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Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Futurist » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:25 pm

To say that Somaliland was a colony is offensive. As far as Somaliland is concerned, it's not historically accurate.

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Somalia Italiana was a full blown colony with upto 60,000 white Italians settlers. Somaliland was not a colony, it was only a protectorate of Great Britain, with whom it had legal agreements. It only became such because the community leaders had signed treaties with the Brits. The definition of a treaty is "a formally concluded and ratified agreement between states" Here is an example.

The primary concern of the British with regards to Somaliland was only ever to deny their European competitors a foothold in that very strategic part of Africa. There is also another reason Somaliland wasn’t a colony as say Kenya or Somalia Italiana were, Somaliland is and was not particularly suitable for commercial scale agriculture and there were no other natural resources as such. Somaliland also did not have large urban population whom the Brits could tax or govern because the population, beyond the port of Berbera and the towns in the hinterland, was largely nomadic. Because by this time >90% of Africa had already been colonised, the community leaders agreed to this arrangement in return for protection to ensure that they could keep out other European and foreign powers from their country.It was also a way to secure the Berbera-Adan livestock trade as Britain was in control of Adan. It was a strategic security and business decision to 'secure the bag' to 'secure the coin'.


This meant that Brits only ever had a very small presence in Somaliland, often not extending beyond the port town of Berbera and a few other towns. This was in accordance with the nominal protectorate status of Somaliland. For the most part, the locals were free to and did indeed rule themselves. They nomads carried on with their lives. The business people in the port towns continued trading. At no point did the Somali inhabitants see the Brits as “their masters”. Somalis are known for their independence and strict adherence to their culture and religion. The British left no trial or evidence of their presence in Somaliland, because they were hardly present at all.

Above I mentioned there were treaties that the community leaders and elders signed with the Brits. Those treaties defined very clearly, unequivocally and explicitly the nature and extent of the relationship between Great Britain and Somaliland. The Brits could not: claim Somaliland as a colony, or claim proprietorship or sovereignty over the land, except to the minimal and nominal extent allowed by the treaties, which was face-value and for strategic security reasons only. They could not legally marry the locals, build any churches or propagate their religion openly or distribute bibles. They could not bury their dead except in one specified graveyard in the town of Hargeisa, but even there they could only bury their Muslim employees from Yemen and India. They could not bear children in the country. They could not construct buildings or plant flora except in those towns specified in the treaties. Somalilanders even went around uprooting any trees planted by the British in Hargeisa and Berbera because this violated the treaties.

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This meant that Brits only ever had a very small presence in Somaliland, often not extending beyond the port town of Berbera and a few other towns. This was in accordance with the nominal protectorate status of Somaliland. For the most part, the locals were free to and did indeed rule themselves. They nomads carried on with their lives. The business people in the port towns continued trading. At no point did the Somali inhabitants see the Brits as “their masters”. Somalis are known for their independence and strict adherence to their culture and religion. The British left no trial or evidence of their presence in Somaliland, because they were hardly present at all.

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Futurist » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:31 pm

Above I mentioned there were treaties that the community leaders and elders signed with the Brits. Those treaties defined very clearly, unequivocally and explicitly the nature and extent of the relationship between Great Britain and Somaliland. The Brits could not: claim Somaliland as a colony, or claim proprietorship or sovereignty over the land, except to the minimal and nominal extent allowed by the treaties, which was face-value and for strategic security reasons only. They could not legally marry the locals, build any churches or propagate their religion openly or distribute bibles. They could not bury their dead except in one specified graveyard in the town of Hargeisa, but even there they could only bury their Muslim employees from Yemen and India. They could not bear children in the country. They could not construct buildings or plant flora except in those towns specified in the treaties. Somalilanders even went around uprooting any trees planted by the British in Hargeisa and Berbera because this violated the treaties.

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Berbera mosque in 1889

And the Brits had good reason to agree to the above terms because Somalis fought one of the, longest running and bloodiest colonial resistance wars in the history of Africa. Somalis fought invading forces during the late 1800’s to the early 1900’s. Somalis had previously fought and successfully repelled Portuguese expeditions throughout the 16th century and liberated various other African peoples in South-Eastern Africa (in places like Kilwa). In these later times, the Somali states, and particularly the ex-Somaliland Dervish State, which was mainly led by Harti and Isaaq reer wayooqi concurrently fought and successfully repelled continues and co-ordinated attacks by invading British, Italian and Abyssinian forces for a period of 25 years or quarter of a century.

By 1920 when >90% of Africa was colonised, Somalis (the ex-Somaliland Dervish state) maintained their independence and were indeed the only independent Muslim power on the African continent during WW1. In total 4 British expeditions/attempts to militarily conquer the northern part of the Somali Peninsula were repelled and ended in failure. In this war Corfield, the man leading the British expeditions to the Somali coast was killed as the British and other invading forces were repelled. Concurrently Abyssinian (Ethiopian) expeditions/invasions into Somali lands were on-going, which were as part of a conspired joints concerted effort with the British. One of these expeditions consisted of an army of 11,000 Abyssinian troops – they were soundly defeated, with only 200 soldiers returning alive and the Abyssinians subsequently refrained from further expeditions into the interior of Somalia.


When the British could not over-run the local Ex-Somaliland Somali Dervish State they did two things. First they signed treaties with the locals which resulted in what prospectively was known as The British Somaliland Protectorate. Second the Brits used aerial bombardment in 1920 to win the war decisively and defeat the resistance. The Northern Somali Peninsula became the first place in sub-saharan Africa and the second place in Continent of Africa where aircraft was used in warfare.

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Typhoon » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:41 pm

study the berlin conference then make a post

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Futurist » Sun Apr 29, 2018 4:58 pm

It is interesting to look back and analyse the evidence. I am talking about the big picture, the overall, the system in each region. Can you see how light the British presence in Somaliland Protectorate was? Now compare that with that with Somalia Italian Colony with 270,000 Italian Colonial settlers and soldiers
In 1935, there were over 50,000 Italians settlers living in Italian Somaliland, constituting 5% of the territory's population.[39][55][56] Of those, 20,000 resided in Mogadishu (Mogadiscio), representing around 40% of the city's 50,000 residents.[55][57][58] Mogadishu was an administrative capital of Italian East Africa, and new buildings were erected in the Italian architectural tradition. Other Italian settler communities were concentrated in Jowhar, Adale (Itala),Janale, Jamame, and Kismayo.[59] These figures do not include the more than 220,000 Italian soldiers stationedthroughout Italian Somaliland during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War.[60]

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Adali » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:27 pm

It is interesting to look back and analyse the evidence. I am talking about the big picture, the overall, the system in each region. Can you see how light the British presence in Somaliland Protectorate was? Now compare that with that with Somalia Italian Colony with 270,000 Italian Colonial settlers and soldiers
In 1935, there were over 50,000 Italians settlers living in Italian Somaliland, constituting 5% of the territory's population.[39][55][56] Of those, 20,000 resided in Mogadishu (Mogadiscio), representing around 40% of the city's 50,000 residents.[55][57][58] Mogadishu was an administrative capital of Italian East Africa, and new buildings were erected in the Italian architectural tradition. Other Italian settler communities were concentrated in Jowhar, Adale (Itala),Janale, Jamame, and Kismayo.[59] These figures do not include the more than 220,000 Italian soldiers stationedthroughout Italian Somaliland during the Second Italo-Ethiopian War.[60]
I can agree with that, the Italians definitely made huge impact on the south, but we reversed that in the Kacaan days, there is virtually no traces of italian influence in the south today. Compare that to other italian colonies like Eritrea, Libya and you will see a stark contrast.

What is your point though, are you coming here bragging that you were not colonized but instead willingly became a protectorate ? that is hardly anything to brag about, your mentality is definitely fucked up if you think this is some worthy case to be made, its a shame and stigma your iidoor people carry to this day.

An interesting point to be made doe, some parts of Somalia were never colonized, especially the interior and around Doollo Zone, at most these areas had a few military post during times of war, but by enlarge the people there never paid tax and never became full subjects of Italians, English or Ethiopians, even to this day Liyuu police effectively calls Wardheer border zone, the border between Somalia and Ethiopia is also not internationally agreed upon.

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:36 pm

Walahi he is right not a single English bastard in hargeysa.walahi isaaq can never be colonised when sheikh cabdalle came to hargeysa he tricked the Arabs. But he could not trick isaaq. Odaygi ugu weyna eeh indho laaa said. Salaada makhrib cawa sax maha gaal baa inigu dhex jira.even Richard burton baa isaaq kayaabay. The English protected us from only Italians and the Abyssinians and the French. But the Brits never lived with us. Isaaq is to proud to be colonized managu gaal nagumeysankara impossible. Where as in walanweynistan so many Italian colonial products

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Futurist » Sun Apr 29, 2018 5:38 pm

Walahi he is right not a single English bastard in hargeysa.walahi isaaq can never be colonised when sheikh cabdalle came to hargeysa he tricked the Arabs. But he could not trick isaaq. Odaygi ugu weyna eeh indho laaa said. Salaada makhrib cawa sax maha gaal baa inigu dhex jira.even Richard burton baa isaaq kayaabay. The English protected us from only Italians and the Abyssinians and the French. But the Brits never lived with us. Isaaq is to proud to be colonized managu gaal nagumeysankara impossible. Where as in walanweynistan so many Italian colonial products
Exactly Khaalid. The Isaacs are proud to never be colonized

1. For those who say Somaliland was a colony they are confused. Let's take Kenya for example. They are comparing the Kenyan Colony with Somaliland Protectorate. They say that Somaliland was a colony in the same way as for example Kenya was. The facts don't support their case. In Kenya there is clear, unambiguous, undeniable evidence of colonisation. English Language. English religion (Christianity). English names of cities and towns. English colonial settlers who still live there. English built houses, cities and churches throughout. Kenyans even adopted English names for themselves.

In Somaliland there is little to no evidence of colonisation - because it was never colonised but it did have a legal and business agreement in the form of a Treaty with the British that created the Somaliland Protectorate. The British may as well not have been there at all. Well they were only there with a small nominal presence only.

2. Kenya was called the "Kenyan Colony" explicitly whilst Somaliland was never called "Somaliland colony". This is because

The Colony and Protectorate of Kenya was part of the British Empire in Africa from 1920 until 1963. The Colony of Kenya It was established when the former East Africa Protectorate was transformed into a British Crown colony in 1920.


3. The original treaties between Somaliland clans and Britain that established Somaliland protectorate were only abolished by another treaty between Somaliland Government and the UK:

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby original dervish » Sun Apr 29, 2018 6:11 pm

This right here is cooning down through the generations......iidoor worship British.
All the churches in northern Somalia were built in iidoor territory.....some are still standing. :)

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Apr 29, 2018 7:31 pm

Darood Is funny walahi William mataqana he is qurjile he was Christian he was baptized in saint Anthony high school. He is naaleye axmed like you reer djibouti. Why is there no church today. Why did a put the shahaada on our flag. Why did iidoor the best jihadist the world and the horn has ever seen aniir godane Ibrahim afghani. Qurjile were Sayid siigeyste sexual toys. Wuu idinku seydhin jiray. Gabaygi muxu aha gabaygi gacaladeedi bay u guuxaysa.. Sayid siigeyste stoned so many qurjile to death and this was a woman markasu ka dul gabye

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Adali » Sun Apr 29, 2018 8:11 pm

This right here is cooning down through the generations......iidoor worship British.
All the churches in northern Somalia were built in iidoor territory.....some are still standing. :)
Walahi they make no sense at all, they proud to not be colonized by making a deal with the colonizer to become his subject and fight for him throughout East Africa, they even fought in Gedo, bal maxaa keenay Gedo ? these people have nothing to be proud of if this is what pride means for them.

I honour my ancestors and my roots, the only time we worked with foreigners was against other foreigners, turning gaal against gaal.

Lets establish a few things, these people claim they are not even native to the land, When the british came these people were not living in Hargaysa, they were in Berbera mostly, a little British outpost, from there they expanded to the interior using British weapons, lets talk about reality, these people are not even native, they managed to adopt our language and culture, just like the Galla hyprids in Wajaale and Gabiley are doing.

The true natives had one thing in common, they fought against the invaders, even if they lost, they attempted to defend their homeland until they were overpowered and colonized.

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby balwarama » Sun Apr 29, 2018 10:47 pm

The so called British Somaliland was under the ministry of colonies like all the other British colonies through out the world!

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby Khalid Ali » Sun Apr 29, 2018 11:44 pm

The British era in Somaliland were the best years. Salami we signed treaty with the Brita in 1827. We have killed the first ever white man in Somali soil. Luiteinant stroyan. Before the Brits there were turks. . Isaaq are gods choosen people Allah is always on their side. Sayid siigeyste lost. Allah does never give guusha to darod. It has always been like that. Isaaq was doing bussiness as far as India in the 18 century and in aden.
We saw the English were a world empire we thought we are not colonized but have heshiish with them. And it works on our side.

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby BigBreak » Mon Apr 30, 2018 6:42 am

The time before 1st July 1960 and the time from 18th May 1991 onwards were much better in Somaliland than during the evil defunct union between the two dates I mentioned

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby original dervish » Mon Apr 30, 2018 9:07 am

Look at the gaal loving coons......if we didn't wage jihad they'd all be Christians today. :som: :up:

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Re: Republic of Somaliland was never colonised

Postby skywalker25 » Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:53 am

Look at the gaal loving coons......if we didn't wage jihad they'd all be Christians today. :som: :up:
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How a starving Marvin naked Dhulbahnte savage from the badlands of Sool, would be in any position to save anyone is beyond me.

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