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All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

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All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Poll ended at Fri Sep 18, 2015 1:30 pm

1. Yes 100% Agree.
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83%
2. We need to know a date when the Adoons & theirs masters will leave our land.
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3. Hell no if gaalo leave Al Shabaab will rule us.
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17%
 
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All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby knet » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:30 pm

All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia. Only Than Will We Be Able To Find A Lasting Solution To Our Problems.

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The last thing Somalia needs is additional outside interference. Instead, the world should pull out its forces. Again and again, foreign intervention there has only made conditions worse. Ethiopia’s decade long war with Somalia’s insurgents, managed only to empower the hardline Islamists. Likewise, the presence of the African Union force has made the insurgents seem stronger and more unified. (Meanwhile, the U.N.-approved transitional government the AU is meant to support remains largely impotent and controls no ground with it's own force)

To fight the foreigners, Al-Shabab has allied itself with another insurgent group. “The foreign military intervention is a unifying force for the extremists,” says Council on Foreign Relations fellow Bronwyn Bruton, author of an upcoming report on the political dynamics in Somalia. The current situation makes a long-term political solution much more difficult to achieve.


Hardhearted as it seems, the smartest response might be to let Al-Shabab try to seize Somalia. There are several reasons to think this could help. For one, the Islamist group is far from monolithic, and could well splinter without a foreign enemy to rally against. Second, many of Somalia’s factions are well armed and unlikely to be steamrolled by religious fanatics. Third, should they somehow manage to actually seize power, Al-Shabab would then face the immense challenge of governing. “Somalis don’t like harsh religious ideology,” Bruton says, and would thus likely resist Taliban-like rule. Foreign armies can still help—but only once Al-Shabab has crumbled on its own. And if outsiders return, it should be to rebuild, not to fight.


By Andrew Bast
Source: Newsweek
Last edited by knet on Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby knet » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:34 pm

Let nature take it's course, interventions only prolong conflicts.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby Arcturus » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:32 pm

Such a proposition is untenable.

International community has a collective responsibility to exercise a measure of humanity specially towards a subject that is suicidal.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby knet » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:42 pm

Such a proposition is untenable.

International community has a collective responsibility to exercise a measure of humanity specially towards a subject that is suicidal.
The International Community responsibility is to mind their own business. The Somali people should be the ones deciding the type of government they want. Fake democracy or Islam.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby Arcturus » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:53 pm

Such a proposition is untenable.

International community has a collective responsibility to exercise a measure of humanity specially towards a subject that is suicidal.
The International Community responsibility is to mind their own business. The Somali people should be the ones deciding the type of government they want. Fake democracy or Islam.
- Who's ships were hijacked?
- Who's countries are flooding with migrants?
- Who is held responsible for famines?
- Who is delivering services to the vulnerable somalis?
- Who Funded excess of 16 conferences to find somali leaders?

When you return your foreign passport and set foot on the land you talk about i can take you more seriously.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby knet » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:07 pm

Such a proposition is untenable.

International community has a collective responsibility to exercise a measure of humanity specially towards a subject that is suicidal.
The International Community responsibility is to mind their own business. The Somali people should be the ones deciding the type of government they want. Fake democracy or Islam.
Who's ships were hijacked? Greedy Companies, and they weren't hijacked but taxed.

Who's countries are flooding with migrants? The ones who's foreign policies start wars around the world.

Who is held responsible for famines? Aid Agencies who cause them.

Who is delivering services to the vulnerable somalis? Allah

Who Funded excess of 16 conferences to find somali leaders? All 16 have fail perhaps they should now realize they are the problem.

When you return your foreign passport and set foot on the land you talk about i can take you more seriously.
And I do not need someone who is mentally ill to take me serious. :som: :up: :stylin:

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby Arcturus » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:10 pm

Ok Dude good luck getting them out without a fight!

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby TheCadaanGuy » Sat Jun 20, 2015 6:35 pm

One solution that could satisfy everyone except those living on ground in Southern Somalia:

Deport every single foreign soldiers, advisers and aid organizations right off the bat. Al-Shabaab might take over but then they might not. Regardless whether they will take over or not, they will face heavy opposition from tribes.

Somaliland and Puntland would get together and take over the south. It is only them who Al-Shabaab can't use the gaalo argument. Tribes would been forced to join them as it's either them or Al-Shabaab.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby Prlnce » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:29 pm

All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia. Only Than Will We Be Able To Find A Lasting Solution To Our Problems.

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The last thing Somalia needs is additional outside interference. Instead, the world should pull out its forces. Again and again, foreign intervention there has only made conditions worse. Ethiopia’s decade long war with Somalia’s insurgents, managed only to empower the hardline Islamists. Likewise, the presence of the African Union force has made the insurgents seem stronger and more unified. (Meanwhile, the U.N.-approved transitional government the AU is meant to support remains largely impotent and controls no ground with it's own force)

To fight the foreigners, Al-Shabab has allied itself with another insurgent group. “The foreign military intervention is a unifying force for the extremists,” says Council on Foreign Relations fellow Bronwyn Bruton, author of an upcoming report on the political dynamics in Somalia. The current situation makes a long-term political solution much more difficult to achieve.


Hardhearted as it seems, the smartest response might be to let Al-Shabab try to seize Somalia. There are several reasons to think this could help. For one, the Islamist group is far from monolithic, and could well splinter without a foreign enemy to rally against. Second, many of Somalia’s factions are well armed and unlikely to be steamrolled by religious fanatics. Third, should they somehow manage to actually seize power, Al-Shabab would then face the immense challenge of governing. “Somalis don’t like harsh religious ideology,” Bruton says, and would thus likely resist Taliban-like rule. Foreign armies can still help—but only once Al-Shabab has crumbled on its own. And if outsiders return, it should be to rebuild, not to fight.


By Andrew Bast
Source: Newsweek

That's an article from 2009.

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Re: All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia

Postby BowerDanger » Sun Jun 21, 2015 8:37 am

All Foreign Troops, Advisors & Aid Organization Need To Vacate Somalia. Only Than Will We Be Able To Find A Lasting Solution To Our Problems.

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The last thing Somalia needs is additional outside interference. Instead, the world should pull out its forces. Again and again, foreign intervention there has only made conditions worse. Ethiopia’s decade long war with Somalia’s insurgents, managed only to empower the hardline Islamists. Likewise, the presence of the African Union force has made the insurgents seem stronger and more unified. (Meanwhile, the U.N.-approved transitional government the AU is meant to support remains largely impotent and controls no ground with it's own force)

To fight the foreigners, Al-Shabab has allied itself with another insurgent group. “The foreign military intervention is a unifying force for the extremists,” says Council on Foreign Relations fellow Bronwyn Bruton, author of an upcoming report on the political dynamics in Somalia. The current situation makes a long-term political solution much more difficult to achieve.


Hardhearted as it seems, the smartest response might be to let Al-Shabab try to seize Somalia. There are several reasons to think this could help. For one, the Islamist group is far from monolithic, and could well splinter without a foreign enemy to rally against. Second, many of Somalia’s factions are well armed and unlikely to be steamrolled by religious fanatics. Third, should they somehow manage to actually seize power, Al-Shabab would then face the immense challenge of governing. “Somalis don’t like harsh religious ideology,” Bruton says, and would thus likely resist Taliban-like rule. Foreign armies can still help—but only once Al-Shabab has crumbled on its own. And if outsiders return, it should be to rebuild, not to fight.


By Andrew Bast
Source: Newsweek
So if Al Shabab ends up capturing Puntland you'll be fine with that?


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