Farmaajo My 2 Cents

[Murax]

I must admit like many I'm kind of shocked He won a election of hundreds of Xildhibaans who are cash obsessed and foreign actors who despise Him.

Concerns? We saw a wave of optimism with Sh Shariif back in 2009 although not quite like this. In any event he turned out to be a disappointment. Farmaajo made promises and will have to deliver. To do that he needs help. Bottom line is the Somali people need results and a Government that could at least provide safety and a basic level of human services. The Government officials who are obsessed with eating thr aid money of poor masaakiin idps need to realize that haram money has zero blessing and Your life, family etc will be failures.


Causes for optimism? I have seen a sharp rise in national pride, hatred of forigners and their role in Somalia (Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM etc) I hope the Prime Minister whoever it happens to be is the people's choice also and not some representative of a foreign Gov.

All We could do is hope for better days ahead.

[FarhanYare]

Well said! I hope farmaajo stays clear of the temptations of aid money corruption and full fills danta dalka as his complain slogan says

[Murax]

Farhan Yare indeed. That would be a disaster

[Lamagoodle]

I must admit like many I'm kind of shocked He won a election of hundreds of Xildhibaans who are cash obsessed and foreign actors who despise Him.

Concerns? We saw a wave of optimism with Sh Shariif back in 2009 although not quite like this. In any event he turned out to be a disappointment. Farmaajo made promises and will have to deliver. To do that he needs help. Bottom line is the Somali people need results and a Government that could at least provide safety and a basic level of human services. The Government officials who are obsessed with eating thr aid money of poor masaakiin idps need to realize that haram money has zero blessing and Your life, family etc will be failures.


Causes for optimism? I have seen a sharp rise in national pride, hatred of forigners and their role in Somalia (Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM etc) I hope the Prime Minister whoever it happens to be is the people's choice also and not some representative of a foreign Gov.

All We could do is hope for better days ahead.

This is exactly my sentiment too. (see the thread in the general section),

In order to succeed he'd need to carry out the following reforms (not easy to implement but try). HSM has tried ):

1, Kenya and Ethiopia to leave Somalia. Their presence is giving al-sheeytaan fuel.
2. Amison should pack and go. But that will need a trained somali army to take over. As it is now, there is no organised somali army. There are tribal militias
3. The budget (from the international community) should go to the new somali army.

MORE IMPORTANTLY
- the somali people demands heads rolling; death penalties for thugs. Zero tolerance to fight corruption.

[Murax]

Lamagoodle,

Agree 100%. Sadly I feel Farmaajo may very well fail in this. Tbh, Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM are literally there by force at this point. They get paid, and they are not going to lose a revenue stream so easily. On top of that they have the ears of a West that is becoming increasingly ultra right wing and probably doesn't have a problem with neighboring countries doing what they want in Somalia. Like You said at a BARE MINIMUM Somalia will have to have a strong police, army to even begin trying to make the case.


Pessimism aside though if Somalida chose to walaalow, forgive each other and work together they are capable of great things.

[Lamagoodle]

Lamagoodle,

Agree 100%. Sadly I feel Farmaajo may very well fail in this. Tbh, Ethiopia, Kenya, AMISOM are literally there by force at this point. They get paid, and they are not going to lose a revenue stream so easily. On top of that they have the ears of a West that is becoming increasingly ultra right wing and probably doesn't have a problem with neighboring countries doing what they want in Somalia. Like You said at a BARE MINIMUM Somalia will have to have a strong police, army to even begin trying to make the case.


Pessimism aside though if Somalida chose to walaalow, forgive each other and work together they are capable of great things.

The somali people want to see actions. They would easily condemn you. That is what happened to HSM. He was hailed as a saviour Although doing alot (including making peace a priority) he was soon called every word in the dictionary.
SO in that sense this risks being a repeat of that.

If I were Farmaajo, I would do the following immediately;
- Throw away the tie, suit and the nacnac about Madaxweyne
- Put forward a plan for creating a strong Somali army (the embryo is there with the formation of the Danab and other units- HSM has already partially succeeded in that)
- Make a list of those who looted the coffers
- Create a court system that has the goal of trying corrupted leaders
- Ask the international community to fund a somali army. The international community (Europe and the US) are for this actually. But are disappointed that the funds have gone missing.
- Tell Kenya and Ethiopia to pack their bags (this is the silent reason why Somalis love him); from a somali perspective if he says this and attempts to do it, he will be supported.
- Start negotiations with the moderate Al-sheydhaans because if Amison leaves these sick heads will fill the gap
- Dismantle the lalands

A long list it is but it is doable.
If he does not fight corruption he will fail. It is the worst cancer. It is underpinned by the sick 4,5 and the creation of lalanads.

The question is will he brave enough to do that? I don't think so because he himself came to power due to the existence of these institutions. These same institutions will slow his leverage.


For 20+ years no one has been tried for corruption. Impunity should be fought.

P.s. the international community is tired of Somalia. Despite pouring in millions, we are back to sq one.

[guhad122]

One good thing Farmaajo has brought so far is reviving Beesha Ilka-yar Somalinet members who have been in hibernation for a while. Unfortunately, we have seen Farmaajo before and all this ballyhoo and commotion will end in complete failure. Here are my reasons:
1. Ethiopia and Kenya will not leave Somalia anytime soon. Over 80% of Somali territories not in Alshabab hands are controlled by Kenya and Ethiopia. The entire Gedo, parts oF j/Hoose, Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, and all the way to Galguuduud are manned by mainly Ethiopia and Kenya. Telling them to leave is not going to cut it.
2. Farmaajo lacks political skills and has shown no political strength in the short time he was the prime minster. He is not cut for the mean East African politics of dog eats dog. Here he is meeting with the late Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles and he just looks like a little girl who has been told to "Dhiidhiibso".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdEtEijyxM
3. He has stolen millions of dollars from the poor suffering Somalis during one of the most difficult times. Even his own appointed finance minister testified the loot. It is well-known fact that Farmaajo administration was one of the most corrupt admin Somalia has ever seen.
http://www.hiiraan.com/comments2-news-2 ... _cash.aspx

As for him winning, Culusow didn't play his game right. He beat Farmaajo in the first soundly but he didn't have any alliance after that. There was no plan B for him. While I pray that he succeeds, we have already seen Farmaajo's leadership and it ammounted to nothing.

[original dervish]

I was under the impression Farmaajo's hands were clean.

[Lamagoodle]

One good thing Farmaajo has brought so far is reviving Beesha Ilka-yar Somalinet members who have been in hibernation for a while. Unfortunately, we have seen Farmaajo before and all this ballyhoo and commotion will end in complete failure. Here are my reasons:
1. Ethiopia and Kenya will not leave Somalia anytime soon. Over 80% of Somali territories not in Alshabab hands are controlled by Kenya and Ethiopia. The entire Gedo, parts oF j/Hoose, Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, and all the way to Galguuduud are manned by mainly Ethiopia and Kenya. Telling them to leave is not going to cut it.
2. Farmaajo lacks political skills and has shown no political strength in the short time he was the prime minster. He is not cut for the mean East African politics of dog eats dog. Here he is meeting with the late Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles and he just looks like a little girl who has been told to "Dhiidhiibso".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjdEtEijyxM
3. He has stolen millions of dollars from the poor suffering Somalis during one of the most difficult times. Even his own appointed finance minister testified the loot. It is well-known fact that Farmaajo administration was one of the most corrupt admin Somalia has ever seen.
http://www.hiiraan.com/comments2-news-2 ... _cash.aspx

As for him winning, Culusow didn't play his game right. He beat Farmaajo in the first soundly but he didn't have any alliance after that. There was no plan B for him. While I pray that he succeeds, we have already seen Farmaajo's leadership and it ammounted to nothing.

Guhaad, my litmus tests are ;
- Kenya and Ethiopia out. Their presence is fueling insurgency not only in Somalia but in the NFD and Western Somalia. We have curfew, human rights abuses and occupations there. In Somalia, people place high hopes on him to say arrivaderci to them.
- Fighting corruption; Somalis want to see action ; court procedures and death sentences for corruption. If his regime does not start with this, it would not survive a year.

On corruption; how much is perceived and how much can be proven? HSM was claimed to be corrupt but there are few with evidences that he benefited from that; Yes, his regime was corrupted but did HSM personally benefit (maybe through proxy).

So before anything else, corruption should be fought- and if Farmaajo wants to do something about it, he should be transparent ..

[guhad122]

I was under the impression Farmaajo's hands were clean.

Walaahey Somali people are so honest and are yearning for a true leader. Farmaajo, of all the prime ministers, stole the most money and that is what has enabled him to campaign for almost 5 years. He has been to every corner in the world where Somalis are found.

[original dervish]

I will be watching him very closely.......his honeymoon will be brief.
We want to see immediate progress and results.

[Lamagoodle]

3. He has stolen millions of dollars from the poor suffering Somalis during one of the most difficult times. Even his own appointed finance minister testified the loot. It is well-known fact that Farmaajo administration was one of the most corrupt admin Somalia has ever seen.
http://www.hiiraan.com/comments2-news-2 ... _cash.aspx

If that is true, then we are witnessing the emergence of a wolf in a sheep's clothing

Farmaajo should allow for an investigation into this to clear his name. I am sure it will only take months before people start singing this to call for his head

[26June1960]

I was under the impression Farmaajo's hands were clean.

Walaahey Somali people are so honest and are yearning for a true leader. Farmaajo, of all the prime ministers, stole the most money and that is what has enabled him to campaign for almost 5 years. He has been to every corner in the world where Somalis are found.

Provide us with evidence or shut the fuck up.

[Xamud.]

Walaahey Somali people are so honest and are yearning for a true leader. Farmaajo, of all the prime ministers, stole the most money and that is what has enabled him to campaign for almost 5 years. He has been to every corner in the world where Somalis are found.

Prove it or shut up. Somalida waxay yaqaanin in ay war aan sal iyo bar lahayn iska faafiyan, afkaga qoyan ha u hadlin saxiib ee cadeymo keen. If anything, he was probably the least corrupt PM Somalia has ever seen.


As far as I'm concerned, sheekadu waa " you are either with us or against us", as of right now Farmaajo has the support of the majority of the Somali people.

[Raidboss]

These accusations are baseless and meant to discredit Farmaajo. Only in Somalia you will see people hail HSM and accuse Farmaajo of corruption with a straight face. While its proven without doubt the corruption of Hassan sheikh Mahmoud, even though certain individuals in this thread are trying minimize the corruption of HSM and his goverment.

http://africanarguments.org/2014/09/22/ ... y-bahadur/