the Somali region.

The argument that SNM murdered 20k with the help of Mengistu is absurd. The man was losing territory to a successful rebel group and his army was confined to Addis after retreating from northern Ethiopia. How is it even possible for his army to launch attacks in Awdal in 91 when they were defeated in 91 by Meles and Afwerki?

Approximately 800 people died in Awdal because of revenge attacks carried out by some members of the SNM because their families were murdered by Gadubiirsi militia armed by Siyaad Barre. The attacks were denounced by the liberation movement and as a result the reconciliation and peace process in which SL was created took place in Borama.
Yeah he was losing ofcourse hes ganna find a way to stop you in his eyes snm is a rebellion. Look at that he gave up his claim on the somali region just to stop you people. He lost ogaden, he wasnt about to lose somaliland, he had a choice to make.

800 my ass u liar it was more than that it was in the thousands. The attacks were denounced because they wanted to play it smart, so they asked for forgiveness and forged an alliance . At this time in somalia everyone was uneasy with the government and siad barre was looking weak. The alliance with the hawiye was the last piece to the plan,snm took advantage of the instability. with no one to challange them in the north you can get away with it everything you did.

Their schemes needs to be brought to light, somaliland should stick to what there doing now intill the south can get its house in order and an agreemant can be made by all somalis in somalia to create and share a government.

your people have a bad track record the word independance can never come out of your mouths

Ad Hominems aside you haven't proved anything.


Everything I stated regarding the crimes committed by some SNM members is written in that HRW report called "a government at war with its own people". The report states;
Isaaq refugees we interviewed expressed anger at the stiff warnings they received from the SNM not to take revenge against civilian non-combatants who were not involved in the war. When non-Isaak civilians were armed, the SNM regarded them as an integral part of the government's fighting forces, and as such, legitimate targets to attack.
The SNM opposed revenge killings and when it happened they denounced it because it was against their rules. They didn't denounce because they were trying to "play it smart" as you're stating.

The report also states that approximately 800 individuals were murdered in Awdal. Either accept facts or prove those numbers of yours. Ironically the SNM killed more Isaaq (traitors) than they killed non Isaaq.

SNM had a temporary alliance with USC and SPM. The idea was to create a new union based on north-south power sharing. The idea was also to create a transitional government until democratic elections could be held but the USC and SPM failed to reach their goals so the SNM with the blessings of the people in SL reclaimed the territorial sovereignty and independence of our country.

We will never reunite with Somalia. You can keep that federalism nonsense to yourselves. :eat:


We have a democratically elected president and democratically elected MP's. The only democratic country in the Horn of Africa. We lost 54 years because of Somalia but now we're back on track. :stylin:

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:21 pm

Useless useless topic.
If you are not reer Borama do not speak for Borama, most slanders have never been to Borama anyways they only go to Hargeisa. How can they bring forth assumptions on a town they never visited :? smh.

I was in Borama for months, there is more "southerners" in Hargeisa. There's hardly any in Borama. People usually stop in Borama as a rest stop from Ethiopia etc. Before going into Hargeisa, so they don't stay for long.

Eye witness account BTW not snet kaftaan like you lot do.

, also the "southerners" don't own anything they rent.

Problem solved.

I would say there are more habashi barbers then southerners in Borama :? .

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Hodan94 » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:24 pm

in the cities ur bound to find foreigners..
which is why I prefer living in the outskirts or the tuulo's.
thankgod many of my family are reer miyi. I don't have to see random ajanabi's.

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:26 pm

The amount of southerners who will say to you they are from "Borama" but actually hail from a southern community is shocking. You can always
suss one out by just asking them their direct lineage and they will go around making excuses like I came here to make cambuulo or something.
Hopefully Hargeisa won't suffer from this problem in the near future.
What the fuck, again read my post, :? Borama is a tolerant town that is my guess on how they "claim it" wtf. But there really isn't a community. There's hardly any, But Hergeisa is a different story, they have neighbourhoods lol. There's even raxanweyne community in Hergeisa, there's more of them in hergeisa then Borama, and I went to Borama for months i am not cal caaling like you. o to Hergiesa for yourself then correct your self.


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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby STARKAST » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:39 pm

Temper Temper, i'm reer mudug and i've never heard us calling those below galkaayo southerners, we don't have that poisonous culture, we may use koonfur my retard.

Its sad when these cyber kids refute snm massacres in awdal.

Caesar, stand up for your clan, did snm massacre your people 20 yrs ago, ask your abbe, he'll prob remember details ?

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:49 pm

Starkast you are not reer Borama, so dont troll as you do with other threads and your millions of other accounts, If you want to say things about Somaliland, please do it from your own people or something. Not from Reer Borama. If you want to troll do it somewhere else do not use the death of people to do it. Austugfillah. Everyone please ignore the jahiil.


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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Classiq » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:47 pm

Ad Hominems aside you haven't proved anything.


Everything I stated regarding the crimes committed by some SNM members is written in that HRW report called "a government at war with its own people". The report states;
Isaaq refugees we interviewed expressed anger at the stiff warnings they received from the SNM not to take revenge against civilian non-combatants who were not involved in the war. When non-Isaak civilians were armed, the SNM regarded them as an integral part of the government's fighting forces, and as such, legitimate targets to attack.
The SNM opposed revenge killings and when it happened they denounced it because it was against their rules. They didn't denounce because they were trying to "play it smart" as you're stating.

The report also states that approximately 800 individuals were murdered in Awdal. Either accept facts or prove those numbers of yours. Ironically the SNM killed more Isaaq (traitors) than they killed non Isaaq.

SNM had a temporary alliance with USC and SPM. The idea was to create a new union based on north-south power sharing. The idea was also to create a transitional government until democratic elections could be held but the USC and SPM failed to reach their goals so the SNM with the blessings of the people in SL reclaimed the territorial sovereignty and independence of our country.

We will never reunite with Somalia. You can keep that federalism nonsense to yourselves. :eat:


We have a democratically elected president and democratically elected MP's. The only democratic country in the Horn of Africa. We lost 54 years because of Somalia but now we're back on track. :stylin:[/quote]

Im starting to believe u people have reoccurring nightmares of siad barre wow did he really scare you people like that? Spare yourself from embarrassment, look at it from my view. You people got slapped around several times and now you guys wanna run away from somalia loooool ok do it ill forever remember isaaqs as the people who got dirbaaxed and ran for the hills :lol: :lol:

Wallahi i thought u guys had balls turns out you people dont. Hawiye got slapped the most by that government, look at us now, when did we bitch up? Inshallah the south will look promising for every somali clan that reside there. As for you people i recommend therapy :lol:

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:55 pm

Classiq sxb you claim your hoyo is Gadabursi

listen you and I both know the truth, those who are brainwashed will remain brainwashed, there's no use really convincing those whose ears are blocked. Let's end it here sxb

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Classiq » Sun Jul 27, 2014 7:59 pm

Amiin

I will end it there i dont know what else to say to them.

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:02 pm

Amiin

I will end it there i dont know what else to say to them.
you have shown the truth sxb,it will be back and forth after this trust me

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Marques » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:07 pm

Caeser sxb when are we gonna turn upp in DJibouti it's been too long...show some love to your Karanle neighbours in Harrar :dj: :dj:

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Xildiiid » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:14 pm

Classiq aka Caesar

The aspirations of our people had nothing to do with Siyaad Barre. If you knew anything about Somali history you would know that the aspirations for a separate Somaliland started right after the illegal unification process and in 1961 (8 years before Siyaad Barre came to power) there was an attempted coup in which young military officers tried to reclaim the sovereignty of our country.

Is there something else you want me to disprove?

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Caesar » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:15 pm

Caeser sxb when are we gonna turn upp in DJibouti it's been too long...show some love to your Karanle neighbours in Harrar :dj: :dj:
ayyy marques :dj:

If you ever stop by wallahi i'll hook you up proper,
my fams run Djibouti
id give u names of the best spots n best stores n local tricks to have the greatest time :up:

djibouti no tribalism all somalis are welcome, tho we love our galbeedis :D

economics of djibouti :
somali rate : 10 dollars a night

cadaan rate :50 dollars a night LOOOOOOOOOOOL

swimming in the red sea, go karting, clubbing, eating pizza, chilling, beach parties, concerts, la vie de Djibouti

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Classiq » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:16 pm

Classiq aka Caesar

The aspirations of our people had nothing to do with Siyaad Barre. If you knew anything about Somali history you would know that the aspirations for a separate Somaliland started right after the illegal unification process and in 1961 (8 years before Siyaad Barre came to power) there was an attempted coup in which young military officers tried to reclaim the sovereignty of our country.

Is there something else you want me to disprove?
Illegal unification process? wasn't the plan to unite all 5 regions into 1 somalia ?

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Re: Should southerners be expelled from Borama?

Postby Xildiiid » Sun Jul 27, 2014 8:25 pm

The process was illegal. In reality there was no union between Somaliland and Somalia.

Now riddle me this..

if Somalia (who claims to represents the non existent Somali republic ) can't claim Djibouti, NFD or K5 on irredentist basis how can it claim SL? If we apply the same standard of logic then Somalia can't and should not claim SL.


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