Sudan on alert over Egypt's military strike on Ethiopia

[Lion104]

the amhara themselves are oppressed, today, so do not include them. secondly, the past is the past, leave it there; discuss today.
third, the amhara will never rule oromia again, but they can rule their own state, under federalism.
fourth, there are plenty of somali refugees world-wide, dadab in kenya was/is the biggest refugee camp in the world, so your people aren't in a better/or enviable situation, sorry.

If you want to learn amharic no problem, but just know that we somalis will support the tplf before letting that happen. Because when the amhara are in power, then its over because they will have the support of 85 % of ethiopia and won't EVER be removed. At least with TPLF they are vulnerable, a minority, and hated by all.

A lot of my family/a lot of oromos already speak Amharic. you obviously know nothing about oromos yet comment on them as if you do. interesting indeed.
the somali can support tplf, that's fine dude, but it won't keep them in power forever. tplf will collapse eventually.
as far as the amhara, if you think they will rule as they used to, you're on crack and meth together with pcp.
it's not logical or probable. but they can free their state and form alliances if it's based on mutual benefits/keeping the federalism.
most would not support a resurgence of amhara rule, because most in the past suffered under it, it would be like saying the afar oromo and sidama and others would like to go back to 1956---it makes NO SENSE.

try again bro.

The people who conquered modern day Ethiopia relegated into federal state of Amhara

Just typing that made me laugh

To them, that's equivalent to the balkanization of Ethiopia

Afar have a good relationship with Amhara, West-Central Oromos have good relationship with Amharas, most of Southern nations. It is only Somalis and Eastern/Central Oromos who hate Amhara.

As i've said, i do not support the oppression of innocent people even if they are my enemy let alone oppressed groups like oromo who've not done much wrong to me, but we cannot support you in your reckless ideas with no vision. We will rebuild the Somali state, and when the time is right and when we are strong, then we will fund and train rebel groups and a united Somali group which will eventually get independence. Our plan is not for TPLF to rule us forever, our plan is the for Somali Galbeed to become an independent nation, water agreement with Ethiopia and a nationalist Amhara government will be the biggest obstacle to that.

[Strategic]

I can discuss what everi want bro.

[Lion104]

ONLF did no damage bro. The potential was there, for them to be strong, but then clan-divisions reared its ugly head and weakened the Somali struggle. The TPLF just found a willing puppet named abdi iley and made the liyyu and boom...now they can spread their soldiers to other regions and let somalis kill somalis....
the government, during the protests, were actually pushed out of a lot of oromia. you should study this more before discussing it, no offense bro. but many govt structures were destroyed and the local tplf cadres were chased out. this is why the declared the emergency, it was literally the biggest challenge to their power.
and our goal is almost done. as we speak, the gold and mineral resources are in oromo hands. the opdo is standing up to tplf, goal #2. slowly but surely, you'll see more and more of this.

The Ogaden region has had several presidents, why haven't they fought against the ONLF like Abdi Iley did? surely they had the governments backing and ofcourse police or army force to fight against them.
I guess you have no idea on what and how the Ogaden region was before Abdi Iley, do a little research then come back and give your opinions regarding my region.

ONLF did more damage to the Ethiopian regime than OLF, and it still effects them today as we speak, unlike your regions my lands are not given away for free to chinese and indians, They and the government of ethiopia are too scared to come further down than jigjiga.

Your goal is not done until TPLF is toppled out of the seat.
The state is in emergency meaning the government can do whatever they want across the country, They are killing amhara and oromo who made the unrest during the demonstrations.

Again, your 50 million of the ethiopian population and still haven't received your goal, Eritrea managed to get their independence with only 4-5 million in population, how come you haven't received yours?

You're people are divided through politics, ideology and religion... that's the oromos to blame for.

They had several presidents, yes, because they tried to PUSH FOR SECESSION AROUND 1994 WHEN ONLF won elections there, so EPRDF came and SAID NOPE, and sent the federal army in.
the ESDP was created by NON OGADEN SOMALI CLANS who REFUSED to be in a group NAMED and BASED around ONE clan, when there's OVER 12 SOMALI CLANS/GROUPS IN ETHIOPIA.
ONLF had the potential to do damage, but never did, and today, it's dead. non-existent. tell me what recent attacks they have done, what land they hold, with proof, and how many soldiers they killed?
your land couldn't even be given away to chinese and indians, there's little to nothing there, but livestock and a little water.
who wouldn't want green and rich and water-ful oromia? it's like asking: do you want a steak for dinner or ramen noodles?

they are killing, they have always been killing, so it's not new, but this time, they lost billions in funds, and were severely weakened.
to this day, they are only present in urban areas, the rural areas of oromia and amhara are not in TPLF control. literally.

eritrea had millions in support from iraq, saudi, egypt and syria AND they have the historical references to prove they were once not part of ethiopia AND well-defined/established BORDERS...the oromos and even the somalis of ethiopia don't have any of these to support them...

your people are worse. one religion, one language, and still your worst enemy.

our diversity can weaken us, obviously, but what's your excuse?

You praise your land too much. Yes its fertile and receives much rain, but it's degraded land due to centuries of bad farming practices, it's also mountainous highland meaning you cannot mechanize agriculture, also you will always be capital poor because building a 1km road in oromia will cost $500,000 but $70,000 in somalia/ogaden. Maybe a long time ago your land was much more productive for empires in the past but today our low lands is much better for a modern industrialized state. Your land has too many people in it as well, it's over populated. . In the UK, only 1 % of the people are farmers, but they are self sufficient(produce 60-70 % of their food). But you have 50 million farmers.

1. our land is virgin, meaning it hasn't been farmed before.
2. our soil is better
3. it's flat land meaning you can mechanize agriculture.
4. it may be dry, but with the advancement in new farming techniques, it doesn't matter. Irrigated farming is the way forward now. Just Southern Somalia alone can feed 80 million people and export more, let alone the entire ogaden region which the mighty shabelle river goes through.

[Waachis]

If you want to learn amharic no problem, but just know that we somalis will support the tplf before letting that happen. Because when the amhara are in power, then its over because they will have the support of 85 % of ethiopia and won't EVER be removed. At least with TPLF they are vulnerable, a minority, and hated by all.

A lot of my family/a lot of oromos already speak Amharic. you obviously know nothing about oromos yet comment on them as if you do. interesting indeed.
the somali can support tplf, that's fine dude, but it won't keep them in power forever. tplf will collapse eventually.
as far as the amhara, if you think they will rule as they used to, you're on crack and meth together with pcp.
it's not logical or probable. but they can free their state and form alliances if it's based on mutual benefits/keeping the federalism.
most would not support a resurgence of amhara rule, because most in the past suffered under it, it would be like saying the afar oromo and sidama and others would like to go back to 1956---it makes NO SENSE.

try again bro.

The people who conquered modern day Ethiopia relegated into federal state of Amhara

Just typing that made me laugh

To them, that's equivalent to the balkanization of Ethiopia

Afar have a good relationship with Amhara, West-Central Oromos have good relationship with Amharas, most of Southern nations. It is only Somalis and Eastern/Central Oromos who hate Amhara.

As i've said, i do not support the oppression of innocent people even if they are my enemy let alone oppressed groups like oromo who've not done much wrong to me, but we cannot support you in your reckless ideas with no vision. We will rebuild the Somali state, and when the time is right and when we are strong, then we will fund and train rebel groups and a united Somali group which will eventually get independence. Our plan is not for TPLF to rule us forever, our plan is the for Somali Galbeed to become an independent nation, water agreement with Ethiopia and a nationalist Amhara government will be the biggest obstacle to that.

Once again, you show your ignorance. The armies of Menelik were led by, and most of its soldiers were, OROMO AND OROMO from Shoa mostly/with some being from Wollo-Wallaga-and so on.

The Amhara of today are mostly youth who know NOTHING BUT FEDERALISM, the ones who have issues with it are the old Derg or Emperor's remants who have no power or say. I know a lot of amharas, in their 20s, who have no issue with it. they were the ones in gondar protesting saying ''the oromo blood is our blood.'' but i NEVER HEARD somalis saying that to OROMOS.

no no and no. it doesn't matter if we get along with amhara, it doesn't mean we will blindly follow them/or always agree with their beliefs politically...
look at 2005 when the amhara unionist party KIINJIT/CUD won the elections in Addis, nobody stood with them. the afar, the oromo, even somali, harari, sidama, all supported federalism, so the tplf was able to crush the CUD, because once again, they were isolated and had no support base outside of some amhara/and addis.

[Waachis]

The Ogaden region has had several presidents, why haven't they fought against the ONLF like Abdi Iley did? surely they had the governments backing and ofcourse police or army force to fight against them.
I guess you have no idea on what and how the Ogaden region was before Abdi Iley, do a little research then come back and give your opinions regarding my region.

ONLF did more damage to the Ethiopian regime than OLF, and it still effects them today as we speak, unlike your regions my lands are not given away for free to chinese and indians, They and the government of ethiopia are too scared to come further down than jigjiga.

Your goal is not done until TPLF is toppled out of the seat.
The state is in emergency meaning the government can do whatever they want across the country, They are killing amhara and oromo who made the unrest during the demonstrations.

Again, your 50 million of the ethiopian population and still haven't received your goal, Eritrea managed to get their independence with only 4-5 million in population, how come you haven't received yours?

You're people are divided through politics, ideology and religion... that's the oromos to blame for.

They had several presidents, yes, because they tried to PUSH FOR SECESSION AROUND 1994 WHEN ONLF won elections there, so EPRDF came and SAID NOPE, and sent the federal army in.
the ESDP was created by NON OGADEN SOMALI CLANS who REFUSED to be in a group NAMED and BASED around ONE clan, when there's OVER 12 SOMALI CLANS/GROUPS IN ETHIOPIA.
ONLF had the potential to do damage, but never did, and today, it's dead. non-existent. tell me what recent attacks they have done, what land they hold, with proof, and how many soldiers they killed?
your land couldn't even be given away to chinese and indians, there's little to nothing there, but livestock and a little water.
who wouldn't want green and rich and water-ful oromia? it's like asking: do you want a steak for dinner or ramen noodles?

they are killing, they have always been killing, so it's not new, but this time, they lost billions in funds, and were severely weakened.
to this day, they are only present in urban areas, the rural areas of oromia and amhara are not in TPLF control. literally.

eritrea had millions in support from iraq, saudi, egypt and syria AND they have the historical references to prove they were once not part of ethiopia AND well-defined/established BORDERS...the oromos and even the somalis of ethiopia don't have any of these to support them...

your people are worse. one religion, one language, and still your worst enemy.

our diversity can weaken us, obviously, but what's your excuse?

You praise your land too much. Yes its fertile and receives much rain, but it's degraded land due to centuries of bad farming practices, it's also mountainous highland meaning you cannot mechanize agriculture, also you will always be capital poor because building a 1km road in oromia will cost $500,000 but $70,000 in somalia/ogaden. Maybe a long time ago your land was much more productive for empires in the past but today our low lands is much better for a modern industrialized state. Your land has too many people in it as well, it's over populated. Whatever good your land is, its not worth 50 million people and all that bad it brings.

1. our land is virgin, meaning it hasn't been farmed before.
2. our soil is better
3. it's flat land meaning you can mechanize agriculture.
4. it may be dry, but with the advancement in new farming techniques, it doesn't matter. Irrigated farming is the way forward now. Just Southern Somalia alone can feed 80 million people and export more, let alone the entire ogaden region which the mighty shabelle river goes through.

You're describing the highlands of the north, not Oromia, the bread-basket and heart of Ethiopia. Much of Oromia is still not even farmed bro. Same for our fish, which our lakes have tonnes of, we haven't even touched it yet. 60% of Oromia is arable land, but less than 20% is being used, you do the math bro. This is why we have hunger, the land isn't being used to its fullest potential.
the ogaden is only used because 1. it's livestock and 2. the strategic area it occupies. otherwise, ethiopia gets little from it. meanwhile, ethiopia cannot survive for one second without oromia: see the difference?
and there's not 50 million people in oromia, stop lying, it's 40 million. 10 million extra humans is a lot to lie about.

southern somalia is rich in land, yes, but not the ogaden. don't switch subjects, stick to the topic, the ogaden.

[Lion104]

They had several presidents, yes, because they tried to PUSH FOR SECESSION AROUND 1994 WHEN ONLF won elections there, so EPRDF came and SAID NOPE, and sent the federal army in.
the ESDP was created by NON OGADEN SOMALI CLANS who REFUSED to be in a group NAMED and BASED around ONE clan, when there's OVER 12 SOMALI CLANS/GROUPS IN ETHIOPIA.
ONLF had the potential to do damage, but never did, and today, it's dead. non-existent. tell me what recent attacks they have done, what land they hold, with proof, and how many soldiers they killed?
your land couldn't even be given away to chinese and indians, there's little to nothing there, but livestock and a little water.
who wouldn't want green and rich and water-ful oromia? it's like asking: do you want a steak for dinner or ramen noodles?

they are killing, they have always been killing, so it's not new, but this time, they lost billions in funds, and were severely weakened.
to this day, they are only present in urban areas, the rural areas of oromia and amhara are not in TPLF control. literally.

eritrea had millions in support from iraq, saudi, egypt and syria AND they have the historical references to prove they were once not part of ethiopia AND well-defined/established BORDERS...the oromos and even the somalis of ethiopia don't have any of these to support them...

your people are worse. one religion, one language, and still your worst enemy.

our diversity can weaken us, obviously, but what's your excuse?

You praise your land too much. Yes its fertile and receives much rain, but it's degraded land due to centuries of bad farming practices, it's also mountainous highland meaning you cannot mechanize agriculture, also you will always be capital poor because building a 1km road in oromia will cost $500,000 but $70,000 in somalia/ogaden. Maybe a long time ago your land was much more productive for empires in the past but today our low lands is much better for a modern industrialized state. Your land has too many people in it as well, it's over populated. Whatever good your land is, its not worth 50 million people and all that bad it brings.

1. our land is virgin, meaning it hasn't been farmed before.
2. our soil is better
3. it's flat land meaning you can mechanize agriculture.
4. it may be dry, but with the advancement in new farming techniques, it doesn't matter. Irrigated farming is the way forward now. Just Southern Somalia alone can feed 80 million people and export more, let alone the entire ogaden region which the mighty shabelle river goes through.

You're describing the highlands of the north, not Oromia, the bread-basket and heart of Ethiopia. Much of Oromia is still not even farmed bro. Same for our fish, which our lakes have tonnes of, we haven't even touched it yet. 60% of Oromia is arable land, but less than 20% is being used, you do the math bro. This is why we have hunger, the land isn't being used to its fullest potential.
the ogaden is only used because 1. it's livestock and 2. the strategic area it occupies. otherwise, ethiopia gets little from it. meanwhile, ethiopia cannot survive for one second without oromia: see the difference?
and there's not 50 million people in oromia, stop lying, it's 40 million. 10 million extra humans is a lot to lie about.

southern somalia is rich in land, yes, but not the ogaden. don't switch subjects, stick to the topic, the ogaden.

So this land is not rich?

It's true that most of Ethiopia's hard currency comes from Sidamo/your regions, but i am talking about the potential about of ethiopia as industralized country. In the UK only 1 % of people are employed in farming, but they produce 60-70 % of the food. The reason why is because of mechanized agriculture. So whilst your region may be arable, it's still highland. That means tractors cannot plow the steep slopes of your land. Meaning, 95 % of your people have to be farmers or else your land is useless. Your agricultural techniques are laborious and backward because you have no choice.

Alhamdulilah, Somali regions are lowland and flat. Only 1 % of our people need to be farmers for food self sufficiency whilst the rest of us can be working in factories, being doctors, dentists, engineers, etc. I am happy that your people rejected to be part of Somalia, you don't bring us any benefit. We have the longest coast line in all of Africa and the middle east, enough arable land for 80 million +, gas, oil, greatest renewable energy potential in east africa, the list is endless. And all you bring is mountains and 50 million ppl. We will become a middle income country, the greatest country in east africa inshallah with international ports whilst you still cry about amhara.

The real potential of Ethiopia is in the Omo, Awash and Gambella zones.

[MarsinQorahay]

Waachis, your writing out of paranoia... just a simple little research on google can help out your situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_Na ... tion_Front

In Ogaden region you can find desert and feritale land where the shabelle river flows, alot of development on the river has been made.
Ogaden has also gas and oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_Basin
The raid in Abole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abole_raid

Insurgency in Ogaden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Ogaden
The insurgency is an still going conflict which tells that ONLF are still active.

On 11 January 2011, Ethiopian authorities freed 402 previously imprisoned ONLF members as part of a peace deal, previously signed with one of ONLF's factions.[16]

On 4 July 2011, government troops killed 15 and detained 6 rebels, 2 Swedish journalists accompanying the militants were also wounded during the engagement.[17]

On 2 September 2011, a band of ONLF rebels attacked a military convoy escorting Chinese oil workers, outside the city of Jijiga. The insurgents claimed to have killed 25 soldiers while suffering several casualties, a government spokesman denied the ambush took place.[18]

Between 16–17 March 2012, according to a Human Rights Watch report, Ethiopian special police forces executed 10 civilians and looted dozens of shops in the village of Raqda, the attack came as a retaliation for the recent death of several policemen.[19]

Between 10 – 24 October 2013, ONLF carried out attacks on 13 military outposts in the Korehey and Nogob zones, the faction claimed to have killed 24 soldiers during the operation.[20]

On 6 December 2013, government troops engaged insurgents in the Banbaas, Qolaji and Hora-hawd villages, a rebel spokesman declared that 45 soldiers were killed in the battle, as rebels captured caches of weaponry and other equipment.[21]

Between 1 June – 9 July 2014, five Ethiopian nationals were gunned down in the city of Garissa, Kenya. Investigations into the murders revealed the victims to be ONLF members or sympathizers, three Ethiopians and two Kenyans were detained in connection with the murders. The perpetrators allegedly belong to Ethiopian government militias. An ONLF official accused the militias of killing at least 10 Ogadenian refugees between 2010–2011.[22]

On 26 February 2015, a Liyuu police unit skirmished with ONLF rebels in the Las-Galol village south-east of the city of Harar. A day earlier clashes took place in Galalshe, Jigjiga area. The incident took place amidst an escalation in fighting following the death of ONLF commander Mustafe Haybe, two journalists and allegedly 120 government soldiers in recent engagements.

My Oromo nigga, step up your game when you trying to reach my level.

[Waachis]

How much is that, in comparison to the entire Ogaden, which is a very large/vast land?

http://www4.unfccc.int/nap/Documents/Cl ... Region.pdf

you can see for yourself, the somali areas of ethiopia are usually ''extremely food insecure.''


Being highland doesn't matter, it-Oromia still remains the economic backbone of Ethiopia, with everything, from gold, to iron ore, to silver, to platinum, to farmland, to etc.

We can definitely introduce modern farming to Oromia, that's a myth, because we've already seen it happen in a small area and it worked. Sorry son, you're wrong. The only reason we have many farmers, is because Ethiopia itself is heavily based on agriculture, it's a nation of subsistence farmers, still using the old archaic form of rain-fed agriculture, as opposed to modern, irrigation-based agriculture. Oromia alone can feed the entire horn, forget about just Ethiopia dude.

Join Somalia? When did Oromia ever want to? I think you're talking about the Ogadenis, not Oromos.

If you think all Oromia has is 40 million people and mountains, once again, you're on crack, pcp and meth combined.
we have gold, iron ore, coffee, platinum, silver, fish, gold, plenty of rivers flow through our land, farmland, livestock/cattle, honey, everything you can dream of. you cannot compare the ogaden to oromia in resources bro, sorry, but Somalia has a lot of resources no denying that.

[Waachis]

Waachis, your writing out of paranoia... just a simple little research on google can help out your situation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_Na ... tion_Front

In Ogaden region you can find desert and feritale land where the shabelle river flows, alot of development on the river has been made.
Ogaden has also gas and oil.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_Basin
The raid in Abole.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abole_raid

Insurgency in Ogaden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_Ogaden
The insurgency is an still going conflict which tells that ONLF are still active.

On 11 January 2011, Ethiopian authorities freed 402 previously imprisoned ONLF members as part of a peace deal, previously signed with one of ONLF's factions.[16]

On 4 July 2011, government troops killed 15 and detained 6 rebels, 2 Swedish journalists accompanying the militants were also wounded during the engagement.[17]

On 2 September 2011, a band of ONLF rebels attacked a military convoy escorting Chinese oil workers, outside the city of Jijiga. The insurgents claimed to have killed 25 soldiers while suffering several casualties, a government spokesman denied the ambush took place.[18]

Between 16–17 March 2012, according to a Human Rights Watch report, Ethiopian special police forces executed 10 civilians and looted dozens of shops in the village of Raqda, the attack came as a retaliation for the recent death of several policemen.[19]

Between 10 – 24 October 2013, ONLF carried out attacks on 13 military outposts in the Korehey and Nogob zones, the faction claimed to have killed 24 soldiers during the operation.[20]

On 6 December 2013, government troops engaged insurgents in the Banbaas, Qolaji and Hora-hawd villages, a rebel spokesman declared that 45 soldiers were killed in the battle, as rebels captured caches of weaponry and other equipment.[21]

Between 1 June – 9 July 2014, five Ethiopian nationals were gunned down in the city of Garissa, Kenya. Investigations into the murders revealed the victims to be ONLF members or sympathizers, three Ethiopians and two Kenyans were detained in connection with the murders. The perpetrators allegedly belong to Ethiopian government militias. An ONLF official accused the militias of killing at least 10 Ogadenian refugees between 2010–2011.[22]

On 26 February 2015, a Liyuu police unit skirmished with ONLF rebels in the Las-Galol village south-east of the city of Harar. A day earlier clashes took place in Galalshe, Jigjiga area. The incident took place amidst an escalation in fighting following the death of ONLF commander Mustafe Haybe, two journalists and allegedly 120 government soldiers in recent engagements.

My Oromo nigga, step up your game when you trying to reach my level.

''In the 2nd month of 1994 the ONLF-dominated regional assembly triggered a confrontation with the central EPRDF government by voting to exercise the ''right to self-determination'' for Somali region. The federal government moved swiftly, removing the 2nd regional president, Hassan Jire Qalinle, and his deputy from their posts on charges of corruption and neglect of official duties. Most of the regional administration was replaced later that year and a new EPRDF-affiliated party, the ESDL-Ethiopian Somali Democratic League, was formed by 10 NON-OGADENI political parties, with Abdul-Majid Hussein as its president.''

https://books.google.com/books?id=DnbhJ ... on&f=false



Bro one skirmish in 2015 doesn't mean the ONLF is actually active---answer me then: what land/how much land do they hold currently/and administer? that's the true sign of a successful rebel movement-controlling and administering land-like the TPLF, EPLF, and the OLF (albeit, on a smaller scale) did.

[MarsinQorahay]

Why are you coming up with what happened in 1994? ONLF didnt even pick up arms back then. we aren't talking about minorities that were given our seats because they are irrelevant to the situation down there.
ONLF is actually a subclan of the ogadens, Mohamed Zubeir which contains ( reer isaaq and reer cabdille) makes the majority with other subclans of the ogadens, you also have another major subclan named cawlyahan who don't participate in the rebel group.

Can you provide me any sources of OLF's attacks on ethiopian regime just like i did and show me any sources of which districts is under them?
come on dont be that stupid, ONLF does not just hold one village and so on, they roam around the region.
If they held villages dont you think the ethiopian regime would send their jets and militaries to those villages and bomb the shit out of it? hence why there was actually villages that were bombed to the ground.

Oromia is a rich country indeed just like you mentioned but the region happend to have the wrong people living there, just a fact.
Ogaden has also gold, diamonds and other mineral resources including gas and oil + the river.
Only gas and oil can outrun your ''feritale lands'' and your golds.

[Waachis]

I brought it up because YOU did, you were talking about WHY TPLF kept changing YOUR regional president, and I just gave you the reason why: because ONLF tried to secede and the EPRDF said NO SIR.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US: I never claimed the OLF was still strong today, but when it comes to historically speaking, it did administer land in the small areas it liberated (dembi dolo, and some areas in eastern oromia) and it was the 3rd strongest rebel army that fought the derg.

you are still claiming ONLF is active and strong, but i am not claiming OLF is the same, because i am all about the truth sir.

if they don't hold villages, is it because they CAN'T? What's the point of roaming if you don't control anything you roam on? What?!

TPLF held villages, they got bombed, and still; they rebuilt and held it, just like the EPLF did in Eritrea. No matter what, you cannot be a successful liberation army/movement if you don't control any parts of the land you claim to control/or fight for.

what gas or oil? where is it? did you use it yet? did it benefit you yet? Once you dig it up and use it, then come back and brag.

how much gold does the ogaden have in comparison to oromia then? one goldmind in oromia can outnumber it i bet, the one in adoola/kebre mengist.

u cannot eat oil and gold, can u? u cannot benefit from it, until u dig it out, right? soooo bragging about resources you can't even see or touch, is silly to me, sir.

[AwRastaale]

Fake news.

And in reality Amhara and co have the most "allies". TPLF is just teasing. Somalis are not even a member of EPRDF---just a lip service given to few Ogadens who believe it and go around burning Oromo flag.

Amhara have biggest single unified population, then you have the majority of Oromo from Wollo, Shoa, most parts of Wellega allied with them, Agews, Gurage, Benishangulis and Gumus, southern groups and so forth. Even most Gambella are more favourable towards them because successive regimes led by Amhara and co tried to end slavery of these ethnics by Arabs, Oromo chiefs and others (mostly raided in what's now South Sudan, Benishangul, parts of Gambella and Wellega).

Tigrays are split themselves and the day Amhara general emerges the vast majority of them will swallow their pride and rally behind him.

Now you have Arsi Oromo on their own most part abd want greater autonomy.

Then Borana feels alienated and as traditional nomads they can't really relate to Amhara.

The eastern Oromo namely Afran Qallu are the ones who sing what Somalis wish to hear. They are not only weak in respect to other Oromo but they are highly confused.

Karraayyu are nomads and don't care about politics. Their land is mostly untouched by the Ethiopian autocratic regimes.

Thus when it comes to the game of all sums Amhara have the numbers.

It is just that everything has its time and cause. It will play it out but we can expect the old Amhara-Oromo allies of Wollo/Shoa to return to Menelik Palace.

[original dervish]

No doubt they will require eunuchs.

[MarsinQorahay]

I brought it up because YOU did, you were talking about WHY TPLF kept changing YOUR regional president, and I just gave you the reason why: because ONLF tried to secede and the EPRDF said NO SIR.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US: I never claimed the OLF was still strong today, but when it comes to historically speaking, it did administer land in the small areas it liberated (dembi dolo, and some areas in eastern oromia) and it was the 3rd strongest rebel army that fought the derg.

you are still claiming ONLF is active and strong, but i am not claiming OLF is the same, because i am all about the truth sir.

if they don't hold villages, is it because they CAN'T? What's the point of roaming if you don't control anything you roam on? What?!

TPLF held villages, they got bombed, and still; they rebuilt and held it, just like the EPLF did in Eritrea. No matter what, you cannot be a successful liberation army/movement if you don't control any parts of the land you claim to control/or fight for.

what gas or oil? where is it? did you use it yet? did it benefit you yet? Once you dig it up and use it, then come back and brag.

how much gold does the ogaden have in comparison to oromia then? one goldmind in oromia can outnumber it i bet, the one in adoola/kebre mengist.

u cannot eat oil and gold, can u? u cannot benefit from it, until u dig it out, right? soooo bragging about resources you can't even see or touch, is silly to me, sir.

Your on pcp, crack cocaine, heroin combined.
Since when did i say ''WHY tplf'' changed its presidents of the ogaden region? i already know why they did that because it didn't effect or did any change to the situation with ONLF until Abdi Mahamud came to the power of the region.
Neither did i say ONLF was strong as it used to be but ofcourse it is weaker today due to Abdi Mohamud Omar, But they are still active in the region.
TPLF and EPRDF had access to the sea where they got the most support from + Somalia that gave them shelter and embassies, diplomatic ( not civilian) passports.
Your oromo people got the same support from Somalia but ofcourse you didnt have the access to sea since your an landlocked ethnic people, but again you did get support from siad barre but still managed to run back to papa mengistu and ask him for forgiveness and pick up arms against the people that supported you, why did that happend, why couldn't you benefit from the support of somalia and take over ethiopia like the eritreans and the TPLF did?
I will tell you, majority of your people are harmless farmers, you are not warriors like you use to tell yourself to make you feel better.
Again TPLF and EPRDF ( Eritrea and Tigre) combined are still little to your population of 50 million. You're taking a major L here sir.
You know why the oil isn't digged up yet? I will let you answer that for yourself.

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ONLF did no damage bro. The potential was there, for them to be strong, but then clan-divisions reared its ugly head and weakened the Somali struggle. The TPLF just found a willing puppet named abdi iley and made the liyyu and boom...now they can spread their soldiers to other regions and let somalis kill somalis....
the government, during the protests, were actually pushed out of a lot of oromia. you should study this more before discussing it, no offense bro. but many govt structures were destroyed and the local tplf cadres were chased out. this is why the declared the emergency, it was literally the biggest challenge to their power.
and our goal is almost done. as we speak, the gold and mineral resources are in oromo hands. the opdo is standing up to tplf, goal #2. slowly but surely, you'll see more and more of this.

The Ogaden region has had several presidents, why haven't they fought against the ONLF like Abdi Iley did? surely they had the governments backing and ofcourse police or army force to fight against them.
I guess you have no idea on what and how the Ogaden region was before Abdi Iley, do a little research then come back and give your opinions regarding my region.

ONLF did more damage to the Ethiopian regime than OLF, and it still effects them today as we speak, unlike your regions my lands are not given away for free to chinese and indians, They and the government of ethiopia are too scared to come further down than jigjiga.

Your goal is not done until TPLF is toppled out of the seat.
The state is in emergency meaning the government can do whatever they want across the country, They are killing amhara and oromo who made the unrest during the demonstrations.

Again, your 50 million of the ethiopian population and still haven't received your goal, Eritrea managed to get their independence with only 4-5 million in population, how come you haven't received yours?

You're people are divided through politics, ideology and religion... that's the oromos to blame for.

^^ there you go, crack-head nigga, u talking about the different presidents who didn't fight ONLF, of course they wouldn't because THEY WERE ONLF THEMSELVES--and why were they removed, agaiN? because they pushed for secession.
You said they were active, and I simply asked if so: what land do they hold and administer? If they don't control or administer any, it's pointless to say they're active bro. Roaming around a desert doesn't indicate activity or strength.
We didn't accept Somali Abo title, we didn't accept siad barre wanting 45% of Oromia, that's why we disagreed and fell out. if the oromo were in the position siad barre was in, somalis wouldn't accept us wanting 45% of somalia either. it's simple logic.
the majority of your people are harmless nomads too, hence the reason there's like 10 different national armies in somalia doing whatever they want.
i don't care why it isn't digged up yet, until its dug up and used, it's pointless to brag about it.