Southern clan elders

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Do they exist? And if they do, why is nobody listening to them?

[MoAwr]

You think yalaxow would give orders to warsheekh lol

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Yalaxow is a part-time busdriver, part-time psych ward patient.

[original dervish]

Their two most prominent clan leaders call for war regularly.....Dirriye (H/G) & Haad (Murasade).

[Bandit]

Why would they need something useless as clan elders

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

When I say "Southern" I don't just mean Hawiye, but also Marexaan, MJ, Ogaden, Dirta Koonfur iyo Rahanweyn.

[nerdfresh]

hawadle doesn't listen to diriye or xaad, the spokesman of the hawiye and the leader of the hawiye. Diriye and xaad told the Hawadle to not attack fiqi umaar in hiiraan but hawadle doesn't listen. I suspect abgal told hawadle to ignore diriye and xaad. Xawadle and abgal don't listen to hawiye clan leaders so its not a mistake to say some southern clans don't listen to their elders

[JamalAddow]

When I say "Southern" I don't just mean Hawiye, but also Marexaan, MJ, Ogaden, Dirta Koonfur iyo Rahanweyn.

When did MJ become Southern, we're Reer Bari fam, Aka Easterners.

[Idman702]

When I say "Southern" I don't just mean Hawiye, but also Marexaan, MJ, Ogaden, Dirta Koonfur iyo Rahanweyn.

When did MJ become Southern, we're Reer Bari fam, Aka Easterners.

You are originally from West Africa, your ancestors were slaves in bari. And the great king freed you all. So instead of going back to your Country you started claiming the kings names. We all know the truth. We don't intermix with your kind. Notice how all the bantus claiming Cisman Mohamud only intermarry another bantu claiking to be Cisman Mohamud. Pure Cisman Mohamud don't marry your kind. I will send an application for you to the tv program called who do you think you are, they will trace you back to your bantu grandfather.

[wasabi]

Do they exist? And if they do, why is nobody listening to them?

south culture is very different to north culture

in the north we respect and listen to the elders, their orders are almost seen as absolute and if you do not listen you will be disowned by your people. That is why in the north wars and disputes are resolved very quickly even though those wars then to be more heated then the southern wars.

in the south they dont care what their elders tell them, they are more independent which is weird because they tend to be very qabiilest compared to reer north.

[zumaale]

Warabe, a leopard never changes its spots, still stereotyping.

Liquid, the South is too complex for any of us too make any generalisations. One will have to analyse each subclan on its own. There is no homogeneous Southern culture.

[Lancer]

Warlords have more clan authority than clan elders. Case in point barre hirale,ahmed madobe,morgan,etc..

[Typhoon]

can speak for my beesha, saladiinta beesha are influential and still maintain their grip on the affairs of beesha, and they are where the buck stops.
Ugaaska beesha works through census and makes finial verdict but most of the time he lets situations play out before he intervenes

There is even global organisational frame work like wakiilka ugaaska beesha sade ee East Africa, Europe and north america
Saladiinta beesha sade refrain from politics even their language is beyond politics and it borders religious discourse.
Beesha sade still has 1 Ugaas that commands absolute loyalty from saladiinta, siyasinta, ulimada beesha sade
I think marexaan is one of the few somali clans that still maintain and comply with ancient treaties with other clans.
Marexaan has accumulated vast bilateral agreements with every Somali clan they even have agreement with Somalis in kenya like murule, degodi and garre.

There is one thing we don`t mix daqanka and siyasata, we have spokesperson that articulates the position of beesha but hardly would you see saladinta taking political positions.
There is a big difference between how isaaq operate their system of mixture of daqanka and matters of siyasad
suldanka ciedagale commands less authority then cabdi warabe among the isaaq among the marexaan that would be considered a challenge

siyaad barre challenged ugaaska marexaan couple times and very time ugaaska beesha sade reigned supreme. The most famous time was during the civil war, when marexaan told siyad barre, this is war between your government and hawiye not between hawiye and marexaan until hawiye attacked

ugaaska marexaan never declares or accepts war, that is the role of siyasinta and military, but ugaaska he sanctions or rejects war being waged under the banner of marexaan only he has that privilege
ugaasku wu ka sharaf waynyahay war and politics.

Marexaan practise monocracy when it comes to hierarchy it has been the same ever since saldanda beesha was established since abadir muuse times and only 1 time was it challenged and that event became a somali legend “magta maxamed dauud,” that means one who carries a unpayable burden

When the civil war happened between marexaan and xawadle in hiiraan everybody played by the rules and even with habar gedir, you can say a lot about aided but he maintained ancient laws between marexaan and habar gedir

There is a big difference between us and hawiye because among the hawiye non saladin command the heights of general hawiye affairs (except abgaal)
Only al shabab posed a threat the structure of beesha when they appointed their own ugaasyo and that was one of the reason beesha totally waged war against al shabab

There is a guy in Hargeisa called ugaas weli who claims to be ugaas but in the eyes of beesha he is fugitive and apostate and we held al shabab responsible and they paid for their crime dearly, hence him being in hargeisa far away from beesha
Even the mighty barre hiiraale at the height of his power new his place, so yes marexaan ugas plays critical role but not in political affairs.

He sets the rules and gives verdict; beesha plays because marexaan name is the property of its king
Daarod is also highly organised structure it’s amazing how the daarood maintain uniformity in what they call “daqan daarood,” while being separated geographically

southern somalia resembles holy roman empire and the resilient clans are those that are organised structurally

[STARKAST]

LH - Qardho is on level with Hargeisa. Or by southern do you mean in the colonial way ? Sad.

[Khalid Ali]

can speak for my beesha, saladiinta beesha are influential and still maintain their grip on the affairs of beesha, and they are where the buck stops.
Ugaaska beesha works through census and makes finial verdict but most of the time he lets situations play out before he intervenes

There is even global organisational frame work like wakiilka ugaaska beesha sade ee East Africa, Europe and north america
Saladiinta beesha sade refrain from politics even their language is beyond politics and it borders religious discourse.
Beesha sade still has 1 Ugaas that commands absolute loyalty from saladiinta, siyasinta, ulimada beesha sade
I think marexaan is one of the few somali clans that still maintain and comply with ancient treaties with other clans.
Marexaan has accumulated vast bilateral agreements with every Somali clan they even have agreement with Somalis in kenya like murule, degodi and garre.

There is one thing we don`t mix daqanka and siyasata, we have spokesperson that articulates the position of beesha but hardly would you see saladinta taking political positions.
There is a big difference between how isaaq operate their system of mixture of daqanka and matters of siyasad
suldanka ciedagale commands less authority then cabdi warabe among the isaaq among the marexaan that would be considered a challenge

siyaad barre challenged ugaaska marexaan couple times and very time ugaaska beesha sade reigned supreme. The most famous time was during the civil war, when marexaan told siyad barre, this is war between your government and hawiye not between hawiye and marexaan until hawiye attacked

ugaaska marexaan never declares or accepts war, that is the role of siyasinta and military, but ugaaska he sanctions or rejects war being waged under the banner of marexaan only he has that privilege
ugaasku wu ka sharaf waynyahay war and politics.

Marexaan practise monocracy when it comes to hierarchy it has been the same ever since saldanda beesha was established since abadir muuse times and only 1 time was it challenged and that event became a somali legend “magta maxamed dauud,” that means one who carries a unpayable burden

When the civil war happened between marexaan and xawadle in hiiraan everybody played by the rules and even with habar gedir, you can say a lot about aided but he maintained ancient laws between marexaan and habar gedir

There is a big difference between us and hawiye because among the hawiye non saladin command the heights of general hawiye affairs (except abgaal)
Only al shabab posed a threat the structure of beesha when they appointed their own ugaasyo and that was one of the reason beesha totally waged war against al shabab

There is a guy in Hargeisa called ugaas weli who claims to be ugaas but in the eyes of beesha he is fugitive and apostate and we held al shabab responsible and they paid for their crime dearly, hence him being in hargeisa far away from beesha
Even the mighty barre hiiraale at the height of his power new his place, so yes marexaan ugas plays critical role but not in political affairs.

He sets the rules and gives verdict; beesha plays because marexaan name is the property of its king
Daarod is also highly organised structure it’s amazing how the daarood maintain uniformity in what they call “daqan daarood,” while being separated geographically

southern somalia resembles holy roman empire and the resilient clans are those that are organised structurally

Good post
In Somalia there is every clan on his own his own strength there is no code of eldernism The Marexaan differ from the HG the Ogaden differ from the Majeerteen the Abgaal imam differs from the Murursade malaaq. The Abgaal ugaas or Imam his role is pure cultural. gudoon uun bu leeyahay in Somaliland the Sultans were powerful , in Somaliland the Garxajis and the Habarawal sultans signed the independence of Somaliland. in Somalia it was the SYL leaders and kuwi leegada. the Political culture is different. Sheikh dalaabay is seen as an ugaas for the abgaal on the politcal front. The Majeerten Boqor takes the Darood role but also gudoon. Not nabadayn between the Darood clans. By the Typhoon there hasnt been an isaaq sultan since Suldan Muxmmad the SNM sultan of the arab the ciidagale sultan only reprensents his clan not Isaaq or Somaliland they respect him and call him suldaanka guud eeh beelaha Somaliland. But in reality there is no isaaq sultan any more. And ina dhabaayeey cant represent any one but him self not even reer guleed of the ciidagale. Cabdi waraabe is the oldest guurti and the chief aakil. And is far more respected in Somaliland.