Hawiyah's position in Somaliland and Puntland Wars

[Valiant]

This is a war between Somaliland (Beelaha Isaaq) and Puntland (Beelaha Daarood); I am intrigued in Hawiyahs position in this war.

Should we stay away from this conflict as it has nothing to do with us or should we controversially ally ourself with Puntland or the Somaliland?

We actually have interests in the north, many of our clan founders are buried in the north and our fiqishini cayr cousins are roaming in Sool and Sanaag and we are concerned for their safety.

This question is to addressed to the beelaha hawiyeed please come forth.

[ZubeirAwal]

Beesha hawiye have our respect so long as they focus their efforts on their eternal foes the darod.

[caadani90]

I say make it more interesting. Join Puntland and actually make this a fight.

[Valiant]

Beesha hawiye have our respect so long as they focus their efforts on their eternal foes the darod.

We believe Isaaq are Dir.
In fact they hail from a sub clan of Dir called Mahe (Maxamed Hiniftire) and so are Irir Samaale meaning we are related as we are with beelaha Direed. We're not related with Daarood and we have disputes with Puntland and Mudug but that does not mean we should blindly attack faqash just because you are in war with them. We have to think of our own interests.

[theyuusuf143]

Look we are not fighting against daarod. We are fighting against puntland. We have more daarod troops in our side than MJS . The MJS are desperately trying to gain daarod support militarily but that will never happen, Geopolitically. Ogaden have nothing todo with this. The marehans are busy with nabar iyo naxdin, and the dhuloos are 90% with us militarily.


Only habar gidir have something to do with this for three reasons. And may be xawaadle.

1. Habar gidir have stake in somaliland (fiqishini)
2. They are historically an isaaq allies .
3. And finally they are involved similar territorial dispute with puntland

For those reasons we can play "laba aabudh" game with puntland. When ever we beat them in garowe you can start provoking them in galkacyo. Your enemies enemy is your friend.

[ZubeirAwal]

Beesha hawiye have our respect so long as they focus their efforts on their eternal foes the darod.

We believe Isaaq are Dir.
In fact they hail from a sub clan of Dir called Mahe (Maxamed Hiniftire) and so are Irir Samaale meaning we are related as we are with beelaha Direed. We're not related with Daarood and we have disputes with Puntland and Mudug but that does not mean we should blindly attack faqash just because you are in war with them. We have to think of our own interests.

Sxbow that's a myth we allied with dir in the 60s in a political sense, before that we had distinguished status we are not dir, we are the sons of Sheekh isxaaaq.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

We give beesha Isaaq moral support as they are more than capable of destroying the children of SAhal.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Waxaa taageersanahay Bunaaaniland. sababtooo ah
QALDAAMIINTA 27 SANO habaaar ayey Xamar la daba taagnaayeen. Qaldaan waliba afkiisa uraya markuuu kala taago waxaa ka soo baxaya habaar iyo nacayb u qabaaan XAMAR..
Bunaaniland waa inay karbaashaan Mooryaanta Somaliland...
GUUUL BUNAANILAND..

[Django]

Beesha hawiye have our respect so long as they focus their efforts on their eternal foes the darod.

We believe Isaaq are Dir.
In fact they hail from a sub clan of Dir called Mahe (Maxamed Hiniftire) and so are Irir Samaale meaning we are related as we are with beelaha Direed. We're not related with Daarood and we have disputes with Puntland and Mudug but that does not mean we should blindly attack faqash just because you are in war with them. We have to think of our own interests.

Good how come you havent agreed on Lower Shabelle?

[AwRastaale]

SL knows how to karbaash Darood. It doesn’t need any allies.

Hawiye concern should be liberating themselves from AMISOM, retaking Villa Somalia and organising a proper federal state. Right now they have two jokes; Galmudug and Hirshabeele.

[Valiant]

Agree with your points Suldaan Yuusuf.

This whole "war" is really dominance over the volatile and highly contested Sool and Sanaag regions (both sides lay claim the region); whichever side secures Sool and Sanaag wins the war.

Somaliland knows that in its quests for statehood, it must try and secure back its former British Somaliland borders, from the south to the north to west to the east and its the east especially where SL finds it challenging to secure and subdue as it is a region shared by a number of clans. What further complicates the region is the support is Puntlands growing influence and the fact that it clearly not an exclusive isaaq region.



The BBC till today labels the region as "disputed" which plays in to the hands of Puntland. Puntland (MJ) have no real business to the region but lays claim to Sool and Sanaag through hartinimo and daaroodnimo and PL's strategy is to assimilate the hartis into its state.
The Dhulbahante,Warsangeli, Fiqishi and Isaaq are key players in this region and key swing clans in the region and their support is important to settle this territorial dispute.

[KingWaslawi]

Agree with your points Suldaan Yuusuf.

This whole "war" is really dominance over the volatile and highly contested Sool and Sanaag regions (both sides lay claim the region); whichever side secures Sool and Sanaag wins the war.

Somaliland knows that in its quests for statehood, it must try and secure back its former British Somaliland borders, from the south to the north to west to the east and its the east especially where SL finds it challenging to secure and subdue as it is a region shared by a number of clans. What further complicates the region is the support is Puntlands growing influence and the fact that it clearly not an exclusive isaaq region.



The BBC till today labels the region as "disputed" which plays in to the hands of Puntland. Puntland (MJ) have no real business to the region but lays claim to Sool and Sanaag through hartinimo and daaroodnimo and PL's strategy is to assimilate the hartis into its state.
The Dhulbahante,Warsangeli, Fiqishi and Isaaq are key players in this region and key swing clans in the region and their support is important to settle this territorial dispute.

We are fighting outskirts of Garowe and you are bringing this fake map.

The fact is, All these towns is under the Somaliland commands, which are all few kms from, Garowe all the way to Qardho
-Taleex
-Boocame
-Tukaraq
-Godqaboobe 'This is where the fight is on going right now.

[Nomand]

this war is basically Majerteen\dhulbahante vs whole of isaaq plus some sell-outs dhulbahante. And Puntand is holding its own, now imagine if Ogadeen and Marehan joined this war. the whole thing would end in 30 minutes blitzgriek style.

[KingWaslawi]

this war is basically Majerteen\dhulbahante vs whole of isaaq plus some sell-outs dhulbahante. And Puntand is holding its own, now imagine if Ogadeen and Marehan joined this war. the whole thing would end in 30 minutes blitzgriek style.

We captured POWs that came from all the way from Jubland and Caabudwaaq, there's OGs, MXs, Daarood cidi kama hadhin.

[Valiant]

Agree with your points Suldaan Yuusuf.

This whole "war" is really dominance over the volatile and highly contested Sool and Sanaag regions (both sides lay claim the region); whichever side secures Sool and Sanaag wins the war.

Somaliland knows that in its quests for statehood, it must try and secure back its former British Somaliland borders, from the south to the north to west to the east and its the east especially where SL finds it challenging to secure and subdue as it is a region shared by a number of clans. What further complicates the region is the support is Puntlands growing influence and the fact that it clearly not an exclusive isaaq region.



The BBC till today labels the region as "disputed" which plays in to the hands of Puntland. Puntland (MJ) have no real business to the region but lays claim to Sool and Sanaag through hartinimo and daaroodnimo and PL's strategy is to assimilate the hartis into its state.
The Dhulbahante,Warsangeli, Fiqishi and Isaaq are key players in this region and key swing clans in the region and their support is important to settle this territorial dispute.

We are fighting outskirts of Garowe and you are bringing this fake map.

The fact is, All these towns is under the Somaliland commands, which are all few kms from, Garowe all the way to Qardho
-Taleex
-Boocame
-Tukaraq
-Godqaboobe 'This is where the fight is on going right now.

Agree with your points Suldaan Yuusuf.

This whole "war" is really dominance over the volatile and highly contested Sool and Sanaag regions (both sides lay claim the region); whichever side secures Sool and Sanaag wins the war.

Somaliland knows that in its quests for statehood, it must try and secure back its former British Somaliland borders, from the south to the north to west to the east and its the east especially where SL finds it challenging to secure and subdue as it is a region shared by a number of clans. What further complicates the region is the support is Puntlands growing influence and the fact that it clearly not an exclusive isaaq region.



The BBC till today labels the region as "disputed" which plays in to the hands of Puntland. Puntland (MJ) have no real business to the region but lays claim to Sool and Sanaag through hartinimo and daaroodnimo and PL's strategy is to assimilate the hartis into its state.
The Dhulbahante,Warsangeli, Fiqishi and Isaaq are key players in this region and key swing clans in the region and their support is important to settle this territorial dispute.

We are fighting outskirts of Garowe and you are bringing this fake map.

The fact is, All these towns is under the Somaliland commands, which are all few kms from, Garowe all the way to Qardho
-Taleex
-Boocame
-Tukaraq
-Godqaboobe 'This is where the fight is on going right now.

Are SL planning to capture Garowe or are they halting their advances?