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Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for darod

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby flyWOODY » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:32 pm

U Cannot have ur cake and eat it too... the darod need to go back to the drawing board. They miscalculated. I doubt the hawiye and the govt want this but as I said I think its a way to make federalism fail OR they are following the constiution.... you cant break a gobol in half.... puntland is only 16 years old. Centuries old empires that controlled miles thousands of miles existed and collapsed....and Puntland doesnt even control north mudug to be honest in the administrative sense. But ofcourse mj live there but Puntland authority doesnt strtch that far as effective

Hiiraan wanted to break itself in half but the darods started to scream bloody murder...

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby Khalid Ali » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:49 pm

I think the govt in xamar is trying to show what kind of farce clan federalism is

if Puntland pushes for a mudug to be divided into 2 regions than the whole 2 regions or more will be thrown in the bin this means , that Hiiraan bay and bakool can became all 4 states and more if they want. Puntland can do 2 things allow Mudug to join galguduud with a state darood to get big share in that state to share it with hawiye or dir or insist that Mudug is Puntland and try to control the entire Mudug as part of Puntland.If Mudug is divided nothing will stop other regions to be divided to.

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby HusseinHassan » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:22 pm

this thread is as much of a joke as the one who made it.
the proper response to this thread is this Image

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby BlackRain » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:46 pm

Lol this supposedly 'central state' brings together the most fierce clans in Somalia ( HG, Cumar Mohamud, Leelkase, Marehan). I don't see how these guys will share a conversation let alone a state

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby Casanova25 » Thu Jul 31, 2014 10:51 pm

I think the govt in xamar is trying to show what kind of farce clan federalism is

if Puntland pushes for a mudug to be divided into 2 regions than the whole 2 regions or more will be thrown in the bin this means , that Hiiraan bay and bakool can became all 4 states and more if they want. Puntland can do 2 things allow Mudug to join galguduud with a state darood to get big share in that state to share it with hawiye or dir or insist that Mudug is Puntland and try to control the entire Mudug as part of Puntland.If Mudug is divided nothing will stop other regions to be divided to.
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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby thegoodshepherd » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:32 pm

How can Cumar Maxamud be expected to share a state with HG??
This Gov is obviously not serious about implementing the federal constitution.

what I can't understand is WHY in the hell did PM Abdiweli agree to this?? :mindblown:
is he not suppoused to represent the interests of Darood??

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby FarhanYare » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:37 pm

OP,
Somaliland ka waran walanweyntan intaad naga dhaftiid?

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby STARKAST » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:14 am

To the OP: Focus about Waqooyi Galbeed.

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby quark » Fri Aug 01, 2014 5:25 am

How can Cumar Maxamud be expected to share a state with HG??
This Gov is obviously not serious about implementing the federal constitution.

what I can't understand is WHY in the hell did PM Abdiweli agree to this?? :mindblown:
is he not suppoused to represent the interests of Darood??
U too naive :lol:




To the OP: Focus about Waqooyi Galbeed.
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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby The_Emperior5 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:28 am

Gacanayare has a good point it doesnt really put the Darood clan into a negative spot if they want to safe federalism they should forge new ties with Hawiyes in the central regions i believe the PM does not want Marexaan to be minority in the new state if the darood part of Mudug Joins there will be some kind of balance.

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:38 am

Abdiweli should not worry. He is from central state and can even become the first President. Time for him to come home.

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby The_Emperior5 » Fri Aug 01, 2014 9:50 am

Yeah he can become a leader he just has to play the game ,, it is not to bad really its after all federalism abdiweli has signed to it..

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby Vengeance » Fri Aug 01, 2014 10:57 am

Sorry to wake you up from your dreams people, but Culus does not have the balls.


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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Aug 31, 2014 9:24 am

Darood nationalists on wardheernews agree with me that Mudug Joining galguduud is not bad for Pan Daroodism
THE SOMALI FEDERATION: CROSSING THE INITIAL HURDLES
August 29, 2014
By Ismail A. Ismail (Geeldoon)

“… the path of federalism never runs smoothly. Sooner or later all will experience difficult corners of traverses.” Ursula Hicks

A Brief Background

snmThe civil war in Somalia has not been without consequences. On the contrary, it has been cataclysmic in that it created long-lasting, if not permanent, fissures along clan lines, which to this day have not been healed. Though Siad Barre is blamed for promoting a Daarod hegemony while targeting the Hawiye and Isaaq, these latter forged, in turn, an anti-Daarod alliance and established their respective ‘liberation’ fronts – the USC and SNM. Furthermore, both fronts declined to join the Majerten SSDF, which predated them, because they could not trust a Daarod front, even though it was committed to and was actually fighting the Barre regime well before them.

Unlike the Ethiopian fronts, which were united under the umbrella of the EPRDF, the Somali fronts never even tried to open talks among themselves as to how they could merge and come up with a plan to heal the rifts between the clans and govern a united country post-Barre. Clan prejudice benumbed their minds, and as they shed more and more blood the national interest became more and more submerged in a welter of blinding hate. In the upshot, they went their own separate ways: the USC imploded and was sinking in a blood bath in what the International Community called later “The Triangle of Death”, the SNM secured the Isaaq-land, it being purely an Isaaq front, and the SSDF captured its own Majerten-land.

The SNM, however, moved quickly in 1991 to contrive a new ‘Somaliland’ based, from its own perspective, on the erstwhile ‘Somaliland Protectorate’ and declared secession. The Harti of Sool and Eastern Sanag felt insecure in a new ‘Somaliland’ where the Isaaq constituted a commanding majority, and led by a relatively well-armed Isaaq front (the SNM) which harbored ill-feelings towards the Daarod. In 1998 the SSDF countered by bringing together all the Harti sub-clans in a new administrative region called ‘Puntland’, which subsumed Sool and Eastern Sanag (both Harti areas), which were historically part of the former ‘Somaliland Protectorate’.



That was then. The reality today is that neither Puntland, nor ‘Somaliland’ is administratively integrated, or politically cohesive. The fronts are no more having thus been replaced by civil administrations, which blunted the sharp edges of clanism despite, inevitably, retaining its facade. As the years wore off, the situation has been perceptibly changing for the better, for time has a healing element. Rancor has given way to a greater social intercourse and continuing political, if at times acrimonious, dialogue.

But, we are by no means out of the woods as some facets of those ugly realities, which arrested progress, are still lingering. Surely, we have stepped out of that pitch darkness of the civil war period and entered the dawn of a new era: at least we are now plodding towards laying the foundations of a new Somali State. But, it might be a long dawn; and, alas, we may have to wait for many more years before the sun shines on our country again.

Read more -The Somali Federation : Crossing the Initial

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Re: Mudug entirely Joining central state is not to bad for d

Postby TheblueNwhite » Sun Aug 31, 2014 3:42 pm

this thread is as much of a joke as the one who made it.
the proper response to this thread is this Image
Pretty much.

Isku dir thread. Hawiye v Darod.


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