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No one is questioning whether HG reside in LS or not. The fact is they are not native to the region. Ilaahay ha laga baqo. Sometimes i feel very ashamed of mudulood not protecting the cadcads, digil and biimaal during the civil war from the voltures.

Protect? you ?? Abgaal and Murursade were the most merciless and vicious killers during the Civil war, this is a well known fact by anyone that knew what happened, your too young to really know, there are Darood members like Tank whom will tell you the same and many more, no one saved more life's then HG contrary to this new age PR, Duduble saved thousands of Dhullo'z due to close relations, Qeybdiid let go 5000 in Kismaayo, even the SomaliTycoon user family member were saved by Sacad, look at the recent conflict in Gaalkacyo 15 POW's released, who did you exactly save sxb? give me one account, you just said your ashamed above!

Your onslaughts against civilians continued after the Civil war with Muusa Suudi Yalaxow, Mohamed Dheere and Qanyare being the most brutal warlords in Xamar all combined controlled 85% of the city, terrorizing, pillaging and raping whatever they saw until Dahir Aweys ICU (the guy that really ran the show) freed the city from these bandits including Qeybdiid whom only controlled 2 districts that were the most safest at that time, and you yourself are on record saying Sacad areas of Xamar are the safest today as well. Had it not been for HG those triple warlords would still be running the capital city

I also saw a post you made about your sacad mother or was it grand mother that was born in Xamar, that's 2 generations sxb, one of Sacad Siciid 2 great sons are buried in Benadir, (OLD benadir includes both shabelle), Hiraab according to mudulood elders is buried in Berbera roughly around 900 years ago, his son's travelled southwards towards gobalada dhexe others remained in Wooqoyi like fiqishini that are HG ceyr part of Somaliland now, the rest made there way South, some of the progeny remained along the route in gobalada dhexe but most settled around Benadir until we rose up and overthrew the Ajuuran kingdom a century later (Tutsi's from Rwanda) roughley 16th century, that DIR guy above you is claiming he had sultanate 18th century (which he provided no proof for) so if I take him for his word that's more then 200 years GAP from the time we ruled (facts), don't let your cuqdad get the best of you sxb

Smoothie if hawiye ancestors is buried in somaliland show some respect then to the mother land, and are you saying it was abgaal was who chopped up all the darood in xamar and hg didn't partake in it.

Smoothie if hawiye ancestors is buried in somaliland show some respect then to the mother land, and are you saying it was abgaal was who chopped up all the darood in xamar and hg didn't partake in it.

Guban, fiqishini HG Ceyr whom remained behind 800 or so years ago are part of the S/Land government they lead the army at one point if not still, my beef is not with S/Land but Dhiigshiil who is wrecking Havoc on our businesses for Ictiraaf and those whom defend it.

there is more merciful clan than hawiye,the fact that today 5,000,00 half million refugees from bay,bakool and jubba live and work in MOGADISHU alone shows the burden we have to endure to accomodate these welfare recipients,it is a drain on resources,no other region has accepted such huge population and that is causing some security concerns.my advice
-all reer waqooyi put them on suspicion list and give them ID Cards,if they dont have legit bussiness or family go back where you come from.
-same with the refugees from othe regions.
-hawala money money trasfer should be regulated and if an ounce of evidence is found ,confiscate them all and give the money to the families affected by their terrorism for treatment abroad,education.
this kind of dispossession allows the victims compensation for the crime committed against them.

Why is this trash not in the qabiil politics section?

there is more merciful clan than hawiye,the fact that today 5,000,00 half million refugees from bay,bakool and jubba live and work in MOGADISHU alone shows the burden we have to endure to accomodate these welfare recipients,.

True

There is no such thing as Hawiye tombs in SL. That's just yet another bogus from the mooryaan family who are well known for looting, lies, isbaaro, niiko and dragging the dead.

People who drag the dead are claiming to be merciful.



Hawiye is the most barbaric family. The minorities and fleeing Marehans all dug holes to hide their girls.

About 2,000 Rahaweyn were dying per day in the hands of Hawiye.

Hawadle alone drowned 5,000 Ogaden women and children in Shabelle river. This was after they ran out off ammunition because all day they were killing.

HG was dragging all kinds of dead bodies in central Somalia.

HG even dug out the Italian graves in Xamar in order to loot---Somalis own tomb raiders.

I would say Hawiye killed over a million Somalis over the past 25 years.

They invented the bogus story of Hawiye having tombs in SL because every Somali tribe tries very hard to tie itself to the north.

Everyone knows the north is the real Somali.

There are no Hawiye in SL and Fiqidhinis are no more than 600 families. They live under Dhulos not even with Isaac. 95% of Isaac never heard of Fiqidhinis. The few thst do discovered them on sites like Somalinet forum.

So they could be Khaatumo for all we know.

Peace.

To be fair HG did not kill civilians in 91

Smooth, don't get mad at me for Telling the truth. I don't have cuqdad no reason to have that my reer abti are sacad. Fact is HG has fought Every single clan in the south. Y'all did so many focked up things. What your clan have Done in LS and baay is pretty evident. Sumcadeena idinka ku ciyaaray. Waa hadii run laysu sheegaya. Mudulood never went past their deegaans.

Lol@ we saved ppl.. Abti HG is one of the most hated clans for à reason. Next you will probably say caydiid was a saint.

Fact is HG waa kooyto ee umadda cafis weydiista especially the poor ppl in LS.

Btw i said the abgaal and sacad districts are the safest in xamar because they are the most anti Al shabaab..

You must be the dumbest propagandist on Somalinet. Tahe same books written by Western scholars that you quote refute your assertions that the Biimal are recent migrants. It is an established fact that they arrived in 18th century and established a Sultanate tht spanned the coast from Marka to Jammaame.

Now that you have admitted you arrived at the 18th century, my quote are from the 16/17 Century still way before you and that's taking you at your words since you provided no quotes, if you factor in Idris quotes for which the fast majority of scholars have the same interpretation, it's even FAR further back 800 years ago, your the only people that have no deegans in the whole of Somalia, if we moved to district based, your the biggest losers.

Your the Dir up north allied with Puntland, what do you know about L shabelle? you can try to kiss up as much as you like to mudulood, but you can't ran away from facts, you don't live with them but HG does, from Hobyo, Gaalkacyo all the way to L Shabelle I live with you guys, I know you better then anyone else, leaving aside the DIR around Hobyo that are Pro Galmudug, you along with the biyomaals are the the biggest criminals, crooks and al-shabab sympathizers in L shabelle along with D&M, your areas are the dirtiest, most under developed and the most trash, no wonder why most of you love to blame others for your problems, al-shabab virtually controls all D&M deegans, the proof is in the pudding

You are one intellectually bankrupt Mooryan.

I referenced Mudulood to highlight how they and the Murursade are native in LS. After Jazeera, the Abgaal link with Biimal whilst the Wacdan Cismaan are found in Laafole and border the Afgooye Geledi. The Murursade are scattered till Buulo Mareer. Now tell me what deegan do you have in LS and stop claiming the glory of others?

As for the Bimal, a simple google book search illustrates their glorious history. I do not even need to embed texts from academic sources. Moreover, I was being conservative when I said 18th century as that was when their Sultanate took off. They left Waqooyi after the Futhul Habash wars and by the end of the 17th century, they were partaking in the wars against the Ajuuran in South Somalia.

Stop getting emotional and argue like a man. Present facts as to where your HG deegans are in LS and your illustrious history in LS.

Smooth, don't get mad at me for Telling the truth. I don't have cuqdad no reason to have that my reer abti are sacad. Fact is HG has fought Every single clan in the south. Y'all did so many focked up things. What your clan have Done in LS and baay is pretty evident. Sumcadeena idinka ku ciyaaray. Waa hadii run laysu sheegaya. Mudulood never went past their deegaans.

Sxb history badhan ba ka maqan what your spouting is dhabacyo propaganda, I only blame HG for the inter Hiraab war that's it, every other one they were forced to fight and had no choice, totally unprovoked, wa hadaad runta rabtid, it was fight or watch 1000's get killed

murursade: they were caught trying to get the inter hiraab war going by firing missiles to both neighbourhoods after ceasefire, hence the karbaash, the missiles they fired into our neighbourhoods killed several dozen as opposed to the ones that fell on empty lands up north

Xawaadle: biggest killers of HG, literally put up a isbaaro in hiiraan for no reasons after minour disputes, several 100's innocent HG were being murdered every month very brutally with convoys being looted until there was no choice and Caato was forced to go up there and punish them, before that, people couldn't travel from Galgaluud to Benadir for monthss

D&M: set up road blocks in the same way, massacred 100's HG coming from Jubaland, when karbaashed as pay back later used Ethiopian's against Ceydiid, they later massacred several HG families that lived in Bakool wiping them out looting their businesses, totally unprovoked just like the Xawaadle, hence the over the top pay back for that treachery.

Majerteen: killed 300 innocent herders after Afweyne armed them in the 80's, Ceydiid had previously refused the same offer, they then tried the same and Nus qiyaamo followed, recently tried setting up a isbaaro checkpoint forcefully under the guise of building a road into our on territory, we know what happened afterwards

In all of these battle's there was absolutely no choice, it was either watch 100's being killed every month or intervene, as for L shabelle biyomaal savagely murdered dozen farmers one of them an uncle of mine that's 90 years old, that inherited the farm from his father like 1900'ish whom bought it, they murdered over 50 innocent unarmed man and hence the karbaash they received, this is why these people never win any battles, they kill children, the elderly and women bila naxariis particularly majerteen, D&M and Biyomaal

The reality is Xagdaro NEVER WINS battles, all of them were fought in their own territories against great odds, especially in Gaalkacyo you had HG against the whole of Darood with vicious Marexaan south in Galgaluud and the whole of Harti in Mudug, you DONT win all these battles if you are in the wrong my friend.

I do not even need to embed texts from academic sources. Moreover, I was being conservative when I said 18th century as that was when their Sultanate took off

Take the L, you dug your own hole with that, you had the chance to formulate response to the academic quotes I brought 16/17 century and even one far before that, your response? we had a sultanate in the 18th century you come out with like an idiot, you just humiliated yourself infront of everyone that's going to be reading this.

As for your deegan comments who is the person crying about HG day and night? your crying in Towfiq up in Mudug and your also crying south in Lower Shabelle, you were crying in these forums when your mooriyaan dominated clan killed one of our businessman like the coward envious guys that you are, the same you have been doing to those poor farmers in L shabelle

When half the SNA HG troops left, after disputes with Biyomaal and D&M troops, even amisom got scared and left too, your al-shabab dominated friends mostly biyomaal and D&M came to cut the hands of your own criminals and you ran like cowards, you can't even defend the place even if your life depended on it, all you know is how to murder defenceless farmers and businessman, even with the whole of Puntland backing you, you were still crying on these forums, don't let me post it on here again!

Are you going to answer the questions I asked of you or not? You either have the evidence or you do not. No amount of diversionary tactics will spare you from the hypocrisy that defines your Snet persona.

You are such a fool, the Bimaal are recorded as having fought the Ajuuran as part of a confederation of clans at the start of the 17th century. Read page 12 of the 1999 Newsletter of the Inter-Riverine Studies Association Journal, Volumes 3-5.

Forget academia, even the Encyclopaedia Britannica states the Bimal had settled Merka in the 17th century. This illustrates how it is common knowledge that they have been in the South more than 300 years.

Marca, also spelled Marka, Merca, or Merka, port city, southern Somalia, on the Indian Ocean, about 45 miles (70 km) southwest of Mogadishu, the national capital and main port. The town, which was founded by Arab or Persian traders, was in existence by the 10th century. The first Somalis to settle near there arrived in the 13th century, and in the 17th century the town, its hinterland, and caravan routes from the interior were controlled by the Bimal, a subgroup of one of the four major Somali clans, who traded extensively in ivory, slaves, cattle, and hides. Offshore coral reefs make it necessary to carry goods by lighters between the port and oceangoing vessels, and they limit expansion of the port. The principal export is bananas. Pop. (1990 est.) 62,000

http://www.britannica.com/place/Marca#ref902249

Smooth, I do not even post regularly anymore but someone had to put you in your place in regard to the Bimaal. Kulaha they came 40 years ago in this thread whilst in another you said they never fought the Italians but came once the battle had been won by your HG folk, Acudhubillahi. Even Saayidka wrote a letter to them in his Bimaal Rislalat encouraging them to keep up the fight against the Italians.

Illahi ka baaqo, beenta jooji. You cannot make Xalal what is Xaram, be content with Galmudug and stop being a locust.

As for Towfiq, did I start that thread? If I wanted to continue that topic, I would have commented on how your clan took revenge by killing a young man who had nothing to do with the old man's murder. Furthermore, I have only started one thread on Lower Shabelle and that was to share info from the UN Monitoring Report. I am a reactive poster that does not tolerate bullshit, not a propagandist. As for you, the evidence speaks for itself.

Zumaale

No need to regurgitate that part again that debate was settled with reference and source I posted were it was Hawiye capital for 800 or so years, the "Hadiye" countless scholars like Guillain, Schleicher and Cerulli among them confirmed it was an error on his part were he got a single letter wrong "Hadiye" "hawiye", there is no history of any Hadiye existence in the Somali Peninsula don't be grasping as straws sxb, the book below is enough, take the L

Author(s): Herbert S. Lewis
Source: The Journal of African History, Vol. 7, No. 1 (1966), pp. 27-46
http://www.jstor.org/stable/179457

Biyomaal is a very small clan, how can a clan even smaller then sub-sub-sub-clan of HG fight Italians? even from a logical point of view it makes no sense, even more ridiculous is you postulating they took on Ajuuraan walahi wa yaab, contrary to all the evidences that I have posted, xataa maba xishoodasiid, by all unanimous records Hiraab took down the Ajuuraan, if you were so powerful or so numerous and not a langaab tell me what territories have they ever conquered? I have good love for the Biyomaal unlike you pathetic DIR up north sweeping the floors for Mohamoud Saleeban, you can't even fill a football stadium and your talking about owning million square mile lands

Somali pastorialist travel a lot back and forth it's in there nature, I can bring you endless quotes and oral traditions to attest to all this and even until this day I have relatives in Bay, Juba, L Shabelle, Klika5 and Hiiraan, there are DIR in Hobyo that fought alongside us against the Italian's, there are even Habar Yoonis families still living there that I had the pleasure to speak to as well, some of them also came to fight the Italian's but history doesn't record them but our rich oral traditions which the Westerns use in their books does, my argument isn't that they didn't fight, but it's seriously overestimated, you don't have anywhere near the numbers to wage a fight for longer then a week.

I have no issue with you claiming to be natives to Hobyo, L shabelle and other lands that your pastoralist few in number goat herders entered long after us, but it's you guys blatant lies and propaganda I am attacking, pretending you were there before others, your so few in number, that in the past 30 years I only ever met 1 Biyomaal guy, yet your claiming vast territories in which you can barely fill a stadium, isku xishood sxb, people only ever hear of Biyomaal in these forums

there are DIR in Hobyo that fought alongside us against the Italian's, there are even Habar Yoonis families still living there that I had the pleasure to speak to as well, some of them also came to fight the Italian's but history doesn't record them but our rich oral traditions which the Westerns use in their books does, my argument isn't that they didn't fight, but it's seriously overestimated, you don't have anywhere near the numbers to wage a fight for longer then a week.

HY are recent immigrants to that area.The kacaan govt(Siad Barre) moved them south because of drought.Why you lying for and making history up?