More proof that the Somalis are an Oromo off-shoot

[OAF]

Did the somalis kill innocent oromo during the 1977-78 war against ethiopia??
i thought oromos were allied to somalia during the war under the somali abo faction?

[Xildiiid]

The Somali language is linguistically closer to Afar and Saho than Oromo.

Secondly.. The idea that we descended from naked savages such as the Oromos is ludicrous.

An Oromo can never be equal to a Somali.

[paperino]

Did the somalis kill innocent oromo during the 1977-78 war against ethiopia??
i thought oromos were allied to somalia during the war under the somali abo faction?

I think Waachis is making it up.

[OAF]

Did the somalis kill innocent oromo during the 1977-78 war against ethiopia??
i thought oromos were allied to somalia during the war under the somali abo faction?

I think Waachis is making it up.

Clearly he is, he can't control his temper so he makes things up when he loses in debates.

[AwRastaale]

Waachis,

You have nothing for me to address. You just posted more diary entries that never said anything about one being father and the other son. You either don't understand English or as usual your trolling.

The only worthy statement of addressing is #2 which uses a quote from Sir Burton which never said anything about Somalis being son of Oromo.

2. ''Perhaps the old theory of Sir R. Burton is the most correct one: that they (Somalis) are of negro-Hamitic descent, and 'nothing but a slice of the great Galla nation Islam-ized and Semiticised by repeated immigrations from Arabia.' Such a theory is in the main in harmony with the Somali traditions of their Arabian descent, and geographical and historical conditions do not conflict with it; moreover, the physical type of the people agrees with it. The origin of the Galla is another question altogether. Whether they are part of the same race, which pushed into South Africa from the North and are now represented by the Kafir, or whether they are a half-caste Abyssinian race, need not here be discussed.

All it says is Somalis are slice and that does not say anything about one being father and the other son. You not even worthy of addressing at this point because you can't comprehend simple English.

If you slice a cake does that mean one half is the father and the other half is the son? Or do they simply mean they originate from the same source/ingredients?

No one doubts Somalis, Oromo, Agew, Afar, Saho, Bilen, belong to Cushitic family but you are desperate to portray Gallas that were named by Somalis as the father.

Until 1940s no one heard of "Oromo".

You still carry and every diary and source you quote beyond that era will name you Galla, a name from Somalis.

In the same statement above, the author even doesn't know your origins and questions the Gallas as "another question altogether" meaning you are unknown let alone being Somalis' father.

You only digging your own hole deeper. I have given you enough chances to address your views like a mature person but you just chasing your own tail.

I will no longer reply. Not even worth it. Even the sources you quoted said 'need not here be discussed'. You trying too hard.

I will let you troll like the other guys above.

[Waachis]

Dear Alphamale1,

That's more like, your opinion, as opposed to a fact based on actual research among the respective Oromo and Somali nations.
Can you prove that the average somali is more ''quick-witted'' than the average oromo?
and as far as more mild, perhaps so, because farmers tend to be more mild and chill, while nomads are usually hot-headed like the weather they're usually in.
the afar are very warlike, for example, because they live in perhaps the most harsh climate in the world.
You lived among, how many oromos, out of the 40 million in existence? how many did you live among--perhaps 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? give us an actual #, don't be so vague.
I agree that Somalis feel that others are inferior, but can ethiopia be inferior, if it's army is in your land doing as it wishes?
no! so those feelings of superiority are based on just that: feelings, and not actual facts.




hayyee,
nagattii.

[Negusyenegast]

Re: Do Oromo people really Come from Madagascar?
Nebro: I am not sure about the Madagascar story, but I know for sure that most the places they claim as theirs today were places taken by force and genocide from other ancient Smaller ethnic groups of Ethiopia. Arusi and bale were no doubt the lands of hadya. Wellega used to be Damot. Shewa oromos took the lands of ancient ppl like weleka,gurage, werjies, Maya and Amhara. Place names like shimbrra kure. are now replaced by oromo names like bishoftu. Bets Amhara and Angot is now given an oromo name called wello. If there is love, this is nothing but human history but with the kind of hate politics in Ethiopia today this is a good recipe to start war among the next generation. All we need is love.

http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62471

You need to stop hanging around Extremist-Amhara-Unionists. They're the same ones who believe the Ogaden is Ethiopian, more Ethiopian than Somali, and says that Somalis there should speak Amharic first! If you take them as your historical source, you're as retarded as they are!

The Oromo conquered lands just everyone else did. We just did it better than most, so our neighbors envy us, with their evil-buda-eyes.

Look at you propagating lies again. Ethiopian habeshas have been present in north central Ethiopia for over 6k years. This is something you can't deny, it's proven in the archeological records. Oromos moved to most of central, eastern and western lands after the 1300-1500s. It's been documented by numerous people including the Ethiopian empire, adal (harari/afar) sultanate, the hadiya (gurage) and so on. You have litterally killed off most endemic minority ethnicities in Ethiopia. Now you cry whenever you are told that Ethiopia is for Ethiopians not oromoians.

[Waachis]

Re: Do Oromo people really Come from Madagascar?
Nebro: I am not sure about the Madagascar story, but I know for sure that most the places they claim as theirs today were places taken by force and genocide from other ancient Smaller ethnic groups of Ethiopia. Arusi and bale were no doubt the lands of hadya. Wellega used to be Damot. Shewa oromos took the lands of ancient ppl like weleka,gurage, werjies, Maya and Amhara. Place names like shimbrra kure. are now replaced by oromo names like bishoftu. Bets Amhara and Angot is now given an oromo name called wello. If there is love, this is nothing but human history but with the kind of hate politics in Ethiopia today this is a good recipe to start war among the next generation. All we need is love.

http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62471

You need to stop hanging around Extremist-Amhara-Unionists. They're the same ones who believe the Ogaden is Ethiopian, more Ethiopian than Somali, and says that Somalis there should speak Amharic first! If you take them as your historical source, you're as retarded as they are!

The Oromo conquered lands just everyone else did. We just did it better than most, so our neighbors envy us, with their evil-buda-eyes.

Look at you propagating lies again. Ethiopian habeshas have been present in north central Ethiopia for over 6k years. This is something you can't deny, it's proven in the archeological records. Oromos moved to most of central, eastern and western lands after the 1300-1500s. It's been documented by numerous people including the Ethiopian empire, adal (harari/afar) sultanate, the hadiya (gurage) and so on. You have litterally killed off most endemic minority ethnicities in Ethiopia. Now you cry whenever you are told that Ethiopia is for Ethiopians not oromoians.

''In the middle of the millennium before the Christian era, Yemeni tribes (Habashat being one of them) crossed the Red Sea, forming communities in what would become Ethiopia. They brought with them an ancient Saebean writing system that developed into the 276-letter syllabic alphabet used to write Ge'ez and later Amharic, the language of the Ethiopian government today. During this pre-Christian period, tribal kingdoms emerged throughout the region, and historians believe that one such kingdom, ruled by the Habasha people, eventually formed powerful Axum.

These Semitic Habashas from Arabia naturally intermingled with the people who were already there, creating the Amhara-Tigrinya culture of Northern Ethiopia and Eritrea that would become the ruling class in the millennia that followed, dominating the descendants of the Africans WHO LIVED THERE LONG BEFORE THEIR ARRIVAL.''

[Mesob Across America: Ethiopian Food in the U.S.A.
By Harry Kloman, Chapter 3-A Stroll Through Ethiopian History]



How about the Oromos?


''Others place the early home of the Oromos near the snow-topped mountains Kenia and Kilimanjaro, so that their first migrations would've been from south to north. More recently a contrary theory has found favor, that the east cape of Africa was the cradle of the Oromo race, and that in Pre-Islamic times they were situated to the south of the Gulf of Aden; their own wandering tendencies and the development of the Somali races (from the oromo) then drove the Oromos west and south from their early homes.''

[Harmsworth History of the World - Volume 3 - Fourth Grand Division - The Near East Hardcover – 1908
by Arthur (ed.), page 2268]

Soooo who has more right to African lands: Africans, regardless of where they came from; or the descendants of ARAB TRIBES?!

[Waachis]

LOL @ Ethiopia is for ''Ethiopians.'' That's just code for: Ethiopia is only for Amhara and Tigrayans!
Sorry agame boy, that won't work with me! I know your people too well!
Secondly, why would the Oromo relate to a state that is based on oppressing them?
Thirdly, without us Oromos, Ethiopia would collapse in 2.3 seconds! Our land and manpower is the backbone of the country!
So I'd be more humble when dealing with Oromos, because they can survive and THRIVE WITH, or WITHOUT ETHIOPIA.
It's Tigray who has to depend on the food and security that a large country provides, not the Oromos!!!

[paperino]

Dear Alphamale1,

That's more like, your opinion, as opposed to a fact based on actual research among the respective Oromo and Somali nations.
Can you prove that the average somali is more ''quick-witted'' than the average oromo?
and as far as more mild, perhaps so, because farmers tend to be more mild and chill, while nomads are usually hot-headed like the weather they're usually in.
the afar are very warlike, for example, because they live in perhaps the most harsh climate in the world.
You lived among, how many oromos, out of the 40 million in existence? how many did you live among--perhaps 10,000? 50,000? 100,000? give us an actual #, don't be so vague.
I agree that Somalis feel that others are inferior, but can ethiopia be inferior, if it's army is in your land doing as it wishes?
no! so those feelings of superiority are based on just that: feelings, and not actual facts.

Alphamale1 isn't making sense. Individuals like him think being aggressive is better than being mild. Well, many who went to the West have landed in jail as a result of being aggressive.

[Negusyenegast]

You need to stop hanging around Extremist-Amhara-Unionists. They're the same ones who believe the Ogaden is Ethiopian, more Ethiopian than Somali, and says that Somalis there should speak Amharic first! If you take them as your historical source, you're as retarded as they are!

The Oromo conquered lands just everyone else did. We just did it better than most, so our neighbors envy us, with their evil-buda-eyes.

Look at you propagating lies again. Ethiopian habeshas have been present in north central Ethiopia for over 6k years. This is something you can't deny, it's proven in the archeological records. Oromos moved to most of central, eastern and western lands after the 1300-1500s. It's been documented by numerous people including the Ethiopian empire, adal (harari/afar) sultanate, the hadiya (gurage) and so on. You have litterally killed off most endemic minority ethnicities in Ethiopia. Now you cry whenever you are told that Ethiopia is for Ethiopians not oromoians.

''In the middle of the millennium before the Christian era, Yemeni tribes (Habashat being one of them) crossed the Red Sea, forming communities in what would become Ethiopia. They brought with them an ancient Saebean writing system that developed into the 276-letter syllabic alphabet used to write Ge'ez and later Amharic, the language of the Ethiopian government today. During this pre-Christian period, tribal kingdoms emerged throughout the region, and historians believe that one such kingdom, ruled by the Habasha people, eventually formed powerful Axum.

These Semitic Habashas from Arabia naturally intermingled with the people who were already there, creating the Amhara-Tigrinya culture of Northern Ethiopia and Eritrea that would become the ruling class in the millennia that followed, dominating the descendants of the Africans WHO LIVED THERE LONG BEFORE THEIR ARRIVAL.''

[Mesob Across America: Ethiopian Food in the U.S.A.
By Harry Kloman, Chapter 3-A Stroll Through Ethiopian History]



How about the Oromos?


''Others place the early home of the Oromos near the snow-topped mountains Kenia and Kilimanjaro, so that their first migrations would've been from south to north. More recently a contrary theory has found favor, that the east cape of Africa was the cradle of the Oromo race, and that in Pre-Islamic times they were situated to the south of the Gulf of Aden; their own wandering tendencies and the development of the Somali races (from the oromo) then drove the Oromos west and south from their early homes.''

[Harmsworth History of the World - Volume 3 - Fourth Grand Division - The Near East Hardcover – 1908
by Arthur (ed.), page 2268]

Soooo who has more right to African lands: Africans, regardless of where they came from; or the descendants of ARAB TRIBES?!

"The Ge'ez language is classified as a South Semitic language. It evolved from an earlier proto-Ethio-Semitic ancestor used to write royal inscriptions of the kingdom of Dʿmt in Epigraphic South Arabian. The Ge'ez language is no longer universally thought of, as previously assumed, to be an offshoot of Sabaean or Old South Arabian,[16] and there is some linguistic (though not written) evidence of Semitic languages being spoken in Eritrea and Ethiopia since approximately 2000 BC.[17] However, the Ge'ez script later replaced Epigraphic South Arabian in the Kingdom of Aksum. Epigraphic South Arabian letters were used for a few inscriptions into the 8th century, though not any South Arabian language since Dʿmt. Early inscriptions in Ge'ez and Ge'ez script have been dated[18] to as early as the 5th century BC, and in a sort of proto-Ge'ez written in ESA since the 9th century BC."

Sabaean influence is now thought to have been minor, limited to a few localities, and disappearing after a few decades or a century, perhaps representing a trading or military colony in some sort of symbiosis or military alliance with the civilization of D'mt or some proto-Aksumite state.

So if a language switch occurred 3000bce (over 5000 years ago) that does not mean the people of north Ethiopia are any different than the past.

The Great Oromo migrations, also known as the Oromo migrations, were a series of expansions in the 16th and the 17th centuries by the Oromo people from southern Ethiopia, namely the contemporary Borana and Guji zones, into more northerly regions of Ethiopia. The expansion had a profound impact on subsequent historical events occurring in Ethiopia.

Mélbah (1522-1530) and Mudena (1530-1538)
According to Bahrey, the earliest Oromo migrations occurred under the Oromo luba Melbah, during the time of Emperor Lebna Dengel. He states that they invaded the neighboring Bale in the Southeast just before the invasions of Ahmad ibn Ibrihim al-Ghazi of Adal (also known as Ahmed Gure) in the north. These early incursions (Oromo: razzia) were limited, however, as the encroaching groups returned to their homeland near the Shebelle River after each raid. Raids continued under Mudena past the Wabi Shebelle, but these groups also returned home shortly.[2]

Kilolé (1538-1546)
After the death of Ahmed Gure, Kilolé resumed his predecessors raids, piercing further into Ethiopian territory. Aided by the weakening of both the Ethiopian Kingdom and Adal, he was able to raid as far as the province of Dewaro, north of Bali. Again, however, after each raid, the parties returned to their villages. Bahrey's dating might, however, be off, however, as Shihab ad-din, who wrote a decade before Ahmed Gragn's death, notes a locality named Werre Qallu, an Oromo name, in the province of Dewaro. Francisco de Almeida, however, agreed with Bahrey's dating, affirming that the Galla first began migrating around the time of Ahmed Gragn's invasion (1527).[3]

You litterally showed up in most of Ethiopia after the 15th century.

[Negusyenegast]

LOL @ Ethiopia is for ''Ethiopians.'' That's just code for: Ethiopia is only for Amhara and Tigrayans!
Sorry agame boy, that won't work with me! I know your people too well!
Secondly, why would the Oromo relate to a state that is based on oppressing them?
Thirdly, without us Oromos, Ethiopia would collapse in 2.3 seconds! Our land and manpower is the backbone of the country!
So I'd be more humble when dealing with Oromos, because they can survive and THRIVE WITH, or WITHOUT ETHIOPIA.
It's Tigray who has to depend on the food and security that a large country provides, not the Oromos!!!

Let's not throw insults. You know the truth, we both know that oromos expanded in that last few centuries and dispelled or consumed the people whose land they took. Amharas and tigrayans have not ruled Ethiopia since Menelik, and even he is debated on whether he is even Amhara. How can people who have consumed another country and who have taken so much land cry about being discriminated against. Yes Amharic is the official language of Ethiopia, get over it. Amharas outnumber oromos, but the current government messed up by telling the people oromos made the plurality (not majority). They filled your heads up with hate and now it's backfiring on them.

[Waachis]

1/ where/what is the sources you quoted? i see no names of books or scholars, just numbers?
2/ do not throw insults around, if you cannot handle them yourself. you get what you give out.
3/ saying amharas outnumber oromos is like saying afars outnumber somalis--it's simply not true or based on facts.
TPLF hates oromos more than they hate amharas, who are still their christian and semitic kin, so they have no reason to lie about amhara numbers or oromo numbers to benefit the oromo. if anything, tplf wants to downplay the numbers of oromos.
4/ amharas and tigrayans were the main benefecaries of the empires expansion--while the southerners lost their land rights and became serfs on their own land, tigrayans and amharas never lost their land rights. while they enjoyed their languages, the southerners had their culture and languages banned, denigrated, and forced them to speak amharic.


Here's how the Oromo assimilated those they conquered:

''Hence, one notable difference between oromo and Amhara assimilation is that the Oromos gradually grant full citizenship to the peoples they assiilate, a fact that steadily swells their numbers from generation to generation. Their success derives from the fact that they give ample elbow room to the assimilated elites who are allowed to:
1.Merge completely and claim common ancestry with their Oromo hosts;
2. Retain their identity and become new corporate entities (clans) inside Oromo society; 3) Form an alliance with the Oromo hosts and duplicate Oromo institutions for themselves. These are the three different strategies of assimilation available to aliens at different stages of becoming Oromo.''

[Integration and Peace in East Africa: A History of the Oromo Nation
By T. Etefa-pg 80]


How about the Amharas?

''Precisely the opposite condition to the Oromo seemed to me to characterize the Amhara of Northern Shoa and my impression has been confirmed by others. Amhara live in closed communities, hard for newcomers to join. Newcomers are regarded with suspicion and, if they belong to other ethnic groups, find it extremely difficult to gain acceptance.''

[Waachis]

Waachis,

You have nothing for me to address. You just posted more diary entries that never said anything about one being father and the other son. You either don't understand English or as usual your trolling.

The only worthy statement of addressing is #2 which uses a quote from Sir Burton which never said anything about Somalis being son of Oromo.

2. ''Perhaps the old theory of Sir R. Burton is the most correct one: that they (Somalis) are of negro-Hamitic descent, and 'nothing but a slice of the great Galla nation Islam-ized and Semiticised by repeated immigrations from Arabia.' Such a theory is in the main in harmony with the Somali traditions of their Arabian descent, and geographical and historical conditions do not conflict with it; moreover, the physical type of the people agrees with it. The origin of the Galla is another question altogether. Whether they are part of the same race, which pushed into South Africa from the North and are now represented by the Kafir, or whether they are a half-caste Abyssinian race, need not here be discussed.

All it says is Somalis are slice and that does not say anything about one being father and the other son. You not even worthy of addressing at this point because you can't comprehend simple English.

If you slice a cake does that mean one half is the father and the other half is the son? Or do they simply mean they originate from the same source/ingredients?

No one doubts Somalis, Oromo, Agew, Afar, Saho, Bilen, belong to Cushitic family but you are desperate to portray Gallas that were named by Somalis as the father.

Until 1940s no one heard of "Oromo".

You still carry and every diary and source you quote beyond that era will name you Galla, a name from Somalis.

In the same statement above, the author even doesn't know your origins and questions the Gallas as "another question altogether" meaning you are unknown let alone being Somalis' father.

You only digging your own hole deeper. I have given you enough chances to address your views like a mature person but you just chasing your own tail.

I will no longer reply. Not even worth it. Even the sources you quoted said 'need not here be discussed'. You trying too hard.

I will let you troll like the other guys above.

In other words: you cannot refute the proof i brought, therefore, you go on an insult-filled rant.
forget the name, galla or oromo, since both refer to the same people, and as long as the reader knows that; it's fine.

[AwRastaale]

You brought nothing to the table.

Stop wasting your time with diaries that don't even recognise you as an Oromo. I thought Galla is offensive.

If they were legit sources they would take the time to study and ask Oromo for their proper indigenous name.

Amazing how you hold diaries that take insults at your people so highly and let alone mention you as a fsther they don't even know anything called Oromo. Just Galla.