My Belated Thoughts On The Berbera Fiasco

[Ismail87]

I see some people are even troubled by the idea that Isaq and Daarood subclans can have something in common.

Can Someone remind me what was meant by....oodi ab ka dhow.

Doesn't a dhulbahante has more in common with HJ than Ogaden? Or Jibriil Abokor having more in common with a Gadabuursi than a Sacad Yonis (HY) in bari?

Can't believe some people are so cuqdad driven they can't even bring themselves to acknowledge commonalities between subclans who lived side by side for centuries.

Or does accepting simple and undeniable facts makes one a traitor?

Cajiiib!!!

Kuwii isla degaba way is xigaan. Sacad Muuse and Sacad Yoonis sub clans have very little in common because they don't live anywhere near each other. My sub clan has more in common with the Majerteen, Ogaden, and HY in Hawd than the HJ in Qorilugud because waanu isla degnaa.

While the majority of DH don't even border HJ, almost all the large DH sub clans border MJs. The border starts near Qardho and ends in Danood deep inside hawd.

Cuqdad iyo waxaad sheegaysid taasi ma ahee it is the truth adba mapka soo qaado.

[Buraanbur]

I see some people are even troubled by the idea that Isaq and Daarood subclans can have something in common.

Can Someone remind me what was meant by....oodi ab ka dhow.

Doesn't a dhulbahante has more in common with HJ than Ogaden? Or Jibriil Abokor having more in common with a Gadabuursi than a Sacad Yonis (HY) in bari?

Can't believe some people are so cuqdad driven they can't even bring themselves to acknowledge commonalities between subclans who lived side by side for centuries.

Or does accepting simple and undeniable facts makes one a traitor?

Cajiiib!!!

Kuwii isla degaba way is xigaan. Sacad Muuse and Sacad Yoonis sub clans have very little in common because they don't live anywhere near each other. My sub clan has more in common with the Majerteen, Ogaden, and HY in Hawd than the HJ in Qorilugud because waanu isla degnaa.

While the majority of DH don't even border HJ, almost all the large DH sub clans border MJs. The border starts near Qardho and ends in Danood deep inside hawd.

Cuqdad iyo waxaad sheegaysid taasi ma ahee it is the truth adba mapka soo qaado.

That was my point. Some people want to play up the similarities between the Isaaq and DH & Warsan but downplay the similarities between DH,Warsan and MJ. It's almost as if they think we don't border each other. Like there's a gulf between British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland borders so we can't live together or have cultural similarities.

The Warsangeli arguably have more in common with Reer Bari MJ/Harti than any other clan. The Dhulbahante, Reer Nugaal/Mudug also have a lot in common. Everywhere outside of Puntland that an established, sizeable, DH/Warsan/MJ community exists, we all identify as Harti. Whether it be in the Jubbas, Kenya/East Africa, Oman etc. It's not only because of clan ties but because many of those older communities left Puntland together. However, this doesn't fit with the Reer Waqooyi vs Reer Konfuur narrative some want to peddle where all Isaaqs are culturally similiar but Darood are either like the Isaaq or the Hawiye.

[Bence]

From what I notice, the only people that are claiming that Dhulbahantes and Warsash have more in common with Isaaqs then Majeerteens are Isaaqs. Love how they go to extreme lengths to divide Harti. Soon you'll hear them say that Dhulos and Warsans are Issaq.

[KyrieJama]

Jalaaludiin,

My sub-clan Bah-ararsame for example do not even border with Isaaq, we live in Laaska, southern Sool and all the way into killinka as far as Wardheer. We mainly border other Dhulos, Cumar Maxamoud, Awrtable, Bicidyahan and Maxamed Subeer of the Ogadeen.

The Dhulos sub-clans that border HJ &HY are Ahmed Garaad, Hayaag, Jamac Siyaad, Khalid and Naleeye Ahmed. While clan like Nuur Ahmed, Qayaad, Ugaasyo, Bah-ararsame, Cumar Wacays etc border Majerteen mostly. Many Dhulos sub-clans are Oodwadaag, inan iyo abtigis with Isaaq (mostly HJ), but we share a large border with our fellow Hartis (Majeerteen and Warsangeli) Awrtable and Ogaden as well.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

I agree, My sub-clan was actually Reer-Bari (Nugaal, Bari area) until 1921, we border the Mjs, Warsans, and other Dhulos, about 6 Dhulos Subclans border the Isaaq, but we also border, MJ, warsan & OG.

I also agree with Jala, cause we do have alot in comon with the Isaaq neighbours, which also leads to more conflicts sometimes too.

[26June1960]

However, this doesn't fit with the Reer Waqooyi vs Reer Konfuur narrative some want to peddle where all Isaaqs are culturally similiar but Darood are either like the Isaaq or the Hawiye.

This is exactly what I have been trying to shine light on. The entire Waqooyi-Konfuur bullshit was established to create a rift between one clan-family, while uniting another clan-family. Buraanbur, you're a bloody genius, we think alike.

[Sophisticate]

The thing you folks must understand is many of us in the west, myself in particular know little about life outside of that region. The only Darood clan I am related to is Geri Kombe, which have more of an agrarian mindset, similar to my people, Gadabursi which have abandoned the pastoral way nearly 200 years ago. As far as I'm concerned if you don't consider colonial boundaries Eastern dwellers whether they are HJ, HY, DH, MJ, W and OG have a lot in common, according to their worldview - which is overwhelming pastoral. On second thought, the vast majority of Somalis espouse that worldview. This might explain Hawadian aka WaaliCas fadi ku dirir proposal to adjoin Somaliland with Puntland, urging them both to succeed from Somalia. I have to admit there was a lot of novelty in his crazy ideas, which made them entertaining. You should have seen his graphics. Those were the days, before his Habeshi cultural awareness campaign.

[Buraanbur]

^ WaaliCas is a visionary and I agree with many of his views. It's my belief that SL-PL are a continuum.

However, this doesn't fit with the Reer Waqooyi vs Reer Konfuur narrative some want to peddle where all Isaaqs are culturally similiar but Darood are either like the Isaaq or the Hawiye.

This is exactly what I have been trying to shine light on. The entire Waqooyi-Konfuur bullshit was established to create a rift between one clan-family, while uniting another clan-family. Buraanbur, you're a bloody genius, we think alike.

I think some people sincerely believe in this Konfuur - Waqooyi dichotomy but it isn't that cut and dry. There are differences in dialect and cultural practices throughout the Somali-inhabited lands, but those differences are more extreme between communities that are further apart (i.e. Awdal vs Bay). That's just common sense. However, certain people have political ambitions ( carving out a separate identity based on dialect, culture, history etc) that they desperately want to be verified by evidence. Just because Sool and Sanaag are in 'historical British Somaliland' does not mean that the Darood-inhabitants of those regions have more in common with the Isaaq then they do with their neighbors in Bari and Nugaal. It just doesn't work that way. Realizing and accepting this fact will be hard for some.

[26June1960]

^ WaaliCas is a visionary and I agree with many of his views. It's my belief that SL-PL are a continuum.

However, this doesn't fit with the Reer Waqooyi vs Reer Konfuur narrative some want to peddle where all Isaaqs are culturally similiar but Darood are either like the Isaaq or the Hawiye.

This is exactly what I have been trying to shine light on. The entire Waqooyi-Konfuur bullshit was established to create a rift between one clan-family, while uniting another clan-family. Buraanbur, you're a bloody genius, we think alike.

I think some people sincerely believe in this Konfuur - Waqooyi dichotomy but it isn't that cut and dry. There are differences in dialect and cultural practices throughout the Somali-inhabited lands, but those differences are more extreme between communities that are further apart (i.e. Awdal vs Bay). That's just common sense. However, certain people have political ambitions ( carving out a separate identity based on dialect, culture, history etc) that they desperately want to be verified by evidence. Just because Sool and Sanaag are in 'historical British Somaliland' does not mean that the Darood-inhabitants of those regions have more in common with the Isaaq then they do with their neighbors in Bari and Nugaal. It just doesn't work that way. Realizing and accepting this fact will be hard for some.

I think I'm in love. You took those words right of off my mind. I would add to what you said, but honest to God, I am speechless.

[Kismaayo21]

waxaan wadda nahay Siyaad barre