Sahal, come in

[Rambie]

Give us an analysis.

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Somal ... 6-20150728

http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?N ... bg2aPmstGo

[thegoodshepherd]

Culusow just proposed this as a solution.

warning PDF: http://puntlandi.com/wp-content/uploads ... imacy1.pdf

Notice how even Culusow acknowledges that Puntland is a FMS (Federal Member State) and that all others are IRA (Interim Regional Administration). Culusow is also trying to push Benadir as a federal state, listing it alongside Hiraan/Shabelle and Galmudug
Also tries to ignore degmos and focus more on dividing seat based on 4.5, only a little more democratic i.e less role for "elders".

[Rambie]

There you go Sahal,

TGS just added fresh raw materials for you to examine.
What is your take on these major events and developments
that toke place quite recently in Xamar/Somalia ?

What happened, cat eat your tongue?

[libaaxyare]

Democracy and one man one vote is own by westerns countries, its western invention western ideas and have no value to us

4.5 or 5.0 System is a Somalia's own System, Hawiye invention system, Hawiye ideas its a system based on reality and equal opportunities to all clans.

I rule my self my own invention and own ideas and I refused to copy a western system beat that.

[Rambie]

Democracy and one man one vote is own by westerns countries, its western invention western ideas and have no value to us

4.5 or 5.0 System is a Somalia's own System, Hawiye invention system, Hawiye ideas its a system based on reality and equal opportunities to all clans.

I rule my self my own invention and own ideas and I refused to copy a western system beat that.

You missed my point from this thread yaroow.
I didn't make it to bash Hawiya or Xamar as you think.
So you might wanna stop getting defensive and take your AK of my face.

I made it because Sahal is very quick to
make many negatives analysis about all non-Hawiya inhabitant regions of Somalia
and Somaliland, but doesn't have a motivation to do the same on the capital Xamar.
If it was a positive news, he would blow it out of proportion and get high of happiness.

But when negative news are circulating, he either stays quite
or make excuses/ biased analysis on why it's not bad as it looks
or it's actually good!

Sahal

[libaaxyare]

Democracy and one man one vote is own by westerns countries, its western invention western ideas and have no value to us

4.5 or 5.0 System is a Somalia's own System, Hawiye invention system, Hawiye ideas its a system based on reality and equal opportunities to all clans.

I rule my self my own invention and own ideas and I refused to copy a western system beat that.

You missed my point from this thread yaroow.
I didn't make it to bash Hawiya or Xamar as you think.
So you might wanna stop getting defensive and take your AK of my face.

I made it because Sahal is very quick to
make many negatives analysis about all non-Hawiya inhabitant regions of Somalia
and Somaliland, but doesn't have a motivation to do the same on the capital Xamar.
If it was a positive news, he would blow it out of proportion and get high of happiness.

But when negative news are circulating, he either stays quite
or make excuses/ biased analysis on why it's not bad as it looks
or it's actually good!

Sahal

This is analysis 5.0 is the system Somalia choose over Western democracy so How can this be a bad news? this is a good news it gives opportunity to all clans specially small weaker once to have all represented in Somali government, whereas if one man one vote took place today Hawiye will end up collecting majority votes like they did in 1960's, this is a justice system its Somalia's own invention system and not a copy of westernize democracy.

Islam is the best system, if its not islam then 5.0 system is the best even westerns take a note on how this system gives a voice to minority and all parties and is better then western Democracy.

Western democracy Majority rules, this is why now you see gays and lesbian numbers increase and they rule most of westrenised countries.

[Rambie]

This is analysis 5.0 is the system Somalia choose over Western democracy so How can this be a bad news? this is a good news it gives opportunity to all clans specially small weaker once to have all represented in Somali government, whereas if one man one vote took place today Hawiye will end up collecting majority votes like they did in 1960's, this is a justice system its Somalia's own invention system and not a copy of westernize democracy.

Islam is the best system, if its not islam then 5.0 system is the best even westerns take a note on how this system gives a voice to minority and all parties and is better then western Democracy.

Western democracy Majority rules, this is why now you see gays and lesbian numbers increase and they rule most of westrenised countries.

[libaaxyare]

This is analysis 5.0 is the system Somalia choose over Western democracy so How can this be a bad news? this is a good news it gives opportunity to all clans specially small weaker once to have all represented in Somali government, whereas if one man one vote took place today Hawiye will end up collecting majority votes like they did in 1960's, this is a justice system its Somalia's own invention system and not a copy of westernize democracy.

Islam is the best system, if its not islam then 5.0 system is the best even westerns take a note on how this system gives a voice to minority and all parties and is better then western Democracy.

Western democracy Majority rules, this is why now you see gays and lesbian numbers increase and they rule most of westrenised countries.

your playing games but this is not a joke ins an analysis

5.0 is a Somali's own Xeer system it will be a threat to Democracy and the more people expose to the greater the threat, i already presented to my University a year ago an improved one i called 6.0 Xeer, This includes womans clan, and its been rated number 1 better then democracy. i also posted my analysis here why its better then democracy

viewtopic.php?t=361294

My task is to take this Somali xeer to the next level and make aware of many countries and hopefully will see other countries adopting this Xeer according to what ever divides them they can from from 2.0 to 100.0 and even 10,00000 Xeer.

[Rambie]

your playing games but this is not a joke ins an analysis

5.0 is a Somali's own Xeer system it will be a threat to Democracy and the more people expose to the greater the threat, i already presented to my University a year ago an improved one i called 6.0 Xeer, This includes womans clan, and its been rated number 1 better then democracy. i also posted my analysis here why its better then democracy

viewtopic.php?t=361294

My task is to take this Somali xeer to the next level and make aware of many countries and hopefully will see other countries adopting this Xeer according to what ever divides them they can from from 2.0 to 100.0 and even 10,00000 Xeer.

Wow,
You really have a thick skull ha?

Read the headline kiddo, I didn't address you.
Or do you wanna take a bullet for your friend Sahal?

For the last time, I don't give a shit
about your analysis, 4.5 system or xeer
for that matter. Stop taking shit all over my thread and move on.

[sahal80]

Rami

I dont get whats your point is about and what this has got to do with me

I dont think you understand the SFG politics or what I talk about often to begin with so stick to your inclave and your habro politics!

I told you before your here only for the sake of the argument not to make points





Puntland is not a federal member state!

How many times this was said, even the govt has stated it

You dont seem to understand what means federalism, it means that you will be placed under the federal govt

You army will be integrated, your ports will pay taxes

interim means the govt is looking after them for political and security readons such as kismayo, beledweyne...baydhabo

Galmudug, himanheeb had a semi-autonomous status but bc they dont make enough regions they had to come together and form one interim admin

Pl is not an interim admin nor a federal state, its a semi-autonomous region that deals with a federal govt

Will be the last....untill the southcentral region is over

no prez hassan or any politician has the power to state this, theres a federal process and commissions...we havent reached yet that stage

See this westren link: no single federal state yet exists including pl
http://m.irinnews.org/report/99600/brie ... bjRNxl0PqA

What the goodshepherd posted was suggested by guys like kamal gutale, its not a real document(probably suggestions)

I have been talking about some planb for the elections since 2014

this govt has wasted its time on political infighting thats why the IC was against changing the pm not bc they support him as a politician...

its not just the govt but also the parliament who needs the extension too

nick kay himself has stated the impossibility of holding one man one vote elections and he has his own alternative agenda (I have revealed it before) but there should be no extension

now the corrupt parliament and the govt want to confront the IC just like they did against the former pm using empty slogans such as sovereignty, constitution, the somali institutions to extend their term atleast one year

How and when the elections... will be stated by them within this year

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2015/July/w ... -92414.htm

[Rambie]

Rami

I dont get whats your point is about and what this has got to do with me

I dont think you understand the SFG politics or what I talk about often to begin with so stick to your inclave and your habro politics!

I told you before your here only for the sake of the argument not to make points





Puntland is not a federal member state!

How many times this was said, even the govt has stated it

You dont seem to understand what means federalism, it means that you will be placed under the federal govt

You army will be integrated, your ports will pay taxes

interim means the govt is looking after them for political and security readons such as kismayo, beledweyne...baydhabo

Galmudug, himanheeb had a semi-autonomous status but bc they dont make enough regions they had to come together and form one interim admin

Pl is not an interim admin nor a federal state, its a semi-autonomous region that deals with a federal govt

Will be the last....untill the southcentral region is over

no prez hassan or any politician has the power to state this, theres a federal process and commissions...we havent reached yet that stage

See this westren link: no single federal state yet exists including pl
http://m.irinnews.org/report/99600/brie ... bjRNxl0PqA

What the goodshepherd posted was suggested by guys like kamal gutale, its not a real document(probably suggestions)

I have been talking about some planb for the elections since 2014

this govt has wasted its time on political infighting thats why the IC was against changing the pm not bc they support him as a politician...

its not just the govt but also the parliament who needs the extension too

nick kay himself has stated the impossibility of holding one man one vote elections and he has his own alternative agenda (I have revealed it before) but there should be no extension

now the corrupt parliament and the govt want to confront the IC just like they did against the former pm using empty slogans such as sovereignty, constitution, the somali institutions to extend their term atleast one year

How and when the elections... will be stated by them within this year




http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2015/July/w ... -92414.htm

I want you to give me some thing thats new not for the sake of the argument and I have already answered your repetitive points from national and international perspective aka vision2016

Who r you to discredit it?

We have timetable for every thing but whats yours?

All you have is this falsehood sense of xamar not coming back, thetefore im fine lol

Adeer trainka yoo kaa tagin!

[sahal80]

poor rami!

Firstly you misunderstood the article thinking that there wont be elections!

your political novice so pls stop talking about what you dont know

I would have welcomed you if you know what your talking about or know where im coming from but sadly thats not the case!

Just to nullify your claims, open the second link in wardheer "will elections" and see the 2016 agenda by yourself(just what it says not what the article thinks of it)

This is not like the unrecognized council of elders that operates under some tree and supports the term extension for the ruler lol

All these agendas will be implemented, the only problem we got now is about holding direct elections and maybe...maybe.. the referendum on the constitution

reasons; "theres no enough time" but they did it intentionally so they can stay longer

In the first link of wardheer you can see that the IC has no problem for not holding direct elections but no term extension
http://www.wardheernews.com/diminishing ... ions-2016/

this is the ICs vision
viewtopic.php?f=250&t=367853
This was the ethiopian plan
viewtopic.php?f=250&t=345733

Yes and yes the govt and parliament would love to extend their terms using whatever excuses and slogans against the IC but, they wont enjoy legitimacy as their mandate comes to end in august 2016

Its not like when they were removing the former pm

Even if they succeed in this they need $ and how on earth they could implement it?

This corrupt parliament will go soon and there will be a new one to vote for a new president


Finally the agenda is one thing and talking about the politics are another thing

I have been revealing what the govt was planning since abril 2014 when the media and you had no clue of it so here your confronting me with my old breaking news lol

When did I talked about the govt and the parliament taking one stance on the extension/elections? See how I even put it in connection with the case of yuulka bc empowering the parliament against the IC will set a president that will pave the way for their own term extension!!

IGAD is part of this policy as well bc they dont wanna the donors to fix somalia through this vision and bc if the govt has no westren backing, it will relay on them!

Macasalama kid! keep posting your gifs Lol


viewtopic.php?f=250&t=357428&start=30

viewtopic.php?f=250&t=367853

[Siciid85]

Sahal how come in one post you have good grasp of Queens language with good grammer and easy to follow structure but in other times it seems you are bar barad.

[jalaaludin5]

Rami

I dont get whats your point is about and what this has got to do with me

I dont think you understand the SFG politics or what I talk about often to begin with so stick to your inclave and your habro politics!

I told you before your here only for the sake of the argument not to make points





Puntland is not a federal member state!

How many times this was said, even the govt has stated it

You dont seem to understand what means federalism, it means that you will be placed under the federal govt

You army will be integrated, your ports will pay taxes

interim means the govt is looking after them for political and security readons such as kismayo, beledweyne...baydhabo

Galmudug, himanheeb had a semi-autonomous status but bc they dont make enough regions they had to come together and form one interim admin

Pl is not an interim admin nor a federal state, its a semi-autonomous region that deals with a federal govt

Will be the last....untill the southcentral region is over

no prez hassan or any politician has the power to state this, theres a federal process and commissions...we havent reached yet that stage

See this westren link: no single federal state yet exists including pl
http://m.irinnews.org/report/99600/brie ... bjRNxl0PqA

What the goodshepherd posted was suggested by guys like kamal gutale, its not a real document(probably suggestions)

I have been talking about some planb for the elections since 2014

this govt has wasted its time on political infighting thats why the IC was against changing the pm not bc they support him as a politician...

its not just the govt but also the parliament who needs the extension too

nick kay himself has stated the impossibility of holding one man one vote elections and he has his own alternative agenda (I have revealed it before) but there should be no extension

now the corrupt parliament and the govt want to confront the IC just like they did against the former pm using empty slogans such as sovereignty, constitution, the somali institutions to extend their term atleast one year

How and when the elections... will be stated by them within this year

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2015/July/w ... -92414.htm

I like how you love Somali politics and always try to stay on top of what's happening on the ground, even if people might not agree with your take on things. But since you are here to inform, share and to some extend educate members who do not fully understand the complexity of Somali politics, try to control your emotions. We no you are a Somali, a Southerner, and just like the rest you hail from a clan. Not need to pretend putting forward a fair analysis of what's going when your biased nature betray your clanist agenda. Yes, everyone has the best interest of their clan at heart but not everyone is "the inhouse political analyst

Secondly, what ever your personal feelings towards Somaliland is, there is nothing
that can change the fact that its totally separate from Somalia and a functioning country by all accounts except in paper. Self-belief, determination and hard work can never be substitute for an empty tittle. Recognition. Somalia is recognised by IC but lack all the things that make Somaliland what it is. A fully stable, peaceful country with a democratically elected government.

You put too much faith on the laws of the IC and the letters of the law while you dismiss and diminish the sacrifices of people who refused to wait for the mountain to come to them and decided to instead go to the mountain.

May Allah bring an ever lasting peace to Somalia. Ameen.
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[Rambie]

Sahal is hilarious !
Why you try so hard to put words into my mouth?
You misunderstood kulaha, scroll up Mr. Political analysis.


I didn't say there will be no election, but not one man one vote as you claimed
before on your timetable,

Read the headline of your own Wardeer link.

Diminishing Hope for one-man one-vote: an Alternative elections in 2016

or AMISOM extending their mission in Somalia, which you dodged conveniently.

But again you're Sahal, you'll take my words out of context or inject
irrelevant topics to cover the shortcomings of your people, and than claim
to be neutral! I didn't really expect much from you, Mr. undercover qabalist.

LOL @ unrecognized house of elders, is this what you tryna
do? Turn this into comparison between Somalia and SL political structure to change the subject.



Our house of elders is better than your PM's
who are supposedly chosen by the public but their
vote can be brought by 3 - 5k during the so called motions.

Extending the term is nothing new, it's not
like bringing down entire government by bribing MP's.


And Yes, I use GIFS. You have a problem with that?