Southern clan elders

[sahal80]

UNDP statistics r not real in somalia couz I personally know the people who was responsible of this or chairing them

They paid to some folks who hails from the regions $100,000 per region

Some of the guys were lazy and have met the people under a tree, others were ringing the doors

Some won't include certain area or xaafado that r not settled by their subclans

Finally the somali lazy boses were not letting the collectors to finish all the papers infront of them!

Its funny how middle shabelle who has few farmers and fishers and r mainly a resort for banadir people has more population than hiiraan!!

Can you compare baladweyne to jowhar?

This is bc our folks from hiiraan were meeting the people under some tree in the center of the town also did not visit hawlwadaag at all!!

In jowhar they rang every door!

We can't have real statistics before we had a good and strong govt

[Rambie]

UNDP statistics r not real in somalia couz I personally know the people who was responsible of this or chairing them

They paid to some folks who hails from the regions $100,000 per region

Some of the guys were lazy and have met the people under a tree, others were ringing the doors

Some won't include certain area or xaafado that r not settled by their subclans

Finally the somali lazy boses were not letting the collectors to finish all the papers infront of them!

Its funny how middle shabelle who has few farmers and fishers and r mainly a resort for banadir people has more population than hiiraan!!

Can you compare baladweyne to jowhar?

This is bc our folks from hiiraan were meeting the people under some tree in the center of the town also did not visit hawlwadaag at all!!

In jowhar they rang every door!

We can't have real statistics before we had a good and strong govt

Well, I don't know bout south Somalia, but its the most legitimate document so far, or else everybody could claim
anything you have Wikipedia claiming Bosasso is 700,000
or Marexaan being majority in Gedo, I know you're standing with your southern brothers and try to magnify your home region but be objective for once plus, Your implying that Isaaq paid to UNDP to make the population of Woqooyi Galbeed over 700,000 or Toghdheer being over 400,000 when most regions where from 150,000 - 350,000



The last census was made in the 70s and even then Afweyne manipulated the numbers
to make his clan look bigger and his famous saying

"Somalis are Dir & Darood"
Doesn't this makes sense?

[Advo]

Typhoon and Khalid

I learned alot

[sahal80]

UNDP statistics r not real in somalia couz I personally know the people who was responsible of this or chairing them

They paid to some folks who hails from the regions $100,000 per region

Some of the guys were lazy and have met the people under a tree, others were ringing the doors

Some won't include certain area or xaafado that r not settled by their subclans

Finally the somali lazy boses were not letting the collectors to finish all the papers infront of them!

Its funny how middle shabelle who has few farmers and fishers and r mainly a resort for banadir people has more population than hiiraan!!

Can you compare baladweyne to jowhar?

This is bc our folks from hiiraan were meeting the people under some tree in the center of the town also did not visit hawlwadaag at all!!

In jowhar they rang every door!

We can't have real statistics before we had a good and strong govt

Well, I don't know bout south Somalia, but its the most legitimate document so far, or else everybody could claim
anything you have Wikipedia claiming Bosasso is 700,000
or Marexaan being majority in Gedo, I know you're standing with your southern brothers and try to magnify your home region but be objective for once plus, Your implying that Isaaq paid to UNDP to make the population of Woqooyi Galbeed over 700,000 or Toghdheer being over 400,000 when most regions where from 150,000 - 350,000



The last census was made in the 70s and even then Afweyne manipulated the numbers
to make his clan look bigger and his famous saying

"Somalis are Dir & Darood"
Doesn't this makes sense?

I'm telling you I personally know the people who orgonized the UNDP statistics from collectors to boses and wich mechanism they followed to conduct this program and how much funds they spent on it

Its bullshit bc the statistics were made by a local people

Plus i know two boses who hail from murursade and abgaal and didn't let some regions papers to be finished, one of them was hiiraan

In hiiraan all the devolopents r concentrated on the hawadle districts and I have worned them many times on this telling the govt to balance its programs in there

The folks who have been sent to hiiraan have camped at the center of the town collecting info from the people who attended

Gugundhabe r found on the outskirts of baladweyne and no one has visited there too bc they r not closer to the center

Jowhar is smaller and more mixed so they have been visiting all the doors, abgaal, gaaljecel and jareer

I heard the same results for many regions

Totally bullshit!

[Rambie]

UNDP statistics r not real in somalia couz I personally know the people who was responsible of this or chairing them

They paid to some folks who hails from the regions $100,000 per region

Some of the guys were lazy and have met the people under a tree, others were ringing the doors

Some won't include certain area or xaafado that r not settled by their subclans

Finally the somali lazy boses were not letting the collectors to finish all the papers infront of them!

Its funny how middle shabelle who has few farmers and fishers and r mainly a resort for banadir people has more population than hiiraan!!

Can you compare baladweyne to jowhar?

This is bc our folks from hiiraan were meeting the people under some tree in the center of the town also did not visit hawlwadaag at all!!

In jowhar they rang every door!

We can't have real statistics before we had a good and strong govt

Well, I don't know bout south Somalia, but its the most legitimate document so far, or else everybody could claim
anything you have Wikipedia claiming Bosasso is 700,000
or Marexaan being majority in Gedo, I know you're standing with your southern brothers and try to magnify your home region but be objective for once plus, Your implying that Isaaq paid to UNDP to make the population of Woqooyi Galbeed over 700,000 or Toghdheer being over 400,000 when most regions where from 150,000 - 350,000



The last census was made in the 70s and even then Afweyne manipulated the numbers
to make his clan look bigger and his famous saying

"Somalis are Dir & Darood"
Doesn't this makes sense?

I'm telling you I personally know the people who orgonized the UNDP statistics from collectors to boses and wich mechanism they followed to conduct this program and how much funds they spent on it

Its bullshit bc the statistics were made by a local people

Plus i know two boses who hail from murursade and abgaal and didn't let some regions papers to be finished, one of them was hiiraan

In hiiraan all the devolopents r concentrated on the hawadle districts and I have worned them many times on this telling the govt to balance its programs in there

The folks who have been sent to hiiraan have camped at the center of the town collecting info from the people who attended

Gugundhabe r found on the outskirts of baladweyne and no one has visited there too bc they r not closer to the center

Jowhar is smaller and more mixed so they have been visiting all the doors, abgaal, gaaljecel and jareer

I heard the same results for many regions

Totally bullshit!

Still, you have not presented a single alternative, perhaps they used the same
mechanism on other regions as well, who know?... your word is not
enough either Sahal, since you have gained a reputation here for twisting facts to suite your perception

In my eyes, this census is still valid and the closest thing we have to reality.

[Buraanbur]

I read about this. He banned some titles who carry clan names such as ogaden except bajuni and barawe who r more community than a clan. Not all titles maybe boqor or suldan but ugaas and nabadon were seen normal.

At the start kacaan was against all the clan influences in the politics lakin shaar baa loo galiyay sidoo dhahay farah gololeey!.

Nabadoon is some one who's selected by the clan and his mission is to look after the interests of the clan and the issues regarding the other clans

Some use sultan as nabadon like my jufo who r more scattered and r away from the ugaas in hiiraan

Ugaas, boqor and sultan r the traditional rulers of the clan, they inherited these titles from their fathers.

You don't seem to understand what I'm saying, the title of Nabadoon was employed to diminish the position/power of the traditional clan elder. Nabadoons were not elected, but selected by the government and today you have many political opportunistists running around the south using this same exact title.

I understood. I'm not well-versed in somali dhaqan but I know a man from hiiraan-in the 30s- who was carrying the title of nabadoon, he's the same man who allowed to some HG jufo to settle in hiiraan after they fled from other subclans.

It seems to me that you have been programmed like this way, since the title doesn't exist in the north they thought it was invented by kacaan!

This link supports this theory

http://www.somalimind.com/2012/09/clan- ... henomenon/

This link supports being a historical title
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Bce ... =html_text

Sorry here is the link
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Bce ... =html_text
Authorized: having official permission or approval
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Bce ... =html_text


Perhapes it was authorized bc it wasn't a politicized title, different than the tribal chiefs of the north

I have read years ago some work that belongs a westren anthropologist wich I can't remember now

Was saying the north is politically tribal while the south is religiously political and had imams as the political rulers not boqor, sultan or garaad

Its true bc in hiiraan we were aligned with the imam of ajuran but a local man who was kinda general was running hiiraan-mumin fiidow-

We also had caqiid-means col- ibrahim seedow

Reerow hassan have arrived there to help the imam on the religious and business matters such as the farming wich they inherited them today

To this day the judge of the court in hiiraan is reerow hassan!

Also hiraab had an imam and there was a general from HG and a judge from sheekhal

I've been "programmed"?? I said the Siad Barre Regime legitimized the title and authorized. The point is the whole Nabadoon role/title was used by the regime to remove power from the traditional elders. It hasn't worked in the North, but it has in the South.

From Traditional Cures for Modern Conflicts:



From Critical Realism, Somalia and the Diaspora Community:



From The Alliance Framework: A Micro-level Approach to Diagnose Protracted Conflict in South Central Somalia

[sadeboi]

There is one Sade King- Reer Diini
Ugaaska Reer Hasan
Then Ugaaska of Northern Sade-Reer Diini
Suldaanka Sade Waamo-Cali Dheere
Suldaanka Sade Dhoobey-Wagerdhac
Suldaanka Talxe
Ugaaska Hawrarsame
Suldanka Reer Axmed
Garaadka Reer Garaad
Then Nabadoons from other clans

Generally Sade work on regional basis, all clans come under one authority, but have individual nabadoons. You will see the different clans having the authority of Sade leadership. To Sade, the Kingship is very important and unifies the clan, they never take sides within Sade conflicts, whether it was inter-Sade wars or SNF/Akhwan war in the 90s, the King never got involved or took a side. He represents all of them. Ever since the death of King Cumar (with whom all Sade loved) the authority of Sade Kingship has been a mess. King Cumar became a King because his brother King Xaashi died with only one young boy to carry his name. The clan voted that Cumar becomes King until the boy (Maxamed Xaashi) becomes of age. When Maxamed Xaashi became of age he told his uncle to keep the position. When King Cumar died, Maxamed Xaashi said he is the legitimate heir to Sade Kingship, but he was challenged by the eldest of King Cumar, who said he will inherit his fathers position. So you have two cousins, Maxamed Xaashi and Maxamed Cumar, competing for power. To complicate things they both got involved in the Sade political turmoil. Maxamed Xaashi got support from PM Abdiweli and Fartaag, and thus joined Jubbaland. Maxamed Cumar got support from the Garbahaarey camp who are against Fartaag/Madoobe. Both Maxamed Xashi and Maxamed Cumar were told to come to Garbaaharey so that Reer Ugaas Sharmarke can decide between them. Maxamed Xaashi saw hus sib clan wanted Maxamed Cumar to become King so he left Garbaaharey and going with Fartaag to Kismaayo. When he came to Kismaayo he thought Fartaag would legitimize him.

Much of the political issues within Sade was that there was not legitimate leader, and why they focused on choosing between the two men. The voice of Sade, is that of the King, hence why every group was with a guy they thought helped them.

Generally dhaqan Darood waxa weeye ceeb for dhaqanka and siyaasada to be heavily mixed, hence Darood lords and Kings do no meddle too much in political dilemmas, whatever they view might be. Unless their voice is provoked.

[Osob101]

UNDP statistics r not real in somalia couz I personally know the people who was responsible of this or chairing them

They paid to some folks who hails from the regions $100,000 per region

Some of the guys were lazy and have met the people under a tree, others were ringing the doors

Some won't include certain area or xaafado that r not settled by their subclans

Finally the somali lazy boses were not letting the collectors to finish all the papers infront of them!

Its funny how middle shabelle who has few farmers and fishers and r mainly a resort for banadir people has more population than hiiraan!!

Can you compare baladweyne to jowhar?

This is bc our folks from hiiraan were meeting the people under some tree in the center of the town also did not visit hawlwadaag at all!!

In jowhar they rang every door!

We can't have real statistics before we had a good and strong govt

Forget Mudulood or Abgaal, You dont come any where close to number to just Wacbudhan

[Murax]

Sadeboi,

Thanks for educating us bro, but I don't think there is much of a question today of Ugaas Maxamed's legitimacy. I understand that some Marehan's reject Him but I'm speaking overall for most of them He is Ugaaska without question. Fartaag can't legitimize or delegitimize anybody.

[sadeboi]

Murax, I would beg to differ. His support base is Doolow, and Jubaland supporters. While Maxamed Cumar has the support of larger MR. Personally, none of them legitimately have the crown.