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Turkey Exposed For Aiding Iran During Sanctions

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Re: Turkey Exposed For Aiding Iran During Sanctions

Postby AbdiCushite » Sun Jan 28, 2018 10:10 pm

"Why do you think Obama and Kerry were so eager to get the Nuclear Deal done? It was because these type of transactions were also being done by China and Russia. The stability of the US dollar as the global reserve currency was at threat long term due to these practices."

Huh? How does this make sense ? They did the Iran Nuclear Deal because China and Russia were helping Iran avoid sanctions? So basically you want me to believe that Iran was evading sanctions placed on them because they were trying to develop nukes , and the U.S. and 5 other world powers said ok we will lift sanctions if you agree to not develope nukes and Iran said ok? Why would they say ok instead of continuing to develop nukes even under sanctions like North Korea, clearly they weren't feeling the sanctions since China and Russia were helping them right ? With the sanctions being useless as you make them sound , that would mean Iran had all the leverage and could have gone ahead with it's nuclear program but that's not what happened.

The Iran Nuclear Deal was a show of good will towards Iran from Obama because he wanted to change the status quo. After America interfered with Iranian Democratic Elections in 1953 the Iranians have hated us ever since. They hated living under the American backed shah and saw him and his oppression as America's doing. Since their 1979 revolution they have been changing death to America in the streets of Tehran every year. The Iran Sanctions of 2012 crippled their economy , and they were a people already having animosity towards America. Barack Obama and the other 5 world powers wanted a reset on relations with Iran, not to play the same games they've been playing since 1979, that's why they implemented the Iranian Nuclear Deal NOT because of China and Russia.

Should Iran violate any aspect of the deal, the UN sanctions will automatically "snap back" into place for 10 years, with the possibility of a five-year extension.

That's a stipulation of the Iran Nuclear Deal. That doesn't sound like something Iran would agree to if sanctions were already having no effect. If you want to see Russia and China helping someone evade sanctions look at North Korea.

For your information Iran and Russia were both sanctioned for different reasons in the past couple of years. Russia has been sanctioned for Crimea Annexation, for election meddling , and for human rights abuses mainly the Magnitsky Act which is taking the world by storm and targets Putin's oligarchs. Trump has yet to enforce most Russian sanctions because he's a puppet, but tbe next President and new Congress will be looking to punish Russia severely for 2016 election hacking. Already Russia is being kicked out if Olympics and other world tournaments , just wait until their puppet trump is kicked out and some real punishment can be handed out. If we can sanction Russia directly we don't give a fuck if they helped Iran Evade sanctions. That's not why the nuclear deal came about .

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Re: Turkey Exposed For Aiding Iran During Sanctions

Postby FAH1223 » Mon Jan 29, 2018 5:37 pm


This isn't old news since the guy was just convicted in court on January 3rd. Yesterday we got details from the case showing the depth so I posted here.

Also you claim India , South Korea, and UAE were bypassing Iran Sanctions and I can't find a single article that backs that up. The sanctions were are speaking of took effect in February of 2012. That's when Turkey began helping Iran. India was a partner of Iran and use to buy their oil , but complied with the Sanctions on Iran by decreasing oil purchases by over 22% from the year before , in the first year of implementation.

On India I found this : "Quite the opposite; in fact, India was one of a handful of countries that received a waiver under U.S. sanctions law. It simply has to show a "significant reduction" in Iranian oil imports in order to be in compliance with the sanctions regime, a subjective standard with no set numeric value."

I can't say India was helping Iran Evade Sanctions. Sanctions are sanctions , but it doesn't mean nobody can trade with a sanctioned country. It means there will be rules and regulations in place for anyone who does want to.

South Korea and Iran were strong trade partners until the latest sanctions of 2012 , on SK's attitude towards Iran Sanctions I found this : " However, bilateral trade in recent years has been affected by international sanctions on Iran and Seoul’s political decision to limit its economic and energy trade with Iran. Between 2008 and 2009 Korean imports from Iran plummeted 30.1 percent, while Korean exports to Iran fell 8.1 percent.[3] In 2012 Korean imports from Iran decreased by 24.8 percent from the previous year.[4] Korean import of Iranian crude oil fell from 10 percent in 2011 to five percent in 2013 after it stopped importing Iranian oil for two months in 2012 under U.S.-led sanctions.[5] After receiving a temporary waiver by the United States, South Korea continued to import Iranian oil, but at lower levels than before sanctions."

Moving on , I also don't think UAE helped Iran Evade Sanctions at all, but I gave you the benefit of doubt and research it and found this :

"US blacklists UAE firm for evading Iran oil sanctions: The Treasury Department said on Thursday it blacklisted Sambouk Shipping FZC, a United Arab Emirates based company it says is tied to Dimitris Cambis, a Greek businessman the department recently sanctioned."


And also

" A UAE court sentenced an Iranian to 10 years in prison on Wednesday, for attempting to ship a generator to his home country in breach of international sanctions.
An Iranian was sentenced to 10 years in a UAE prison, followed by deportation, for attempting to send a generator to his home country on Wednesday, a move deemed to be in breach of international sanctions against the Islamic Republic"


That's two articles where both the U.S. and UAE gov take action against private non-government people in UAE for helping Iran Evade Sanctions . I can't find a single article where the UAE gov actively helped Iran Evade Sanctions. Likewise in the case of India and South Korea they were 2 of Iran's biggest trading partners before sanctions. Everything I read online said they complied when sanctions took effect and then received waiver from U.S. to continue a certain level of trade with Iran that would be higher than what was allowed under normal sanctions.

If you can please site a source or link one that backs up any of your claims it would be appreciated.
"Why do you think Obama and Kerry were so eager to get the Nuclear Deal done? It was because these type of transactions were also being done by China and Russia. The stability of the US dollar as the global reserve currency was at threat long term due to these practices."

Huh? How does this make sense ? They did the Iran Nuclear Deal because China and Russia were helping Iran avoid sanctions? So basically you want me to believe that Iran was evading sanctions placed on them because they were trying to develop nukes , and the U.S. and 5 other world powers said ok we will lift sanctions if you agree to not develope nukes and Iran said ok? Why would they say ok instead of continuing to develop nukes even under sanctions like North Korea, clearly they weren't feeling the sanctions since China and Russia were helping them right ? With the sanctions being useless as you make them sound , that would mean Iran had all the leverage and could have gone ahead with it's nuclear program but that's not what happened.

The Iran Nuclear Deal was a show of good will towards Iran from Obama because he wanted to change the status quo. After America interfered with Iranian Democratic Elections in 1953 the Iranians have hated us ever since. They hated living under the American backed shah and saw him and his oppression as America's doing. Since their 1979 revolution they have been changing death to America in the streets of Tehran every year. The Iran Sanctions of 2012 crippled their economy , and they were a people already having animosity towards America. Barack Obama and the other 5 world powers wanted a reset on relations with Iran, not to play the same games they've been playing since 1979, that's why they implemented the Iranian Nuclear Deal NOT because of China and Russia.

Should Iran violate any aspect of the deal, the UN sanctions will automatically "snap back" into place for 10 years, with the possibility of a five-year extension.

That's a stipulation of the Iran Nuclear Deal. That doesn't sound like something Iran would agree to if sanctions were already having no effect. If you want to see Russia and China helping someone evade sanctions look at North Korea.

For your information Iran and Russia were both sanctioned for different reasons in the past couple of years. Russia has been sanctioned for Crimea Annexation, for election meddling , and for human rights abuses mainly the Magnitsky Act which is taking the world by storm and targets Putin's oligarchs. Trump has yet to enforce most Russian sanctions because he's a puppet, but tbe next President and new Congress will be looking to punish Russia severely for 2016 election hacking. Already Russia is being kicked out if Olympics and other world tournaments , just wait until their puppet trump is kicked out and some real punishment can be handed out. If we can sanction Russia directly we don't give a fuck if they helped Iran Evade sanctions. That's not why the nuclear deal came about .
It’s old news bro. Those countries were bypassing the sanctions.

India, South Korea, Turkey, China using mutual currencies and gold for trade to bypass sanctions

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/busine ... ction.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/turkey-an ... ons-scheme

Even after the sanctions lifted

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-indi ... SKBN16T0PE

And no, the nuclear deal was because of the dollar. The US government may have approved some of India's transactions, but it was not good for dollar hegemony. Even John Kerry admitted it.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran ... V020150811

Gurey25 was living in the UAE when he posted about the sanctions busting there too


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