Somalia election talks collapse as Puntland delegates walk out

[cheifaqilbari]

Moqadisho HOL The third round talks discussing the model of elections the country would hold this year broke down Wednesday after Puntland delegates walked out in protest of a proposed power sharing arrangement, sources told HOL.
The development is a significant setback for the efforts aimed at ending the standoff, heaping worries that diplomats fear would interrupt the election plans. Somali leaders have earlier failed to narrow their gaps in two previous rounds of talks in Mogadishu and Kismayo.
According to sources, the talks attended by the country’s stakeholders including regional leaders hit a snag after the Puntland president Abdiweli Mohamed Ali walked out of the conference room in protest of the power sharing arrangement, a scenario endorsed by other regional leaders and Somali government representatives.
According to one official, Jubbaland leader, a long time close ally of Mr. Gaas also agreed to the power sharing arrangement proposed by Somali government.
The development comes against the backdrop of efforts by the international community to save the talks that dragged on for months.
Somalia’s government has proposed a presidential election in 2016; however, it dismissed the likelihood of holding popular elections due to security challenges.
Some of the country’s regional leaders suggested selections of the country’s parliament based on the 18 regions while others wanted making selections in line with federal states, significant sticking
points that attendants said complicated the talks.
Despite Jubbaland’s new political shift, Puntland and Jubbaland leaders have earlier recommended holding the upcoming elections, considering constituencies while leaders from Galmudug and South-western states dismissed the idea and in its place called for 4.5 formula of election.
According to Somalia’s Provisional Federal Constitution, adopted in 2012, the mandates of the Somali Federal Parliament and of the Government would come to an end in August and September 2016,
respectively.
The country still faces security challenges as the Al-Qaeda linked Al-Shabab group continues to carry out violent attacks across Somalia by carrying out guerrilla attacks including suicide attacks and
assassinations. http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2016/Jan/1 ... k_out.aspx

[SahanGalbeed]

So basically , one model favors the daarood and the other the hawiye , right ?
So if Jubbland agree with the model that supposedly favors the Hawiye , what's is wrong with Puntland ?
I think , HSM didn't go to Nairobi to pray on that KDF soldier's grave for nothing . Puntland has been outplayed

[gobdoon]

Habar fadhida legdini la fududa Siilanyo should be in there , but then isaq doesn'tknow what is good/bad for Isaq.

[Unionist]

Down with the 4.5

Puntland has the power to walk away and demand no clan representation. HSM doesn't even have control over the capital with warlords ready to switch sides when it's convenient for them.

Jubaland SouthWestern is on life support having Al shabaab in their vicinity and not doing a damn thing about it. They don't control all of their jurisdiction either. They have no business demanding anything when they're mostly in cahoots with Al shabaab and AMISOM pillaging and abusing shacabka.

Galmudug is not even a fully statehood. Their economy is dependent on Bosasso port and the best part of Galkacyo and 2/3 of Mudug is controlled by PL. It won't take long before they realize who has the upper hand.


Puntland will stand firm on their conviction. 4.5 is not an option for 2016. Never again.


Somalia will finally rid of those dirty politicians who gain seats through clanism. We don't want another 4 years of same status quo.

[knet]

Down with the 4.5

Puntland has the power to walk away and demand no clan representation. HSM doesn't even have control over the capital with warlords ready to switch sides when it's convenient for them.

Jubaland SouthWestern is on life support having Al shabaab in their vicinity and not doing a damn thing about it. They don't control all of their jurisdiction either. They have no business demanding anything when they're mostly in cahoots with Al shabaab and AMISOM pillaging and abusing shacabka.

Galmudug is not even a fully statehood. Their economy is dependent on Bosasso port and the best part of Galkacyo and 2/3 of Mudug is controlled by PL. It won't take long before they realize who has the upper hand.


Puntland will stand firm on their conviction. 4.5 is not an option for 2016. Never again.


Somalia will finally rid of those dirty politicians who gain seats through clanism. We don't want another 4 years of same status quo.

Well said, there is no backing down, it's a complete pull out for Puntland unless 4.5 is thrown in the trash.

We will form a New Federal Government for Somalia and do a power-sharing with Al Shabaab 50/50.

International Community got no meat in the game beyond those adoon troops, and they won't be able to fund those guys for to long.

[FarhanYare]

Down with the 4.5

Puntland has the power to walk away and demand no clan representation. HSM doesn't even have control over the capital with warlords ready to switch sides when it's convenient for them.

Jubaland SouthWestern is on life support having Al shabaab in their vicinity and not doing a damn thing about it. They don't control all of their jurisdiction either. They have no business demanding anything when they're mostly in cahoots with Al shabaab and AMISOM pillaging and abusing shacabka.

Galmudug is not even a fully statehood. Their economy is dependent on Bosasso port and the best part of Galkacyo and 2/3 of Mudug is controlled by PL. It won't take long before they realize who has the upper hand.


Puntland will stand firm on their conviction. 4.5 is not an option for 2016. Never again.


Somalia will finally rid of those dirty politicians who gain seats through clanism. We don't want another 4 years of same status quo.

Galmudug might not be a "state" as you said, but it is puntland's worst nightmare. They are reduced to walking out of every meeting just because someone disagrees with them. Typical childish behaviour!

[Cunaaye25]

let's wait till tomorrow the talks has collapsed anyways,

i blame The FAT Cunt cabdirashid wasakha , i rather have any day Saacid
that bastard has led down the tOL BIG time.....Beesha ayuu ka tuurey Buska....

what did they rewarded him in return to be a slave for culusow ,HAG and Damul jadid...A PlayStation and a big mac maybe .... he should be shot and assassinated........... he there to serve the beesha interest.

Cabdiwali and saacid will have never have done that shit........he revived culusow when cabdiwali was impeached and culusow lost credibility within the IC........ he could have taken this opportunity to run the country solely but instead he was content to be rewarded to play a playstaion and eating a big MAc.

Let alone Gheedi would have never done that shit....I like HAG prime minister they will never throw their told under the Bus...that's the difference between HAG and Daarood.


the Fat CUNt sharmuutka....they give him play station and and burger and he is content nacalaa...

OMar cabdirashid will be remembered today the Man who sold the beesha to HAG and Damul jadid.

Xaaladu waa bariga dhexe

[sahal80]

4.5 will continue hate or it like it

IC knows carte reconciliation process was based on it not boobkii 8 provinces wich has caused the civil war

Debate between ex gudoomiyaha jaaliyada UK iyo ictisam Islamist from PL(funny how he puts diinta in his qabiil agenda! Atleast the other guy is not using deen)

So one supports the continuation of 4.5 and the other 18 gobolkii

The presenter asks them to come up with a middle solution.....ex gudomiyaha says let us go back to the post-independence 8 gobol!

The salafi puntlander tells him its like the same reer wawaqooyi argument of lets go back to the pre-independence 1960!!

Funny he wants us to take his uncle, barre sadbursi when he gave every one of their subclans a province or two and more districts!

Adeeroow waxaas ka soo bax oo si siman qabiilada wax ula qaybso cid aad ka wayntahay majirto!

Start from 37:00 40:00... ..watch it from the YouTube not from this site to see the main points.

https://youtu.be/KptbENidEfY

[knet]

The stakes are to high in this game, Puntland has nothing to lose by walking out of this shit show, if we had agreed to 4.5 it's 100% loss.

Now we will sit back and watch the roof come down slowly on the fake powers that be.

Somaliland out, Puntland out and Al Shabaab still pretty strong. Soon enough the International community will lose faith and pull their adoon troops out. We will talk than

As for Maddow iyo Prime Minister they have 1 week to come to their senses or the roof will fall on them too with no where to run.

Ain't no one asking for shit, Puntland is in a position to demand and have its demands met period.

[SahanGalbeed]

They both make good points , too bad the Isaaq are not there to break the deadlock .
I would favor a going back to the original 8 if I were to give my opinion . No 16 or 18 or dir iyo daarood . The original 8

Otherwise they don't have a choice but to go 4.5 it seems

[knet]

They both make good points , too bad the Isaaq are not there to break the deadlock .
I would favor a going back to the original 8 if I were to give my opinion . No 16 or 18 or dir iyo daarood . The original 8

Otherwise they don't have a choice but to go 4.5 it seems

You just stay isolated and unregonized on the sideline that's where we like you best.

[FarhanYare]

Kent
You've burned too many bridges and now you want things to be handed to you on a silver plate ?

[GAMES]

In life, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose.

[Halmogg]

Inshallallah the deadlock will remain till we bury this so called union.

[AbdiWahab252]

Inshallallah the deadlock will remain till we bury this so called union.

Eat turtle!