Southern clan elders

[sahal80]

can speak for my beesha, saladiinta beesha are influential and still maintain their grip on the affairs of beesha, and they are where the buck stops.
Ugaaska beesha works through census and makes finial verdict but most of the time he lets situations play out before he intervenes

There is even global organisational frame work like wakiilka ugaaska beesha sade ee East Africa, Europe and north america
Saladiinta beesha sade refrain from politics even their language is beyond politics and it borders religious discourse.
Beesha sade still has 1 Ugaas that commands absolute loyalty from saladiinta, siyasinta, ulimada beesha sade
I think marexaan is one of the few somali clans that still maintain and comply with ancient treaties with other clans.
Marexaan has accumulated vast bilateral agreements with every Somali clan they even have agreement with Somalis in kenya like murule, degodi and garre.

There is one thing we don`t mix daqanka and siyasata, we have spokesperson that articulates the position of beesha but hardly would you see saladinta taking political positions.
There is a big difference between how isaaq operate their system of mixture of daqanka and matters of siyasad
suldanka ciedagale commands less authority then cabdi warabe among the isaaq among the marexaan that would be considered a challenge

siyaad barre challenged ugaaska marexaan couple times and very time ugaaska beesha sade reigned supreme. The most famous time was during the civil war, when marexaan told siyad barre, this is war between your government and hawiye not between hawiye and marexaan until hawiye attacked

ugaaska marexaan never declares or accepts war, that is the role of siyasinta and military, but ugaaska he sanctions or rejects war being waged under the banner of marexaan only he has that privilege
ugaasku wu ka sharaf waynyahay war and politics.

Marexaan practise monocracy when it comes to hierarchy it has been the same ever since saldanda beesha was established since abadir muuse times and only 1 time was it challenged and that event became a somali legend “magta maxamed dauud,” that means one who carries a unpayable burden

When the civil war happened between marexaan and xawadle in hiiraan everybody played by the rules and even with habar gedir, you can say a lot about aided but he maintained ancient laws between marexaan and habar gedir

There is a big difference between us and hawiye because among the hawiye non saladin command the heights of general hawiye affairs (except abgaal)
Only al shabab posed a threat the structure of beesha when they appointed their own ugaasyo and that was one of the reason beesha totally waged war against al shabab

There is a guy in Hargeisa called ugaas weli who claims to be ugaas but in the eyes of beesha he is fugitive and apostate and we held al shabab responsible and they paid for their crime dearly, hence him being in hargeisa far away from beesha
Even the mighty barre hiiraale at the height of his power new his place, so yes marexaan ugas plays critical role but not in political affairs.

He sets the rules and gives verdict; beesha plays because marexaan name is the property of its king
Daarod is also highly organised structure it’s amazing how the daarood maintain uniformity in what they call “daqan daarood,” while being separated geographically

southern somalia resembles holy roman empire and the resilient clans are those that are organised structurally

I think your dhaqan is more involved in politics than our dhaqan!

There was mx ugaas vs mx sultan during the jl conference if I can remember

You have high sultan who equals the ugaas and I think your dhaqan is part of the mx problem

I once refused our clan to have a sultan who deals with the political problems in some meeting bc it will scatter us more. we only got ugaas

Dhaqan or ugaas doesn't involve in our politics as hawadle, his role is only dealing with the other clans

Hiiraan is run by a kid who was born in 1980, this shows how our elders are far from politics


Why in the south we would need "elders" when most influential people in the govt hail from the minorities?

Clan is behind our problems and it cannot be the solution for them

Take example for suldan wabar, this man is well respected among his subsubclan and maybe the whole clan so all his people will follow him!

In the south no one follows whatever sultan!

[Typhoon]

Typhoon, I don't understand markuu ina dahabshiil ku faanayo. So one guy got a little money, he has a good business, I'm going to go use it later today, so what. Even a midgaan can become a billionaire haduu illahay idmo, but that doesn't change the status of midgaans, pardon my crude example.

great analogy

waxu ka xanagay laangaabnimo, dee 4 will oo isku hooyo o is korsaran sidee bay laandheernimo uu sheegaan karaan they not even qabiil in the traditional sense wa confederation, so you initial premise stands and I beg to differ with skywalker.

how long do you reckon before he calls us boon and brings up siad barre and aqoonsi

I actually like skywalker, I don't take anything he says to heart.

he is not bad person wa iska kaftama lakin marfish ba internetka ka so gala, he is always euphoric and excited and too emotional.
skywalker properly never met a marexaan, we are to him mysterious people and he can`t understand our thought pastern and culture.

[Rambie]

That's rich coming from a Semi-Oromo clan like yourself
Gabre is actually your second master after NK, if you don't know that
by now, then am afraid you're more mentally challenged then the Cagdheers you look
down upon, he's the one who made all this possible.





As for your coward father and symbolic leader of the Marexaan, who was molested
and humiliated by an Isaaq soldier and died from anus cancer while taking a dump in a
Nigerian toilet,that's an insult by itself my good friend

[sahal80]

My clan has political leader-duqa- he's some one who's a politician or holds a ministerial post or a political organization like the USC

They dictate the future of the region and beesha

Some of them are cusman jeele, abdi osman-USC vice prez- col hassan qalaad, omar hashi, goodax

As an mp goodah has made a deal with the rest of mps not except a minister who is not an mp

Prez hassan wanted to appoint sanbalolshe who's not an mp

He did every thing but our mps were united behind goodah!

Mps have been eliminated by the current cabinet except some deputy ministers that's the reason why our current minister is not an mp

We have a governor who's kinda militia leader

We have professors, educated people, diaspora who plan for the region

Right now they r esponsible of wich region we will be part of it

We have dhaqan who r responsible for the reconciliation with the other clans

This is the reason why my clan r so orgonized.

[Typhoon]

bambi
you sound like a angry ex mistress on her period, you are too bombastic and full of uqdad.

go read old SNET thread because there is where you belong, in the past.

boorish behaviour is the trait of a provincial serf who despite 20 years of peace can`t seem to master civility and propriety.

[Khalid Ali]

gabre wa rageedi he is securing TPLF future he is on a time schedule, he want to have stable somali states for the eventual tigray dislodgement from power
somalis misunderstood the TPLF and general gabre, our somali brothers in ethiopia understood the game and we understand the game finally.
general gabre comes to kismayo with no more then 5 body guards, ninku wa nin that has the consent of locals we understand TPLFs new strategic dept

politics is a dirty game and our interest align with the tplf

Typhoon the Tigres are Qabil minded, Like us, they have something called Awraja mr General gabre is using the divisive tools the TPLF uses Tigres gacan baan u taaagay , The greatest Tigre Meles zenawi has set the future for the to The Tigre to remain Kings and Queens in East Africa. But the tigre are laangaab compared to amxaarada. I agree the zerosum game of southern Somalia will make sure some Somalis allied to tigre and some to Kikuyu.

[Rambie]

bambi
you sound like a angry ex mistress on her period, you are too bombastic and full of uqdad.

go read old SNET thread because there is where you belong, in the past.

boorish behaviour is the trait of a provincial serf who despite 20 years of peace can`t seem to master civility and propriety.

You seem to have run out of hyena meet today, perhaps you should lock the fridge next time.

[libaaxyare]

hawadle doesn't listen to diriye or xaad, the spokesman of the hawiye and the leader of the hawiye. Diriye and xaad told the Hawadle to not attack fiqi umaar in hiiraan but hawadle doesn't listen. I suspect abgal told hawadle to ignore diriye and xaad. Xawadle and abgal don't listen to hawiye clan leaders so its not a mistake to say some southern clans don't listen to their elders

xaad and ahmed dirye are not hawiye clan elders, xaad is not even nabadoon murursade and ahmed dirye is not part of salebaan saladinta murusade iyo habar gedir wa la yaqaan, you rarely hear them unlike xaad and ahmed diriye

people asume that tribal etiquette is gone in the south its more more full then ever it has been institutionalised

the biggest threat to the southern tribal structure was siyaad barre and they survived him they never had it so good, southern tribes are almost sovereign

the biggest difference between isaaq and daarood is, with isaaq you can`t tell who is their elder and who is their siyasi and the difference between hawiye and darood is that hawiye elders are absent by design in urban areas but in the hinterland they are as classical as it gets

daarood politicians like to manipulate daarood elders but always lose out barre hiiraale would love to start a tribal war but beesha says no, you have a political dispute not tribal dispute.
most of daaroood tribal affairs happens outside the cities and daarood still have great connection to their reer badiye especialy with ogadeen and marexaan

traditional elders only deal with their counter parts in somaliland waxa arkaysa naag iyo siyasi la tirsanaya
suldaanka good ee isaaq, they even accuse him of being alcoholic and bought by a hizbi, la hawla wala quwwata illa billah


wagooyi oday cisse ka qado wale

Ahmed Diriye and Xaad represent Hawiye and not their sub clans, its chozen by Hawiye and not not Saleebaan HG and Murudsade. they have nothing to do with subclans.

'its an oldn Haweiye traditional dhaqan, each clan or sub- clan chooses or sends the bravest, most out spoken,most intellectual persons to deal with a situation or solving problems,This why Ahmed diiriye, Xaad and Ciise Axmed Dalabey are chosen by Haweiye.
They have nothing to do with HG and Murudsade.

[Bandit]

That's rich coming from a Semi-Oromo clan like yourself
Gabre is actually your second master after NK, if you don't know that
by now, then am afraid you're more mentally challenged then the Cagdheers you look
down upon, he's the one who made all this possible.





As for your coward father and symbolic leader of the Marexaan, who was molested
and humiliated by an Isaaq soldier and died from anus cancer while taking a dump in a
Nigerian toilet,that's an insult by itself my good friend

some people delusion running away to hiding in the bushes ethiopia don't count as molesting your opponents if anything said barre mind raped your people so bad they can't Go 2 minutes without talking about darood your sub clan still caught the massive L most of the people who killed your relatives are walking around without care in the world

[wasabi]

That's rich coming from a Semi-Oromo clan like yourself
Gabre is actually your second master after NK, if you don't know that
by now, then am afraid you're more mentally challenged then the Cagdheers you look
down upon, he's the one who made all this possible.





As for your coward father and symbolic leader of the Marexaan, who was molested
and humiliated by an Isaaq soldier and died from anus cancer while taking a dump in a
Nigerian toilet,that's an insult by itself my good friend

watch out bro, hyper is going to ban you if you bash doofar ismaacil

[Typhoon]

bambie

am not in the mood to insult isaaq iyo outdated tribal bashing, why don`t you make yourself useful and bugger off

[Rambie]

That's rich coming from a Semi-Oromo clan like yourself
Gabre is actually your second master after NK, if you don't know that
by now, then am afraid you're more mentally challenged then the Cagdheers you look
down upon, he's the one who made all this possible.





As for your coward father and symbolic leader of the Marexaan, who was molested
and humiliated by an Isaaq soldier and died from anus cancer while taking a dump in a
Nigerian toilet,that's an insult by itself my good friend

some people delusion running away to hiding in the bushes ethiopia don't count as molesting your opponents if anything said barre mind raped your people so bad they can't Go 2 minutes without talking about darood your sub clan still caught the massive L most of the people who killed your relatives are walking around without care in the world

I didn't bring up Afweyne/half Oromo here, scroll up and learn to read kiddo he was
butt phucked by an Isaaq when he was young


Look at his sisy pose for the camera


And died in a Nigerian toilet on the other side of the continent
While taking a dump

Your people on the other hand were selling your children in Berbera in exchange for our timir
today, you are our bitches and wave our flag high in LA just like how it was 100 years ago.

[Rambie]

bambie

am not in the mood to insult isaaq iyo outdated tribal bashing, why don`t you make yourself useful and bugger off

You start it bitch, if you can't take the heat
Get out of the kitchen (with your heyna meat)

[Typhoon]

gabre wa rageedi he is securing TPLF future he is on a time schedule, he want to have stable somali states for the eventual tigray dislodgement from power
somalis misunderstood the TPLF and general gabre, our somali brothers in ethiopia understood the game and we understand the game finally.
general gabre comes to kismayo with no more then 5 body guards, ninku wa nin that has the consent of locals we understand TPLFs new strategic dept

politics is a dirty game and our interest align with the tplf
]

Typhoon the Tigres are Qabil minded, Like us, they have something called Awraja mr General gabre is using the divisive tools the TPLF uses Tigres gacan baan u taaagay , The greatest Tigre Meles zenawi has set the future for the to The Tigre to remain Kings and Queens in East Africa. But the tigre are laangaab compared to amxaarada. I agree the zerosum game of southern Somalia will make sure some Somalis allied to tigre and some to Kikuyu.

khalid I agree, the kikuyu and tigray are overstretched, they are heavily investing in somalis
Look at the kikuyu and how they have prostituted themselves to the somalis despite knowing al shabab would wreck a havoc in their land.

But the one guy that has been eyeing somalia for self-serving strategic reason is papa bear Yoweri Museveni.
He really wanted a balance against kenya he had intrest in Somalia since aided times(he like hawiye hence kikuyu fondess for daarood and kukuyu and Tigray have secret alliance uhuru son is married to a tigray

it seems somalia has become a geopolitical price were leaders send their soldiers to die for the benefit of somalis now and so that they might win favours with somalis in the future, while somalis are giving government contracts for aiport and sea port to turkey and at the same time kenyans,ethiopians and ugandans are dying

khalid, tigray iyo africans are motivated by fear of the unknown, these people understand somalis are a real nation unlike their fake nation states, they are all aligning their tribes with the somalis because of their fear of their traditional enemy which more closer to home then somalis.

The guy that present the role of somalis in the future is, adan duale and abdi umar
These two guys are loated by the opposition like ODM luo and the amharas in ethiopia

khalid we somalis are archiving our goals with what we could not archive in conventional means
our biggest problem are the arabs with their senseless Islamism petrol dollar reactionary politics but so far our islamist the damul jadiid are playing a masterful game they did not side with morsi their kin their brother against el sisi( they did well hiding their islamist credentials)

khalid don`t believe the nonsense about Kenyan invansion and Ethiopian invansion, these guy cadaankii have decided somali is where they want to be and these states must play supporting act)

Its clear petrol ba lo socda, the west wants to move away from the liability and indefensible called Strait of Hormuz.
The biggest problem was the hawiye and ogadeen never understood the weakness of our neibhoures they sided with amhaaro iuyo Oromo but things have changed

As for my people anaka mar rasaasta wa ku tuurna ethiopianka marna hub b aka so qadana, Ethiopia wa niman dulqaad badan wa niman the Amhara iyo Eritreans iska ilaaliniya

[skywalker25]

can speak for my beesha, saladiinta beesha are influential and still maintain their grip on the affairs of beesha, and they are where the buck stops.
Ugaaska beesha works through census and makes finial verdict but most of the time he lets situations play out before he intervenes

There is even global organisational frame work like wakiilka ugaaska beesha sade ee East Africa, Europe and north america
Saladiinta beesha sade refrain from politics even their language is beyond politics and it borders religious discourse.
Beesha sade still has 1 Ugaas that commands absolute loyalty from saladiinta, siyasinta, ulimada beesha sade
I think marexaan is one of the few somali clans that still maintain and comply with ancient treaties with other clans.
Marexaan has accumulated vast bilateral agreements with every Somali clan they even have agreement with Somalis in kenya like murule, degodi and garre.

There is one thing we don`t mix daqanka and siyasata, we have spokesperson that articulates the position of beesha but hardly would you see saladinta taking political positions.
There is a big difference between how isaaq operate their system of mixture of daqanka and matters of siyasad
suldanka ciedagale commands less authority then cabdi warabe among the isaaq among the marexaan that would be considered a challenge

siyaad barre challenged ugaaska marexaan couple times and very time ugaaska beesha sade reigned supreme. The most famous time was during the civil war, when marexaan told siyad barre, this is war between your government and hawiye not between hawiye and marexaan until hawiye attacked

ugaaska marexaan never declares or accepts war, that is the role of siyasinta and military, but ugaaska he sanctions or rejects war being waged under the banner of marexaan only he has that privilege
ugaasku wu ka sharaf waynyahay war and politics.

Marexaan practise monocracy when it comes to hierarchy it has been the same ever since saldanda beesha was established since abadir muuse times and only 1 time was it challenged and that event became a somali legend “magta maxamed dauud,” that means one who carries a unpayable burden

When the civil war happened between marexaan and xawadle in hiiraan everybody played by the rules and even with habar gedir, you can say a lot about aided but he maintained ancient laws between marexaan and habar gedir

There is a big difference between us and hawiye because among the hawiye non saladin command the heights of general hawiye affairs (except abgaal)
Only al shabab posed a threat the structure of beesha when they appointed their own ugaasyo and that was one of the reason beesha totally waged war against al shabab

There is a guy in Hargeisa called ugaas weli who claims to be ugaas but in the eyes of beesha he is fugitive and apostate and we held al shabab responsible and they paid for their crime dearly, hence him being in hargeisa far away from beesha
Even the mighty barre hiiraale at the height of his power new his place, so yes marexaan ugas plays critical role but not in political affairs.

He sets the rules and gives verdict; beesha plays because marexaan name is the property of its king
Daarod is also highly organised structure it’s amazing how the daarood maintain uniformity in what they call “daqan daarood,” while being separated geographically

southern somalia resembles holy roman empire and the resilient clans are those that are organised structurally

I think your dhaqan is more involved in politics than our dhaqan!

There was mx ugaas vs mx sultan during the jl conference if I can remember

You have high sultan who equals the ugaas and I think your dhaqan is part of the mx problem

I once refused our clan to have a sultan who deals with the political problems in some meeting bc it will scatter us more. we only got ugaas

Dhaqan or ugaas doesn't involve in our politics as hawadle, his role is only dealing with the other clans

Hiiraan is run by a kid who was born in 1980, this shows how our elders are far from politics


Why in the south we would need "elders" when most influential people in the govt hail from the minorities?

Clan is behind our problems and it cannot be the solution for them

Take example for suldan wabar, this man is well respected among his subsubclan and maybe the whole clan so all his people will follow him!

In the south no one follows whatever sultan!

Listen lads,

You two are like a broken record and the only thing consistent is that after all your theories, and I must admit you have many, and all is said and done, your end product still adds up to ZERO.

Let me simplfy typhoon and Sahal's case in simple arithmetic..

Bullsh!t+Zero=Zero

Let me break it down even more. You have all this fake bravado about how southern politics is more advanced than Somalilands. This is a very bold statement and I must give them credit, they produce or attempt to produce, what can only be classed as someones wild imagination as proof.

Now, how is it that a very advanced political system in the south has produced zero end product? This is the question which they try to navigate around with excuses. The imagination of Sahal and Typhoon is totally at odds with reality. Its like having a mentally patient (somali)living in a house but because he is incapable of living alone he gets cared for by a male nurse(AMISOM). This male nurse looks after him and without his help the patient would die. It doesnt stop their. Also the patient has two or three more nurses who all need this mental patient not to improve.

And our friend Typhoon and Sahal are trying to make us understand the mind of a mind man......