Somalis need to come to an agreement

[Adali]

We need to establish ourselves in this competitive world and open up to our fellow muslims especially in Africa, be they the Muslims in Congo, our the Sahel belt, be they our cushetic brothers who are muslim or the Swahili coast.

Before we can open up we need to agree on who is Somali, we need to deal with the clan issue and put it in our back pocket and modernize, I will never be against clans like Siyaad Barre aun was, but I see a need for modernization and establishing an order and work with clans.

For us to grow, we need to accept our role, we will undoubtably end up as the biggest middle man to the african market, we already have the largest trade traffic on our coast line, but developing nations such as China, Iran, Russia, Pakistan and India are looking to africa, we need to take advantage of this, we have a wealth of human capital suitable to deal with this on the bases on language skills, culture skills, and trade.

But with this kind of openness we will have many immigrants, so we need to come to an agreement on who is Somali, is a Barwani Somali, is a Sacad Muse Somali, we need to establish a unified dhaqan, the Kacaan did a good job in standardizing the Somali language, but we need to increase this effort.

Inshallah I hope Somalis put clan in their back pocket, an old relic they can admire, but not abuse for short term gains, lets grow together, we can take over the trade and make Berbera the new Jabel Ali on our peninsula.

[Khalid Ali]

Somalis have conflicting interest economic conflicting interest historic disputes ancestral conflict land disputes. Political conflict religiouse sectarian divide some are salafist some are sufis. Some are wahaabi some are sixiroolayaal. We isaaq are called Somali did by darood because we refuse to share or aknclowdge darood as Somalis. Darood is virus with in somali. And it's need to be eradicated wa toxic if you speak Somali and you are Muslim suni follower of imam shafici than you are somali. Thats how you define a somali. Somali is just a language it can't keep Somali tribes together. A language can't keep a big ethnic group as somali together.

[dhusomacaan]

We need to establish ourselves in this competitive world and open up to our fellow muslims especially in Africa, be they the Muslims in Congo, our the Sahel belt, be they our cushetic brothers who are muslim or the Swahili coast.

Before we can open up we need to agree on who is Somali, we need to deal with the clan issue and put it in our back pocket and modernize, I will never be against clans like Siyaad Barre aun was, but I see a need for modernization and establishing an order and work with clans.

For us to grow, we need to accept our role, we will undoubtably end up as the biggest middle man to the african market, we already have the largest trade traffic on our coast line, but developing nations such as China, Iran, Russia, Pakistan and India are looking to africa, we need to take advantage of this, we have a wealth of human capital suitable to deal with this on the bases on language skills, culture skills, and trade.

But with this kind of openness we will have many immigrants, so we need to come to an agreement on who is Somali, is a Barwani Somali, is a Sacad Muse Somali, we need to establish a unified dhaqan, the Kacaan did a good job in standardizing the Somali language, but we need to increase this effort.

Inshallah I hope Somalis put clan in their back pocket, an old relic they can admire, but not abuse for short term gains, lets grow together, we can take over the trade and make Berbera the new Jabel Ali on our peninsula.

As far as I see it, its useless. The basis of a country is two major things that we are lacking.

1 its inhabitants seeing each other as one of the same and working towards one goal and government, together. Ive met and seen diaspora degree educated Somalis who have this tribe mentality... so I doubt this will ever change. The tribal mentality is too ingrained into Somali society... its next to impossible to reverse such mentality.

2 is leadership, as they say a leader is someone who is accepted by the people and not the other way around. We have multiple leaders in a single country this further reinstates point 1.

Imo it's best if the country splits into multiple ones with a major tribe ruling class like Somaliland. What happens to minority tribes? Perhaps they can join each other and own a piece of land and before you say anything i am southern darood...

[Adali]

Somalis have conflicting interest economic conflicting interest historic disputes ancestral conflict land disputes. Political conflict religiouse sectarian divide some are salafist some are sufis. Some are wahaabi some are sixiroolayaal. We isaaq are called Somali did by darood because we refuse to share or aknclowdge darood as Somalis. Darood is virus with in somali. And it's need to be eradicated wa toxic if you speak Somali and you are Muslim suni follower of imam shafici than you are somali. Thats how you define a somali. Somali is just a language it can't keep Somali tribes together. A language can't keep a big ethnic group as somali together.

Hello Galla slave master, I am going to call you Mowla Khalid Ali from now on, or maybe you are the hybrid son of a slave and should be called cabd al Sacsac Muse ?

Somali language is definitely a huge pillar in Somali identity, even though we have many hybrids, but we need to define specific clans to be true Somalis, otherwise every decade we will have new arrivals claiming to be Somali, be they Kiykuyu, Yemeni etc, we cannot accept this.

Imam Shafici is followed by many, but yes I agree we Somalis are followers of Quran, Sunnah and Salaf.

[original dervish]

One thing is undoubted....Somali's are stronger together than apart.
The last 30 years clearly demonstrates that fragmentation doesn't work.

[BigBreak]

imagine if dhofar ismail never existed..........the entire somali peninsula divided into five colonial parts would today be a single, thriving nation-state that would be more of a monoethnic mini empire far more developed and progressive than the rest of the entire third world not only africa

[original dervish]

That is still possible.....except for the non existent Darood part.
Everything is in the hands of Somali's.....whether they want anarchy or prosperity.

[farxantdv]

I agree but i think the north need time to heal

[Adali]

imagine if dhofar ismail never existed..........the entire somali peninsula divided into five colonial parts would today be a single, thriving nation-state that would be more of a monoethnic mini empire far more developed and progressive than the rest of the entire third world not only africa

bigbreak Habar Jeclo are Arabs and Habesha mix, you lot say this yourself I am not making it up, Habar Xabuushed are spawns of a Habasha woman and Arab senile man, this is your belief not mine.

How are you even Somali, you're just a citizen of our nation nothing more nothing less, don't claim Somali ethnicity again in my presence bro.

[mahoka]

Somalis have conflicting interest economic conflicting interest historic disputes ancestral conflict land disputes. Political conflict religiouse sectarian divide some are salafist some are sufis. Some are wahaabi some are sixiroolayaal. We isaaq are called Somali did by darood because we refuse to share or aknclowdge darood as Somalis. Darood is virus with in somali. And it's need to be eradicated wa toxic if you speak Somali and you are Muslim suni follower of imam shafici than you are somali. Thats how you define a somali. Somali is just a language it can't keep Somali tribes together. A language can't keep a big ethnic group as somali together.

Hello Galla slave master, I am going to call you Mowla Khalid Ali from now on, or maybe you are the hybrid son of a slave and should be called cabd al Sacsac Muse ?

Somali language is definitely a huge pillar in Somali identity, even though we have many hybrids, but we need to define specific clans to be true Somalis, otherwise every decade we will have new arrivals claiming to be Somali, be they Kiykuyu, Yemeni etc, we cannot accept this.

Imam Shafici is followed by many, but yes I agree we Somalis are followers of Quran, Sunnah and Salaf.

Isn’t it funny how a hunter gatherer who eats dead animals and hyenas can call anyone Galla lol, don’t you guys worship the oromo god waaq? That’s why your towns and tribes are named after them (caabudwaaq, jidwaaq- kkkk doofar are true waaq followers)

[Khalid Ali]

Sadaat people are ethnically socially tradionally historically different than walanweyn warrawarwarood and faqash. We are sha3bi ishaaq. Somali alone mean a nothing to us because somali darood baa ku jira jabartis khadams. Who are related to gallas . Somaliland is unique we had different colonial rule prior to the English different sultanates . We share nothing.

[formidable]

khalid

Why do you refuse Daroods as Somali?

[Adali]

Sadaat people are ethnically socially tradionally historically different than walanweyn warrawarwarood and faqash. We are sha3bi ishaaq. Somali alone mean a nothing to us because somali darood baa ku jira jabartis khadams. Who are related to gallas . Somaliland is unique we had different colonial rule prior to the English different sultanates . We share nothing.

True you have no ethnic pride because you are not Somali, and you don't look like your mythical arab ancestors, you do not share religion with your habesha mothers, and you are stuck in ruthless Somali society who are begining to hate you again, remember when you arrested Dabcasar, the uproar ? Somalis hate you. Dabcasar did you a favour by telling everyone it was just biixi. dumb ass iidoor.

reality is we are stuck with iidoor whether we like them or not, they are citizens like Barwanis, Jareers, Cadcads, but not ethnically Somali, because if they are ethnically Somali why isn't a Oromo or Canfar who lives in Somalia considered ethnically Somali ?

[Khalid Ali]

Isaaq said 40 years ago somali darood kujiro maihey ba dhaanta isku somaali manihin. You keep your cadcads yareers we declared independence in 1991. We want nothing to do with jabarti alkhadam childeren of goita faqashims. Walanweyns warawarood. We don't care if you hate or love us it means nothing to us. You think a care qiiro somali weynaga dhanaatay been there dine that saaxib in 1960.

[Typhoon]

jaarso and arsi are more somali then 40 percent of current somali including large section of isaaq, tuni and dabre.

adali somalinimadu wa xeer, isse somali ku xeer maha, what does that tell you
language doesnt mean shit and xeer somali is separate from sharia, Diinta wa lga bixi kara lakin xeerka lagama bixi karo, wa maahmaah somaliyeed.

there are preferial clans and core somalis, somalida dhaladka ah wa kuwa saldanaha soo jiraynka laha, if a saldanad is after 1750 wa iska fake
garaadnimo, iyo suldanimo maha saldanaha somali so jireenka ah

abgaal and marexaan how the longest and most respected saldanado
the two most important titles of somalis are ugaas and imam
garaad is like a duke
boqor somalis never used except in few times when large clans were united either under a boqortoyo are imaamship.

druring the creation of 4.5 there was big dispute a lot of clans wanted to claim saldanado been been ah for example isaaq have 1 saldanad and that is ciedagale and warsangeli have garaadship and and dhulbahante came under garaadship of harti
ogadeen have garaadship but absame have ugaaship

habar gedir do not have saldanad, cayr ugaas is recent invention, sacad is the only somali clan who doesnt have oday daqmeed(check it)

murursade imama is illegitimate they copied from abgaal, no murusade imam can go past 1800 with a title of imam.

xawadle ugaas is recent it was created in late 1800 or around 1900.

historically dir could not have a saldanad because daarood ba taliya, thats why its called dir iyo daarood.
or in the south it used to be aji iyo ajuraan, meaning ajuraan ba taliya and aji(all somalis were under their rule)

in the next 50 years you will see alot of ethnic somalis migrating to jubaland for reason i can not state