Axmed Guray - What do you know about him?

[KingWaslawi]

Do you know his clan?


Axmed guray Badhgooyee
La dhigay goodir dhiniciisa
Hadday guuto igu soo
baxshen Wa Gallad ilaahe

Golyeey maalintiaan idhi
dalkii inay gashaan shegtay
Gurey maalintaan dilay
colkood inuu go'aan shegtay
geerarshe dheer iyo
dagaal waran galaan sheegtay
gacaniyo in geed laga hadliyo
gobbanimaan shegtay!...

Masii wadaa?

[Ben Dover]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

[KingWaslawi]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

Yes he was isaaq even Ethiopians know him very well. Itoobiyaanka wadnuhuu u galay, read this funny recent comment from youtube.

[Ben Dover]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

Yes he was isaaq even Ethiopians know him very well. Itoobiyaanka wadnuhuu u galay, read this funny recent comment from youtube.

Of course they know he was Isaaq, even during the 77 war, it was Isaaq who put up the greatest fight and freed the Somali districts from Ethiopian rule, all the while hosting the majority of Somali refugees in their land, even non-Isaaq army officers admitted as much.

It is said that during the 77 war amxaar were shouting this as they were retreating:

"aar waa kuwii"

[kanadiid90]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

watch out for that gadabursi kid rooble with his habr maqdi and maps shit like

[AwRastaale]

He was a fictional character and all ethnics in the Horn say he was one of them; Afar, Oromo, Somali, Amhara (Muslim ones), Tigrais (Muslim).

Then all Somali tribes claim him even the ones that never saw the north.

We had this topic far too many times.

No one has pure and academic sources or evidence just pure speculation and faan.

[Ben Dover]

Ahmed Gurey was an Isaaq man, many people confuse him with Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi, but they are two separate people. His name was Ahmed Xuseen Al Somali, nickname being Axmed Gurey. The Arab chronicles made it clear that there were two historical characters, both named Ahmed, one named Ghazi whilst the other who was of the Habar Magadle Isaaq was called Axmed Gurey.

watch out for that gadabursi kid rooble with his habr maqdi and maps shit like

Shit, wtf have I done

Not the maps, please god no...

[Ben Dover]

He was a fictional character and all ethnics in the Horn say he was one of them; Afar, Oromo, Somali, Amhara (Muslim ones), Tigrais (Muslim).

Then all Somali tribes claim him even the ones that never saw the north.

We had this topic far too many times.

No one has pure and academic sources or evidence just pure speculation and faan.

There are academic sources, and they are very clear. There are two Ahmeds whom people often conflate into one historical figure, Ahmad Al Ghazi (the imam) and Axmed Gurey (the Isaaq Habar Magaadle leader):

The text refers to two Ahmad's with the nickname 'Left-handed'. One is regularly presented as 'Ahmad Guray, the Somali' (...) identified as Ahmad Guray Xuseyn, chief of the Habar Magadle. Another reference, however, appears to link the Habar Magadle with the Marrehan. The other Ahmad is simply referred to as 'Imam Ahmad' or simply the 'Imam'.This Ahmad is not qualified by the adjective Somali (...) The two Ahmad's have been conflated into one figure, the heroic Ahmed Guray

No one is disputing Ahmed Gurey was Isaaq Habar Magaadle (at least academically), what is often a subject of dispute is the ethnicity of the other Ahmed, the Imam.

[Canuck2]

Both of Ahmeds (two men ) were Somalis one issaq and second ahmed dir/marehan. Funny thing is Oromo and afar who were behind fall of Adal sultanate are claiming him today. The capital of Adal changed from harar due Oromo’s attack, later the afar uprising killed the rest of Adal. Small note no Oromo or afar leader had these excellent military skill that found only in Somalis.

[Canuck2]

[Ben Dover]

Both of Ahmeds (two men ) were Somalis one issaq and second ahmed dir/marehan. Funny thing is Oromo and afar who were behind fall of Adal sultanate are claiming him today. The capital of Adal changed from harar due Oromo’s attack, later the afar uprising killed the rest of Adal. Small note no Oromo or afar leader had these excellent military skill that found only in Somalis.

Ahmed Gurey was Isaaq Habar Magaadle, the other Ahmed, the Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi who was the leader the jihad is a mystery, we do not know his background, he is assumed to be Somali because Somalis made the bulk of his army. The only Ahmed to be named was the leader of the Habar Magadle.

Marehan were led by Xiraabu Gutia Teodorous, who is also labeled as the leader of bandits, the sources discuss how him and his people were stragglers and late to arrive at the Imam's behest, citing their poverty-stricken state as an excuse . Xiraabu ended up fleeing and was chased by the Imam, he fled all the way to Hawiye country, no joke.

[Adali]

Both of Ahmeds (two men ) were Somalis one issaq and second ahmed dir/marehan. Funny thing is Oromo and afar who were behind fall of Adal sultanate are claiming him today. The capital of Adal changed from harar due Oromo’s attack, later the afar uprising killed the rest of Adal. Small note no Oromo or afar leader had these excellent military skill that found only in Somalis.

Ahmed Gurey was Isaaq Habar Magaadle, the other Ahmed, the Imam Ahmed Al Ghazi who was the leader the jihad is a mystery, we do not know his background, he is assumed to be Somali because Somalis made the bulk of his army. The only Ahmed to be named was the leader of the Habar Magadle.

Marehan were led by Xiraabu Gutia Teodorous, who is also labeled as the leader of bandits, the sources discuss how him and his people were stragglers and late to arrive at the Imam's behest, citing their poverty-stricken state as an excuse . Xiraabu ended up fleeing and was chased by the Imam, he fled all the way to Hawiye country, no joke.

What about Nur Ibn Mujahid ?

you are right historically Ahmed gurey as the one every Somali know him as, not your sultan, remains a mystery, there were many nations against Adal just as there are many nation against Somalia today, it is no wonder historical documents were erased, kept secrete or altered, do not always believe what other men write young boy.

The only reason why Marehan claim Ahmed Gurey, is the same reason we claim Nur Ibn Mujahid, but unlike Ahmed gurey, Nur actually fathered an entire subclan called Ina Nur, Ximanjaale former Snet poster was from that clan.

Also if you look at Harar the capital of Adal, you have roads named after Marehan subclans such as Talxa, Abadir Muse etc. Harar in the end was lost by Nur Ibn Muajahid and since then Somalis have been fleeing it slowly.

Lets at least agree that Harar and Adal was lead by Darood, there were many Isaaq involved aswell, so this idea that Somaliland was the first independent Somali state is BS, we were always independent and even formed clan diverse states prior to 1960.

[Ben Dover]

What about Nur Ibn Mujahid ?

you are right historically Ahmed gurey as the one every Somali know him as, not your sultan, remains a mystery, there were many nations against Adal just as there are many nation against Somalia today, it is no wonder historical documents were erased, kept secrete or altered, do not always believe what other men write young boy.

The only reason why Marehan claim Ahmed Gurey, is the same reason we claim Nur Ibn Mujahid, but unlike Ahmed gurey, Nur actually fathered an entire subclan called Ina Nur, Ximanjaale former Snet poster was from that clan.

Also if you look at Harar the capital of Adal, you have roads named after Marehan subclans such as Talxa, Abadir Muse etc. Harar in the end was lost by Nur Ibn Muajahid and since then Somalis have been fleeing it slowly.

Lets at least agree that Harar and Adal was lead by Darood, there were many Isaaq involved aswell, so this idea that Somaliland was the first independent Somali state is BS, we were always independent and even formed clan diverse states prior to 1960.

Marehan have no claim to Ahmed Gurey, he was an Isaaq Habar Magaadle man.

Nur Ibn Mujahid was never described as Marehan in the original Arabic, I have only seen one single mention of Marehan in an article on Nur Ibn Mujahid but again, this is not from the original Arabic Futuh text. Having a subclan called reer Nur is common among Somalis.

The only Marehan leader in the source is Xiraabu Gutia Teodorous. No other Marehan is named in the Arabic source, which as far as I know is the only document detailing that war.

I would not mention Darod in the context of Adal, the Marehan leader Xiraabu was chased by the Imam all the way to Hawiye country, he was also described as the leader of bandits, and he killed a boy before he fled, not exactly bragging material.

[ramzy2277]

i think the imam was from ethnicity called harla, apparently they are not somalis, i remember reading in the futux al xabasha that there was a brawl between somali soldiers and the harla soldiers, then the imam settled them apart and put a seprate leaders that are from their own ethnicity, the imam appointed his own brother as the leader of harla ( hararis).

also the author of the book always was referring to somalis as distant people from the imam ,like when he described how the imam diciplined the rebellious somalis clans and attacked them then he left to his home country.( traveling from harar towards somali areas and coming back).

hey did i this right....!!?...... the imam was marexan and adal was darood state.....

[Adali]

What about Nur Ibn Mujahid ?

you are right historically Ahmed gurey as the one every Somali know him as, not your sultan, remains a mystery, there were many nations against Adal just as there are many nation against Somalia today, it is no wonder historical documents were erased, kept secrete or altered, do not always believe what other men write young boy.

The only reason why Marehan claim Ahmed Gurey, is the same reason we claim Nur Ibn Mujahid, but unlike Ahmed gurey, Nur actually fathered an entire subclan called Ina Nur, Ximanjaale former Snet poster was from that clan.

Also if you look at Harar the capital of Adal, you have roads named after Marehan subclans such as Talxa, Abadir Muse etc. Harar in the end was lost by Nur Ibn Muajahid and since then Somalis have been fleeing it slowly.

Lets at least agree that Harar and Adal was lead by Darood, there were many Isaaq involved aswell, so this idea that Somaliland was the first independent Somali state is BS, we were always independent and even formed clan diverse states prior to 1960.

Marehan have no claim to Ahmed Gurey, he was an Isaaq Habar Magaadle man.

Nur Ibn Mujahid was never described as Marehan in the original Arabic, I have only seen one single mention of Marehan in an article on Nur Ibn Mujahid but again, this is not from the original Arabic Futuh text. Having a subclan called reer Nur is common among Somalis.

The only Marehan leader in the source is Xiraabu Gutia Teodorous. No other Marehan is named in the Arabic source, which as far as I know is the only document detailing that war.

I would not mention Darod in the context of Adal, the Marehan leader Xiraabu was chased by the Imam all the way to Hawiye country, he was also described as the leader of bandits, and he killed a boy before he fled, not exactly bragging material.

Its not about a clan being named nur but traditional stories being passed down through the generations, do you only rely on historical documents ?

my grandparents who name these characters such as Ahmed Gurey and Amir Nur have not read any historical documents, they learned it from their grandparents etc.

The original arabic text has no mention of Marehan besides Hirabu ? srs doubt that my friend, have you read the original text, last I remember you relied on the english translation.