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[/quote]ethiopia has many rivers, after the blue nile they got another huge hydroelectric Project at gibe river, located in sidamo area in southwest

They got another small river in the north wich will cover the tegray region along side with the nile dam at bahar dar in the amhara region

The nile dame project will be too sold to the bordering countries so it means a lot of reveneu for the ethiopian regime

As for somalia, we will be effected too as china builds another dam at the mouth of juba river where it meets dawa river exactly on the borders

For this dam they r operating under IGAD, its an ethiopian-kenyan project and they added somalia on the list bc its powerless

At doloow on the ethiopian side, its a somali region..goes to kenya too through mandheera
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The f-king china has massively invaded east africa and even offers the loans to these projects so the west believes it could fuel regional conflicts

Since china is part of the problem, the westren countries have blocked ethiopia getting funds from the international financial institutions

Some are even refusing to receive the chinese loans

Ethiopia is big when it comes to the horn bc it uses the terrorism card but has no the same importance as egypt

Al sisi has also close relations with russia who sells him now the antey devensive missiles
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2015/03/05 ... -Antey2500



No one would blame egypt if it targets ethiopia as the last option


Haven't read the news today but the last time I cheked the talks in sudan have failed bc of ethiopia.[/quote]


This is a proxy war between China and the west, just like what's happening in south Sudan, kenya and ethiopia. They all chose to deal with China and because of that fact are going to get screwed. China has invited HSM to visit but I guess he knew the consequences of the backlash that will come with it.....but china is everywhere in africa, biggest stake holders, can't deny them...
as much as we hate ethiopia, you can't compare the level of hatred Eritreans have for them, so with nile situation, that's for the egyptian to deal with but I truly believe if it really comes to that point the west or the arab league would support egypt...

Estarix,

Saddat told Hafez that Egyptians airplanes were carrying out attacks inside Israel. If it wasn't for that blatant lie, the Syrians wouldn't have attack Israel and they wouldn't lose the Golan heights. There's a retired Syrian General, forgot his name, that talks about the failure and he mentions the betrayal of Egypt. Saddat didn't win the war nor did he reach his political goals, instead Syria lost one of its most fertile regions and water source.

The empty Arab bravado is well known. They won't attack the Ethiopians. It's all talk.

Now for Somalis in Ethiopia. They should forget about muslims. I don't get Somalis and their obsession with other Muslims. To hell with muslims, we're talking about Somali interests and Somalis should use the resources of Ethiopia to build their regions, get scholarships in different fields and work their way to the top. I know a couple Somali pilots from Ethiopia. They took their chance and they do not regret it. True Somalis in character, no qabiil talk and they do not wish to be Habeshas. Their land is part of Ethiopia and therefore Ethiopia has an obligation when it comes to their future. I support Somaliland but I hope the communities from Somaliland in Ethiopia use Ethiopian resources to build their region. The end goal is obviously Hawd and Somaliland reuniting but until then we have to work with the system an not against it. The same goes for other Somalis. Some parts of the Somali region is actually more fertile than the southern parts of neighboring Somalia. The diversity in climate also enables crops that can't grow in Somaliland or Somalia.

The Oromos are well represented. Many of the high ranking generals in the Ethiopian army are Oromo and the Ethiopian army is predominantly Oromo. For the Oromos two problems exist. The well represented community are the assimilated Oromos. Many of the famous Ethiopian kings and warriors were Oromo but they were converted by the weaker Amhara, Menelik an Haile Selassie being two examples. Even Mengistu was Oromo mixed with a a Bantu/Nilotic group that lives in south western Ethiopia. Nonetheless this group associate Christianity and indirectly Ethiopia with Habesha and Habesha culture and they would never go against the Habeshas because they're brainwashed. On the other hand, The poor Oromos are the Waaq worshipping farmers or Muslim agropastoralists. Who are at the bottom of the barrel. Just like the Somalis they are destructive and they haven't achieved anything. However this group is one step ahead of Somalis and they use Ethiopia to gain land inhabited by Somalis like Bale. When the original Somali region of Hararghe was split in 1994. Today the Afars are doing the same and they annexed land in Shiinile. We're the only group who's left behind because of our incompetence. You have people who romanticize about a nonexistent Somaliweyn, another group is content with the Kilil because they can dominate other Somalis. The worst are the ones I saw in Addis who chew and drink and live like bums while the Xaliimos get beat by all kinds of subhumans.

We have to think outside the f-king box.

Saddat told Hafez that Egyptians airplanes were carrying out attacks inside Israel. If it wasn't for that blatant lie, the Syrians wouldn't have attack Israel and they wouldn't lose the Golan heights. There's a retired Syrian General, forgot his name, that talks about the failure and he mentions the betrayal of Egypt. Saddat didn't win the war nor did he reach his political goals, instead Syria lost one of its most fertile regions and water source.

The empty Arab bravado is well known. They won't attack the Ethiopians. It's all talk.

Sure the Syrians were duped. The Egyptians were interested in a short war where they could make peace with Israel and gain back the Sinai. But when it came to the heat of the moment it showed that the Egyptians were willing to throw away there plans and do the honourable thing.

Now for Somalis in Ethiopia. They should forget about muslims. I don't get Somalis and their obsession with other Muslims. To hell with muslims, we're talking about Somali interests.

I dont believe Somali and Muslim interests are separate. Sure their is national and religious interest/objects and the two can conflict at times. But if you look deep Somalis are muslim people whos interests and political outlook is heavily influenced by Islam, the two are intertwined and inseparable. On both side of the borders there are no people that are closer to us and are willing to support our cause on the basis of sharing the same religion, people fight for what they respect and with and what they identify with. For example the Muslims in Kenya have always supported somalis and in the elections to join during British rule the Muslims alongside the Somalis chose to join the Somali republic whereas the Pagans and christians chose to stay attached to Kenya.

Somalis should use the resources of Ethiopia to build their regions, get scholarships in different fields and work their way to the top. I know a couple Somali pilots from Ethiopia. They took their chance and they do not reg True Somalis in character, no qabiil talk and they do not wish to be Habeshas. Their land is part of Ethiopia and therefore Ethiopia has an obligation when it comes to their future. I support Somaliland but I hope the communities from Somaliland in Ethiopia use Ethiopian resources to build their region.

I dont have a problem with individuals choosing to take advantage of resources within Ethiopia, at the end of the day they are empowering themselves and those close to them. What i have a problem with is the very existence of a Ethiopian nation state/empire in its current form. Its a state which has the arms and apparatus of an empire/colonial state. For much of its history it was brutally set up and then controlled by imperious Highlanders whom have used it to settle scores, extend their own tribal goals, marginalize and oppress minorities. The reality is that Ethiopia has to reform and once that happens its break up will be inevitable.Reforms such as securing rights - of which is one is freedom for self determination. At the moment freedom and democracy is a sham and Ethiopia functions like it has before the 90s. At the moment the Issa are being forced off their lands and somali regions are being attached to Oromos and Afar.

Whilst i agree that we work with Ethiopians today Somalis must one day propel themselves to a state where they can expel Ethiopia from that region. That's the ultimate goal.

The end goal is obviously Hawd and Somaliland reuniting but until then we have to work with the system an not against it. The same goes for other Somalis. Some parts of the Somali region is actually more fertile than the southern parts of neighboring Somalia. The diversity in climate also enables crops that can't grow in Somaliland or Somalia.

I agree Somalis should make maximum use of any opportunities that exists at the moment. As we are divided today their is much we can do anyways.

The Oromos are well represented. Many of the high ranking generals in the Ethiopian army are Oromo and the Ethiopian army is predominantly Oromo. For the Oromos two problems exist. The well represented community are the assimilated Oromos. Many of the famous Ethiopian kings and warriors were Oromo but they were converted by the weaker Amhara, Menelik an Haile Selassie being two examples. Even Mengistu was Oromo mixed with a a Bantu/Nilotic group that lives in south western Ethiopia.

Lol arent those sodiers simply cannon fodder? Werent these assimilated Oromos called Shewans and they did not identify as Oromo much more with Amhara as they took up their culture. By the way Haile Selassie was ethnically an Oromo but considered himself Amhara - his regime was virtually dominated by Amhara and during his time threw his people under the bus. He didnt lift a finger when famines broke out in Wollo and that killed huge number of people Oromos. He didnt care so long as they were not "Amhara that were dying".
By the way i heard Mengistu was a Wolayta. Those folks speak Omotic, whilst many of them may look like Cushitic/Semitic but they have mixed with the real Omotic (whom are mostly Nilotic + bit of Hunter Gatherer + Euroasian) to a good degree.

Nonetheless this group associate Christianity and indirectly Ethiopia with Habesha and Habesha culture and they would never go against the Habeshas because they're brainwashed. On the other hand, The poor Oromos are the Waaq worshipping farmers or Muslim agropastoralists. Who are at the bottom of the barrel. Just like the Somalis they are destructive and they haven't achieved anything. However this group is one step ahead of Somalis and they use Ethiopia to gain land inhabited by Somalis like Bale. When the original Somali region of Hararghe was split in 1994. Today the Afars are doing the same and they annexed land in Shiinile. We're the only group who's left behind because of our incompetence. You have people who romanticize about a nonexistent Somaliweyn, another group is content with the Kilil because they can dominate other Somalis. The worst are the ones I saw in Addis who chew and drink and live like bums while the Xaliimos get beat by all kinds of subhumans.

We have to think outside the f-king box.

I agree with this part tbf. Somalis aint going to unite anytime soon or reach a level where they can fight Ethiopia. What there need to change is our political culture. We need to have an approach where we show a pretence or a facade whereby we accept Ethiopia but at the same time secretly harbour other ideas. The truth is Somalis are too stupid to do this so as a group will be suffering for a long time to come.

Xildiid has good points when it comes to Somalis in Ethiopia but Somalis are divided also in Ethiopia along clan lines Isaaq Darod and dir and degodia Sheikhaash. And they will never meet eye to eye, Ethiopia takes allot of Joy in that Especially the last Ethiopian prime Minister Meles Zenawi who was an expert on Somalis he even divided Ogaden Maxamad subeer sub clans the Abdulle and the reer Isaaq he favored the reer Abdullah. There cannot be a common Somali goal in the Somali kilil or in the rest of the Somali peninsula the divisions are to deep. It would have been great if could have been arranged and that Somalis could have treaties among themselves but its impossible and impracticable.

Anigu Meles Zenawi Gacan ba u taagay sidu Somalida u kala sarifay. No other Ethiopian leader has succeeded as he has done. Meles zenawi studied the Somali political culture and their Tribal Dynamics. The tigres are dangerous i prefer the Amhara the Amhara are traditionalist they care about Family ties they care about culture and Ethiopian nationalists. The Leadership of the Oromo is divided by the Traditional OLF Oromo Arsi and the Shewa Oromo Orthodox Oromos historically the 2 Oromos have clashed. Anigu i support the Amhara to come to power in Ethiopia , Amhara biggest Fear is a great Somali and their biggest fear was always to loos the Somali region.

Ethiopia has lost allot of Ethiopian land to Sudan Fertile Land mostly Amhara Lands we can make an easy pact with the Amhara that we regain the Haud and reserve territory, and we help them to regain their Land in Sudan. If war ever breaks out between Somalia and Somaliland and the Amhara is in power i can bet my net worth on it that the Amhara wholeheartedly will back Somaliland. The Tigres will try to remain neutral not to pick sides, just to be liked by all Somalis and they dont lose their leverage in the entire Somali peninsula, but the Amhara are traditionalist. Strategically for Somaliland the Amhara in power is the best option when the Amhara were power Business was good in Ethiopia for the Isaaq Merchants and entrepreneurs.

Mengistu was Oromo, his grandmother was an Amharic woman.

The Tigray are deadly, they have their own clan structure so they know how to deal with the tribal Somalis. As you say, the Amhara are more traditional. If you're staunch Ethio supporter qaxwuu kuu dubaya, inantiisana wuu ku siinaya. They love when Somalis wave the Ethiopian flag and say mama Ethiopia.

The pilots I met Isaaq (Sacad Muuse iyo Cidagalle) iyo Ogaden bay ahaayeen. I salute them for taking the chance to use Ethiopia. I hope the Somalis in that region become like the Sijuis. Aniguba Ethiopia ayaan u socdaa wallahay.

Yeah the Tigre are the dangerous one ,they have Qabiil issues two deep divisions apparently the Tigre in Eritrea and the one in Ethiopia despise each other. My aim is to work and cooperate with the oromos in hawassa and the Sidamos there , there are even Amharas there. Xildiid we can easily build people to people relations and they will trust us, Amahara dadka wa aminan. All we have to say is that Habar xabuusha was from Gonder and eventually we will work together, Lol.

Isaaq song writers will make a Somali version of this Song

Emamaye ethiopia

Yeah the Tigre are the dangerous one ,they have Qabiil issues two deep divisions apparently the Tigre in Eritrea and the one in Ethiopia despise each other. My aim is to work and cooperate with the oromos in hawassa and the Sidamos there , there are even Amharas there. Xildiid we can easily build people to people relations and they will trust us, Amahara dadka wa aminan. All we have to say is that Habar xabuusha was from Gonder and eventually we will work together, Lol.

Isaaq song writers will make a Somali version of this Song

Emamaye ethiopia

Yeah the Tigre are the dangerous one ,they have Qabiil issues two deep divisions apparently the Tigre in Eritrea and the one in Ethiopia despise each other. My aim is to work and cooperate with the oromos in hawassa and the Sidamos there , there are even Amharas there. Xildiid we can easily build people to people relations and they will trust us, Amahara dadka wa aminan. All we have to say is that Habar xabuusha was from Gonder and eventually we will work together, Lol.

Isaaq song writers will make a Somali version of this Song

Emamaye ethiopia

We have neglected Ethiopia and Hawd for Somaliland. This Africa, labada gacmood waxbaa lagu cunaa. We always had a high ranking position in Ethiopia. The first Ethio coffee exporter and pioneer was Isaaq. We had high ranking Isaaqs in the Derg military government and Ethiopian people's workers party.

Indeed, we should move into Ethiopia.

Garbaha ha la dhaqaajiyo

Yes indeed Business was good under the Derg and even under Haile selassie it was good that the Isaaq focused on Somaliland because we neglected Somaliland to and flocked to Mogadishu in 1960 and 1970, we should now Focus on our regions in Ethiopia and go from there.

Rambie thats how you re build family relations and political ties , i am going in the Summer to Somailand addis Ababba

Now lets shake the Shoulders i love when the Xabashis do Mushxarad they are good at it

For the people who thought the 2 countries with the oldest Civilizations in Africa will go to war and destroy each other a rude awakening eventually treaties and agreements will be signed

Preliminary agreement reached on Ethiopia’s Renaissance dam

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March 6, 2015 (KHARTOUM) – Foreign affairs and water resources ministers of Sudan, Egypt and Ethiopia have reached on Friday a preliminary draft agreement on a mechanism for operating the Ethiopian Renaissance Dam following three-day meetings in Khartoum.

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The planned Grand Ethiopian Renaissance Dam project (AP)
Egypt fears that the construction of the 4.3 billion dollar dam project will diminish its water share which is a source of water to millions people of the desert nation.

Up on completion by 2017, the Grand Ethiopian renaissance dam will have electricity generating capacity of 6,000 megawatt.

Currently the power plant project which will be Africa’s largest is 36% completed and will take the east African nation up to six years to fill the dam’s 74 billion cubic-meter reservoir.

Sudan’s foreign minister, Ali Ahmed Karti, said the three countries reached agreement on principles “ that govern us on how to benefit from the Eastern Nile Basin and the Renaissance Dam”, stressing the document represents the beginning of a new page in relations between the three countries.

“The deal will now be sent to the leaders of the three countries for final approval,” he said.

Egypt’s Water and Irrigation Minister Hossam Moghazi said the principles that were agreed to “pertain to the systems and mechanism for operating the Renaissance Dam and the mechanism for cooperation on this dam.”

Ethiopian foreign minister, Tadros Adhanom, for his part, said the principles represented a “new chapter” in relations between the three countries.

The ministers did not elaborate on specific points of the deal.

During the past two years and since the construction of the dam that kicked off in 2013, the three countries have held several tripartite meetings to discuss the ways to maximise the benefits of the dam, minimize its side effects and reduce the potential risk on the three countries.

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People who have no business in Ethiopia are commenting about Somali-Region of Ethiopia. EPRDF (TPLF in disguise) is annexing lands for commercial purposes only. No Afar has annexed land in Shinile Zone, period. Get your facts straight. The contested land always belonged to Ciise who retook it back in early 1990s but is now set up for commercialization/industrial-size farming. Shinile Zone has expanded NW of the Awash River and deep into fertile areas adjacent to Yangudi Rassa region.

Faqashta iyo kudaafada kale ha inoo dambeysee

Me and Yusuf will be on the frontline ASAP maalintu Abdifataax Sisi dagaal soo qaado.

Kkkkkk. Tiro iyo Raganimo midkoodna uma kordhineysaan.

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Ethiopia will not be weakened by that shit stain they call Masr.Noolow Itoobiya noolow!

As expected the quisling iidoor are supporting Ethiopia.
Personally I want to see Ethiopia eviscerated .