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Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby Hararboy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 1:54 am

Even the Kenyans are taking notice as more of their foreign investors migrate to ethiopia due to more competitive labour costs and government assistance. I believe that Somalilander and Djibouti will be middle income port countries within 20 years if they play their cards right, perhaps they will become the Dubai and Singapore of Africa. Long live the Somaliland/Djibouti/Ethiopia alliance :stylin:



Ethiopia is welcoming the investors Kenya has frustrated

Ethiopians are taking advantage of Africa’s population dividend to target investors moving out of China, and providing a soft landing for them in Ethiopia.

Investors are flocking in, and the many hotel brands that have mushroomed all over Addis Ababa are not disappointed.
One phone call and an Ethiopian official on a Tuesday morning secured an appointment the next day, Wednesday. They travelled to Ethiopia and were met at the airport.






By BITANGE NDEMO
Ethiopia is the world’s fastest growing economy.
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If you doubt that, watch CNN’s recent which highlighted this second-most populous nation in Africa whose economy has consistently grown by double digits over the past 10 years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... kcGwBlHUkU[/youtube]

Several industrial parks have been built and more are coming up. There are four operational industrial parks, three of which are privately owned.

They include the Eastern Industrial Zone at Dukem, the , and Modjo Industrial Zone owned by George Shoe. A government-owned industrial park, Bole Lemi Industrial Zone is also coming up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... LkJL-nBFlw[/youtube]

Ethiopians are taking advantage of Africa’s population dividend to target investors moving out of China, and providing a soft landing for them in Ethiopia.

Their flagship , which would put our Konza to shame, is coming up, connected to Addis with the ultra-modern Modjo-Hawassa Expressway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... FV_gPRC07k[/youtube]

Construction of the 700-acre Hawassa Industrial Park started last year. It will accommodate 35 factory sheds and 19 exhibition halls, food courts, dormitories, and other required facilities in the first phase. The country aims to become Africa’s hub for manufacturing.

AFRICA'S AGOA LEADER

Ethiopia has identified textile, agro-processing, leather, light electronic manufacturing and other labour intensive industries to absorb the massive number of youths who are unemployed.

The Chinese have financed and built most of these industrial parks. Whenever they encounter African indiscipline, they themselves through rather harsh measures.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... zD5yaiCSIA[/youtube]

Consequently, Ethiopia is now Africa’s leading exporter of boots to US under the African Growth Opportunity Act (AGOA).

It is not just industrial parks they are building. At the Africa Economic Commission for Africa experts meeting, Arkkebe Oqubay, Minister and Special Advisor to the Prime Minister, explained the source of their success.

“We realised that of the 1 million university students, more than 80 per cent were in arts. We headed to Germany and sought cooperation in higher learning. Today more than 80 per cent of the students are into science and technology,” he said. “We linked our learning institutions to industry. We still have 400 German educationists transplanting their system into Ethiopia.”

In addition to more than 40 public universities, Ethiopia has also created and equipped several technical institutions.

The import of all this is that Ethiopia is not just offering highly educated cheap labour but also fast improving power supply, transport and other infrastructure.

While we are still celebrating the Thika Superhighway, they were building expressways into the country’s interior. Ethiopia also built the first light rail system in East Africa and is now leveraging the technology transfer to build a rail network throughout the country and possibly into neighbouring countries.

In contrast, we have left it to the Chinese to complete our Standard Gauge Railway and stay on to provide maintenance services.

MINISTER 'ABRUPTLY TRAVELLED'

They are also likely to be invited to build future SGR extensions. Nobody is seriously concerned about Chinese technology transfer in Kenya.

The indiscipline and the lack of patriotism of our civil engineering firms, coupled with government inability or unwillingness to properly supervise them, means that the Chinese will be building public works in Kenya long after Ethiopians become really good at it.

Who knows, in future the Ethiopians might even replace the Chinese as builders of Kenyan public works!

Investors in Ethiopia are happy that the government is taking the initiative and delivering on promises. They are flocking in, and the many hotel brands that have mushroomed all over Addis Ababa are not disappointed.

During the reception at the Radisson Blue, I meet a group of European investors and this is what they told me. Initially, their desire was to set up in Kenya and grow their business to other parts of Africa.

They travelled to Nairobi. Through a local contact, they tried to set up an appointment with the Minister but after several days in Nairobi, the appointment never materialised.

They went back to Europe, saying they would try to get a firm appointment before coming back to Kenya. Eventually, the appointment was set up and they travelled to Kenya.

On reaching the Ministry, they were told that the Minister would not be in. He had abruptly travelled, without sending an apology to his guests.

A Director at the Ministry met with them and since he could not commit in anything, they achieved nothing.

But they had one last hope. That evening, they were to meet with a county Governor for dinner. The Governor showed up late with his wife, giving excuses that they had had a long drive and the traffic was unbearable.

SPEED OF ACTION

As they talked, the county Governor’s wife interrupted to tell the investors that she was setting up a children’s home and she would need Sh10 million donation to set off the project.

By this time they had made up their mind that Kenya was not going to be the place to invest. They politely paid for the dinner and left without mentioning the reason why they wanted to talk to the Governor.

To their surprise, the Governor did not ask what the purpose of their meeting was. With their Kenyan link, they decided to give Ethiopia a try.

One phone call and an Ethiopian official on a Tuesday morning secured an appointment the next day, Wednesday. They travelled to Ethiopia and were met at the Airport.

To their amazement, they were driven to the prestigious Sheraton Hotel by a retinue of vehicles led by a police car with a siren. In the evening, the Foreign Ministry had arranged a dinner with two other Ministers.

During the dinner, they were asked what kind of investment they were interested in. After explaining what they wanted, they were told that the following morning they would meet with the Governor of Oromia.

After breakfast on Thursday, they were driven to Oromia. The Governor was waiting for them. They were promptly shown three sites where they could put up the investment.

By 1pm, they had signed up a memorandum of understanding. Slightly more than three months later, they are through with the initial infrastructure on the ground.

With this speed of action, it does not surprise me why the Ethiopians are re-writing the story of economic transformation.

Kenyans may argue that they are a better democracy than Ethiopia, but that won’t stop a bloody revolution by dissatisfied, unemployed, hopeless youth who discover their leaders have grabbed everything including the entire Export Processing Zones.

FALLING THROUGH OUR FINGERS

Let us not just simplify corruption to mean stolen money. We must expand the definition of corruption to also include impeding progress.

Corruption must be understood by all its synonyms which, as per the Merrian-Webster Dictionary include: “alteration, falsification, doctoring, manipulation, manipulating, fudging, adulteration, debasement, degradation, abuse, subversion, misrepresentation, misapplication, breakdown, decay, decomposition, festering, putrefaction, putrescence, rot, spoilage.”

Fellow Kenyans, this is not the Ethiopia of 30 years where gun-toting youths met you at Bole International Airport. This is a country of patriots who know exactly where they want to take their country – and are succeeding.

Ethiopian leaders are not shooting themselves in the foot. They are thinking about their poor people, not just about lining their pockets. They appear to understand that the fate of all Ethiopians is inextricably intertwined – the fate of leaders and the led.

Sadly, this does not appear to be the case in Kenya. Until we put our national interests ahead of our own selfishness, we may never get near where Ethiopia has reached.

Our preoccupation with land is our undoing. The pride that Kenya is the largest economy in the region is fading fast. It is not the size of the economy that matters but rather how many of our people are escaping poverty and are benefitting from this size.

We must create employment for our youth and avoid the nasty consequences of our inaction, which will likely follow if we do not act to avert the creeping discontent.

Far too many opportunities are falling through our fingers. These opportunities come along only but once. We may never see them again.

ROOM FOR RISK-TAKING

We must foster good leadership devoid of threats, leverage our democracy to consult with the people, act within reasonable time and mind the national interest.

Above all, we must live by the rule of law. Selective justice, mob justice and failure to take personal responsibility for our actions, which happens to be the trademark of our culture, undermine the rule of law.

We must create room for risk taking that is necessary to propel our country to greater heights. Many Kenyans with or without leadership would die for their country but there must be political will to drive Kenya as a team.

Ethiopian leadership, through a combination of credibility born out of honest, patriotic, strategic leadership and high-handedness against dissenters, has galvanised the country with one specific objective – Prosperity.

The question we must ask ourselves, all of us, whether we are in government or the opposition, is: do ordinary Kenyans see us as honest people who are working for and minding their welfare or do they see as us all as competing, directionless monsters?

Do we really love Kenya? Do we love fellow Kenyans? Do our actions and utterances show this love for all Kenyans, regardless of ethnic origin?

John F. Kennedy said, “Economic growth without social progress lets the great majority of people remain in poverty, while a privileged few reap the benefits of rising abundance.”

As we take stock of economic growth, let us also ensure there is social progress. The measure of success in this modern day is how inclusive our economic growth is.

The writer is an associate professor at the University of Kenya
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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby GAMES » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:04 am

Ethiopia has potential and can become an economic success story. But they need to get a handle on their explosive demographic population.

They went from 40 million in 1970's, to 99 million for 2015 estimates.

Their agriculture isn't upto par also. They are just one crop failure, seasonal draught or lack of rain, from facing a massive starvation.

But good luck to them. :up:

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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby AwRastaale » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:18 am

Djibouti has the potential to become a wealthy state but they are not smart in their development scheme and some of their regional geopolitics.

For example it should not ally itself with Ethiopia against Eritrea to the point where Eritrea becomes too weak to vend off any Ethiopian aggression. Djibouti needs to be neutral as much as possible and even convince Mogadishu to deny Ethiopian games such as Asmara funds terrorists in Somalia.

If Ethiopia invades Eritrea and takes over Assab, Ethiopia will send Djibouti a thank you letter but with a middle finger.

So Djibouti should always balance the two and ensure it's a no-win no-war scenario and so it can continue to milk Ethiopia without a port.

Somaliland has long way to go but it is slowly becoming an integrated into Ethiopia. Somalia thinks it wins by blocking SL recognition but really the true winner is Ethiopia.

Whenever Sl needs something from abroad that it can't get because of lack of recognition, Ethiopia fills up the vacuum. Take for example education. How many students are going to Ethiopia? How many Ethiopian institutions of higher learning are in SL? Why?

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Ethiopia trains Somaliland civil society, traffic control, army officers/engineers, academia, etc...do you see how Somalia wins by keeping SL in unrecognized? In these picture, SL air control officers graduate from ET school of traffic.

If SL was recognized most of its students would not go to Ethiopia but pursue better destination with better education. At the moment few go to Malaysia and some to Sudan and India.

Admas Hargeisa


414 students graduate. Can you imagine when these students grow up and their own kids?

Admas Addis Ababa



In terms of trade, SL is not gaining much from Ethiopia but it could if it could improve its infrastructure.

Ethiopia is making money from SL. There is more money in Hargeisa than Addis Ababa in terms of cashflow.

Ethiopia follows same developmental scheme as China, which is top-down development approach while in SL it's the opposite. In Ethiopia ordinary civilians hardly have any cash but everything is developed by the Gov using foreign aid or foreign loans. In SL there is no gov, it is all individual privates taking initiatives. So when Ethiopians go to Hargeisa they get amazed how much money they can make.

Ethiopia's money is in the hands of institutions, elites, government and the mega-rich. Getting it from them is hard unless one is in their pool of trust or friends.

Somaliland has long way to go before it can ride on the back of Horn's giant Ethiopia. Djibouti is almost there and within the next two decades will be middle income nation.

Ethiopia itself needs revolutionary change. It is still pretty much the same feudal system as 18th century with Tigrai at the helm. There is no chance of Harari becoming a millionaire under them. Not even other Tigrai awrajas. The wealth will remain in the hands of Adwa, Adigrat and Axum like the current elites with few exceptions that pre-date TPLF reign such as Al Amoudi, Samuel Tafesse and Ayub Mamo.
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Postby JSL3000 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:36 am

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nvm

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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby JSL3000 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 2:59 am

We will see as long as time goes on who is the true winner after all. :sland: guul guul insha allah

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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby MRnutritionist » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:05 am

Good news you forgotten Somalia will be the new middle East in 20 years time, while etheoipians labourers take over Asian jobs Somalia will take over middle East oil gas uranium and natural resources

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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby Hararboy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:10 am

Djibouti has the potential to become a wealthy state but they are not smart in their development scheme and some of their regional geopolitics.

For example it should not ally itself with Ethiopia against Eritrea to the point where Eritrea becomes too weak to vend off any Ethiopian aggression. Djibouti needs to be neutral as much as possible and even convince Mogadishu to deny Ethiopian games such as Asmara funds terrorists in Somalia.

If Ethiopia invades Eritrea and takes over Assab, Ethiopia will send Djibouti a thank you letter but with a middle finger.

So Djibouti should always balance the two and ensure it's a no-win no-war scenario and so it can continue to milk Ethiopia without a port.

Somaliland has long way to go but it is slowly becoming an integrated into Ethiopia. Somalia thinks it wins by blocking SL recognition but really the true winner is Ethiopia.

Whenever Sl needs something from abroad that it can't get because of lack of recognition, Ethiopia fills up the vacuum. Take for example education. How many students are going to Ethiopia? How many Ethiopian institutions of higher learning are in SL? Why?

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Ethiopia trains Somaliland civil society, traffic control, army officers/engineers, academia, etc...do you see how Somalia wins by keeping SL in unrecognized? In these picture, SL air control officers graduate from ET school of traffic.

If SL was recognized most of its students would not go to Ethiopia but pursue better destination with better education. At the moment few go to Malaysia and some to Sudan and India.

Admas Hargeisa


414 students graduate. Can you imagine when these students grow up and their own kids?

Admas Addis Ababa



In terms of trade, SL is not gaining much from Ethiopia but it could if it could improve its infrastructure.

Ethiopia is making money from SL. There is more money in Hargeisa than Addis Ababa in terms of cashflow.

Ethiopia follows same developmental scheme as China, which is top-down development approach while in SL it's the opposite. In Ethiopia ordinary civilians hardly have any cash but everything is developed by the Gov using foreign aid or foreign loans. In SL there is no gov, it is all individual privates taking initiatives. So when Ethiopians go to Hargeisa they get amazed how much money they can make.

Ethiopia's money is in the hands of institutions, elites, government and the mega-rich. Getting it from them is hard unless one is in their pool of trust or friends.

Somaliland has long way to go before it can ride on the back of Horn's giant Ethiopia. Djibouti is almost there and within the next two decades will be middle income nation.

Ethiopia itself needs revolutionary change. It is still pretty much the same feudal system as 18th century with Tigrai at the helm. There is no chance of Harari becoming a millionaire under them. Not even other Tigrai awrajas. The wealth will remain in the hands of Adwa, Adigrat and Axum like the current elites with few exceptions that pre-date TPLF reign such as Al Amoudi, Samuel Tafesse and Ayub Mamo.
I dont think Ethiopia will ever invade Eritrea after that messed up war. Both nations pretty much impoverished themselves for just a little desolate town. In the end, ethiopia will just wait until the Eritrean regimes fail due to Afewerkis oppressive policies. This will happen when Afewerki dies, and this might take atleast a decade two and after that their might be a war between the Tigrinya people and the lowlanders. By that time Ethiopia would have the Somaliland, Djibouti and Kenyan port options. Also Assab has become rundown , they say itll take 15 years to modernise the port. Its useless to Ethiopians now. The Agames will not have the majority of the wealth in the future when Ethiopia open up its markets, their population is too small not to mention trying to enact policies that will hurt the wealth accumulation of larger ethnic groups such as Amhara or the Oromos will in the long term cost them their throne and hurt Ethiopians chance of getting out of poverty. They will slowly liberalize the economy and allow Oromos and Amhara to have their own rich elite whilst they will continue to hold most of the political power in Ethiopia.
Woyennes I think as much as i hate them are like best of three evils. If Oromos get into power, I believe they will destroy Ethiopia as theyve never had a unified state in their history and most feel like taking revenge on Habeshas and Habesha, esepcially Amharas will fight to the death not to be ruled by Oromos. If Amharas take power, everyone will secede as most still remember their ancestors crimes not to mention Amharas are expansionists and no one, even somalilander will want to deal with a people with a history of expansionism and back stabbing allies. Id much rather have nepotistic Woyenne as elites whilst they provide low paying jobs to other ethnic groups than genocide, ethnic cleansing or a civil war. With Amharas or Oromo rule, thats whats going to happen.

And Somaliland knows the value of its future relationship with Ethiopia, thats why even though they are not making good money now, most know they will be in the future as Berbera port increases capacity.
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Postby JSL3000 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:25 am

Awrastaale your exaggerating a bit there are kenyan and ugandan and other foreign connected universities in somaliland.there are somaliland students in kenya and uganda and many other places around the world some even come to usa through abaarso tech.

Different countries assist somaliland in different sectors not just ethiopia for example kenya also helped train another group of air traffic control cadets and it assists the judicial branch, british trains RRU and SPU, the EU helps train somaliland navy.denmark and uk any many other european nations also have donated money to development fund.egypt in health sector proves doctors and hospital supplies.kuwait donates money to build orphanages and refurbish airports.now the uae is about to take it to the next level and has made several pledges to donate money for development, it will no doubt have the biggest influence on somaliland.many countries have close links to somaliland not just ethiopia.

somaliland has not integrated into ethiopia just because of close ties stop lying to the audience.

somaliland is a democratic state while ethiopia is an authoritarian regime, you can't even compare them, it's two different worlds.
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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby AwRastaale » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:28 am

HararBoy,

I think you have wrong misconception about Oromo and perhaps some resentment since they buried Harar in the past.

Oromo ruled Ethiopia many decades, in fact, more than the Tigrais and nothing went wrong with it.

Without Oromo Ethiopia would not be Ethiopia. Menelik II would not come to power with Oromo freeing him from prison, housing him in Addis Ababa, his wife, without Ras Ali Mikael who defeated most of his foes in Wollo, Gondar, Gojjam and southern Tigray and most definitely without Ras Gobana Dache. Or Ras Makonnen who is the man who took control of Harar and became its governor before passing the torch to his son, the future Emperor Haile Selassie. Makonnen was Oromo but was related to Menelik from mother side. His mum and Menelik father are brother-sister. He was cousin of Menelik (ilmabti). That makes Haile Oromo himself.

So let's not disrespect the Oromo. Even the Habesha know these undeniable facts but they say things only to agitate the Oromo who are known to be emotional bunch.

Tigrais suffer from inferiority complex the most and no no wealth will rich the groups you said because it's a pyramid scheme.

They will not privatize or liberalize any industry without being removed from power.

And no wealthy is not about population. Wealth can be in the hands of minorities. Do you know that world's billionaires are only 1% of humanity? Why can't the same be replicated in Ethiopia?

It is already the case.

Ethiopia needs liberal market and democracy. Amhara are not expansionist. That is another misconception. Much of the expansion was done by Oromo. Historically the Oromo have always been the expanionists. They only slowed down while they ruled northern Abyssinia and left behind the way of the Gadaa/Odaa.

Before Oromo grabbed the throne from Abyssinians, there is no record of Abyssinians expanding. Even when they conducted military expeditions, they always retreated back to their origins.

It was only the Agews and the Oromo that expanded and established new capitals. Take for example before Agews, Habesha only sat around Axum. Then Agews took the capital to Lalibela before moving it to Gonder. The Oromo took over Gondar and even made Afaan-Oromo the language of the courts under the likes of the 17th century Ras Gugsa. From there Oromo toppled, appointed and crowned Habesha/Agew kings for the next 200 years until Emperor Menelik II, who himself appointed an Oromo to succeed him (Lij Iyassu).

So you misunderstood Oromo. There is no Ethiopia without Oromo.
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Postby Advo » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:32 am

Ethiopia has a huge ethnic tension problem which will hinder any sort of progress. The elephant in the room is getting bigger everyday and cannot be ignored. Unless that problem is addressed from the root, sh1t will hit the roof.

Remember at the end of the day If Somalia eats, so will Somaliland/Djibouti and vice verse. I definitely support our northern brothers making bank.

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Postby Hararboy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 3:52 am

HararBoy,

I think you have wrong misconception about Oromo and perhaps some resentment since they buried Harar in the past.

Oromo ruled Ethiopia many decades, in fact, more than the Tigrais and nothing went wrong with it.

Without Oromo Ethiopia would not be Ethiopia. Menelik II would not come to power with Oromo freeing him from prison, housing him in Addis Ababa, his wife, without Ras Ali Mikael who defeated most of his foes in Wollo, Gondar, Gojjam and southern Tigray and most definitely without Ras Gobana Dache. Or Ras Makonnen who is the man who took control of Harar and became its governor before passing the torch to his son, the future Emperor Haile Selassie. Makonnen was Oromo but was related to Menelik from mother side. His mum and Menelik father are brother-sister. He was cousin of Menelik (ilmabti). That makes Haile Oromo himself.

So let's not disrespect the Oromo. Even the Habesha know these undeniable facts but they say things only to agitate the Oromo who are known to be emotional bunch.

Tigrais suffer from inferiority complex the most and no no wealth will rich the groups you said because it's a pyramid scheme.

They will not privatize or liberalize any industry without being removed from power.

And no wealthy is not about population. Wealth can be in the hands of minorities. Do you know that world's billionaires are only 1% of humanity? Why can't the same be replicated in Ethiopia?

It is already the case.

Ethiopia needs liberal market and democracy. Amhara are not expansionist. That is another misconception. Much of the expansion was done by Oromo. Historically the Oromo have always been the expanionists. They only slowed down while they ruled northern Abyssinia and left behind the way of the Gadaa/Odaa.

Before Oromo grabbed the throne from Abyssinians, there is no record of Abyssinians expanding. Even when they conducted military expeditions, they always retreated back to their origins.

It was only the Agews and the Oromo that expanded and established new capitals. Take for example before Agews, Habesha only sat around Axum. Then Agews took the capital to Lalibela before moving it to Gonder. The Oromo took over Gondar and even made Afaan-Oromo the language of the courts under the likes of the 17th century Ras Gugsa. From there Oromo toppled, appointed and crowned Habesha/Agew kings for the next 200 years until Emperor Menelik II, who himself appointed an Oromo to succeed him (Lij Iyassu).

So you misunderstood Oromo. There is no Ethiopia without Oromo.
Youre going to have to give me some solid proof.

And I hate the Oromos because I see them as an inferior people with an inferior culture whove somehow managed to fuck our region just when we were at our weakness. As you said, they were the great expansionist, yet now their descendants are claiming we(the Habesha, Hararis) are the invaders and they are the original inabitants of Ethiopia. I see no civilisation to their names or achievements. And theyve assimilated Habeshas to their inferior culture in Shewa and Wollo. Oromos invading the highlands set back our people by centuries. I only hope they destroy themselves once they get their own state for what theyve done to my people. The only achievement they have is invading a great civilisation and having one of the highest birth rates in Africa so then they could consolidate their stolen territories. Now I see ugly midget Oromos in Harar everywhere.

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Postby AwRastaale » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:15 am

Hararbro,

You see you resent them and that clouded your judgement. In order to see the proves, one has to first open his eyes without any grudges or pre-determined judgement.

Oromo were chasing and ruling Abyssinians long before they came for Harar. Without Oromo soldiers and leaders commanding the Abyssinian forces, Habesha would have never discovered Harar or any of the other lands.

Oromo were great expansionist and the only thing Amhara about the 18th century expansion was the flag and the language.

As I explained Oromo ruled Abyssinia since 15th century and played role shaping it. Don't let all the talk misguide you.

Almost all of these leaders in Abyssinia came from the Yejju Oromo. Harar was ransacked by the Afran Qallu, Bale and the Arsi but it was the Shoan Oromo that stormed the city itself in the 18th century.

From Ras Gugssa of Wollo, Gojjam, Lasta (now Lalibela district part of Wollo), Gondar (Begemdir), Yejju, to Ras Tafari of Harar----Oromo played its rule in Ethiopia from 15th century to 2015.

The Habesha capital was Axum but the Agews unseated them and moved to north Wollo in present day Lalibela. From there they moved it to Wag, before Gondar, the Oromo moved it from Gondar to Debre Tabor, founded by Oromo rulers. From there Emperor Tewodros moved it to Magdala, which the British raided with the collaboration of Ras Kassa of Tigray (future Emperor Yohannes IV). Yohannes then made Meqelle in Tigray his capital after Tewodros was killed. Menelik II who was freed by Oromo went back to Shoa. After Yohannes was killed by the Dervishes of Sudan, Menelik named Addis his capital with the help of Ras Ali, Ras Makonnen and Ras Gobana, all Oromo. Makonnen himself was married to Oromo like his cousin (inabti) Menelik II. Ras Ali was married to the daughter of Menelik, half Oromo.

So dear brother some Oromo from the east twist things.

Without the expanionist Oromo, Abyssinia would have been north Wollo, eastern Gojjam, Gondar and Tigray.

You said Landers fear Amhara expansionism----not true. Amhara was never expanionist. It is the Oromo that will try to expand into Somali Peninsula. The first to fall will be Dire Dawa, Harar, Jigjiga and most of the Ogaden. I doubt Oromo will try to go north but aim for the south where they believe they were uprooted from.

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Where Haile got the name "Ethiopia" from. Originally the southern-central part of Africa was known as Ethiopia.
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Postby JSL3000 » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:29 am

Damn them oromo's is spreading like quick fire :damn:

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Re: Somaliland and Djibouti will become rich as Ethiopia is transformed into the China of Africa

Postby Hararboy » Wed Dec 16, 2015 4:37 am

Damn them oromo's is spreading like quick fire :damn:
That's their greatest talent. They like spreading their inferior genes to every highlander ethnic group in Ethiopia. That's why Eritreans are handsome when compared to the average midget oromo low IQ hybrid highlander. I can see why they wanted to secede from us. Luckily i can trace my roots to Tigray, Afar, Somaliland and Turkey, so I know I ain't part Oromo. Habeshas and Hararis should have been like Northern Somalis and protected their people from mating with inferior people like the Oromos. We were once a beautfiul, tall people with silky culry hair. Now the only people I see in Harar are Oromos in denial. Ill never accept an Oromo invaders as a Hadere
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