Archives: Somalia’s literacy campaign

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The literacy campaign was aggressive and swift and fruitful which was what we needed. Hate MSB AUN or love him he is cemented in Somali history with a large number of Somalis outside clan who miss him and is a ruler who managed to keep zoomalis on tabs for good amount of time.

[AwRastaale]

There's no need for fadhi ku dirir. Just appreciate the footage and the history of the Somali Nation and once its brightest leader.

He got a lot right. And he messed a lot too.

Even in the north they still writing the Somali that was introduced under bar ama baro. Their books remain the same.

The only addition is wasting $60m on very poor quality colleges from Ethiopia and Kenya.

Not a single literacy campaign has been under taken since the late socialist leader.

What I like about Barre is he was the only Somali politician with ideological politics and his own vision from A-Z.

That's what I respect.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Voltage, your comparison is flawed. Barre came at a time the whole world looked upon the region favourably and were willing to provide ridiculous amounts of financial and military aid to the Somali Republic in the backdrop of the cold war. It was a once-ever opportunity that Barre squandered, like he squandered many other opportunities following his coup. The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on international aid and handouts for its survival. To imagine someone failing that spectacularly, especially given that he came to power at a time when the country was unified, and whilst he had access to unimaginable aid packages just speaks of how incompetent Barre was.

Somaliland has no de jure international recognition like the Somali Republic had so is effectively unable to apply for loans etc, nor does it have access to the level of international aid that Barre had (Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa). Yet despite these crippling conditions managed to rebuild from ground zero after our cities were flattened, and is today the only functioning part of the former Somali Republic. That is much more impressive than a road built by China or a factory donated by the Soviet Union.

You went in. Well done just plain facts.

[Voltage]

Voltage, your comparison is flawed. Barre came at a time the whole world looked upon the region favourably and were willing to provide ridiculous amounts of financial and military aid to the Somali Republic in the backdrop of the cold war. It was a once-ever opportunity that Barre squandered, like he squandered many other opportunities following his coup. The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on international aid and handouts for its survival. To imagine someone failing that spectacularly, especially given that he came to power at a time when the country was unified, and whilst he had access to unimaginable aid packages just speaks of how incompetent Barre was.

Somaliland has no de jure international recognition like the Somali Republic had so is effectively unable to apply for loans etc, nor does it have access to the level of international aid that Barre had (Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa). Yet despite these crippling conditions managed to rebuild from ground zero after our cities were flattened, and is today the only functioning part of the former Somali Republic. That is much more impressive than a road built by China or a factory donated by the Soviet Union.

You went in. Well done just plain facts.

Wallahi you have become embarrassing it is sad. So the achievements in those days is something to look down on because of your dislike for Farmaajo?

Siad Barre could have taken Somalis to the moon and Bendover would criticize that. It's pointless trying to have a conversation with a broken record which is why I would think something more appropriate is telling him to concentrate on his region now and about how to make it better than it was under Barre who left the scene 30 years ago.

My question to you Abkoow (and it is an honest question) is that Somalia did not gain independence in 1972 and nor did the cold war start then, so why weren't any of these things accomplished in the 1960's? Why couldn't they develop any semblance of an economy or build a single road or a single factory or even agree on something simple as choosing a script for the language in the 10 years of "democracy" before Barre?

I have my theories why, but I want to know why you think Somalia couldn't accomplish in 10 years what Barre accomplished in 2.

Hint; Ben tried to put the blame on Barre, but Barre isn't the blame. He wasn't our first or last government. We have 10 years to look at before him and almost 30 after him.Barre wasn't to blame that the Somali people are a nomadic, pastoralist society without any historical tradition for statecraft, were unlettered, or that Somalia was/is such an impoverished country in economic resources. When you answer those questions you will appreciate Barre for what he achieved. Barre achieved what he did IN SPITE OF the unimpressive nature of our people.

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Voltage, your comparison is flawed. Barre came at a time the whole world looked upon the region favourably and were willing to provide ridiculous amounts of financial and military aid to the Somali Republic in the backdrop of the cold war. It was a once-ever opportunity that Barre squandered, like he squandered many other opportunities following his coup. The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on international aid and handouts for its survival. To imagine someone failing that spectacularly, especially given that he came to power at a time when the country was unified, and whilst he had access to unimaginable aid packages just speaks of how incompetent Barre was.

Somaliland has no de jure international recognition like the Somali Republic had so is effectively unable to apply for loans etc, nor does it have access to the level of international aid that Barre had (Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa). Yet despite these crippling conditions managed to rebuild from ground zero after our cities were flattened, and is today the only functioning part of the former Somali Republic. That is much more impressive than a road built by China or a factory donated by the Soviet Union.

You went in. Well done just plain facts.

Wallahi you have become embarrassing it is sad. So the achievements in those days by the Somali people is something to look down on because of your dislike for Farmaajo?

Siad Barre could have taken Somalis to the moon and Bendover would criticize that. It's pointless trying to have a conversation with a broken record which is why I would think something more appropriate is telling him to concentrate on his region now and about how to make it better than it was under Barre.

My question to you Abkoow (and it is an honest question) is that Somalia did not gain independence in 1972 and nor did the cold war start then, so why weren't any of these things accomplished in the 1960's? Why couldn't they develop any semblance of an economy or build a single road or a single factory or even agree on something simple as choosing a script for the language in the 10 years of "democracy" before Barre?

I have my theories why, but I want to know why you think Somalia couldn't accomplish in 10 years what Barre accomplished in 2.

Hint; Ben tried to put the blame on Barre, but Barre isn't the blame. He wasn't our first or last government. We have 10 years to look at before him and almost 30 after him.Barre wasn't to blame that the Somali people are a nomadic, pastoralist society without any historical tradition for statecraft, were unlettered, or that Somalia was/is such an impoverished country in economic resources. When you answer those questions you will appreciate Barre for what he achieved.

The 60s was a messy period. In all honesty I believe some sort of civil war was inevitable I believe the kacaan managed to postpone it and keep zoomali wild animals under lock (temporarily) a major achievement in itself

[Voltage]

The 60s was a messy period. In all honesty I believe some sort of civil war was inevitable I believe the kacaan managed to postpone it and keep zoomali xoolo under lock (temporarily) a major achievement in itself

The 60's were messy, the times before it were messy, and many of the times after it were messy. I laugh when people try to blame Siad Barre because of how shitty and unimpressive our people are in general.

This is a CIA cable on the night of the revolution in October 29, 1969. It could be no different than a report filed in December of 1991.



https://2001-2009.state.gov/documents/o ... /54644.pdf

It is a miracle Siad Barre was even able to force Somalis to achieve what they did and I say that because it was achieved IN SPITE of our collective failure as a nation state or a people and not because of it.

These people didn't even have a national script until 1972, were upwards of 95% illiterate, 85% nomadic herdsmen without any skills, education, training, technocratic workforce with almost zero natural resources in a largely semi-arid drought prone landscape. Yet Barre gave them free education, healthcare, purpose, and pride.

Siad should be condemned because he couldn't turn Somalia into Japan? The Somalia we see even in 2018??

[Ben Dover]

Voltage, your comparison is flawed. Barre came at a time the whole world looked upon the region favourably and were willing to provide ridiculous amounts of financial and military aid to the Somali Republic in the backdrop of the cold war. It was a once-ever opportunity that Barre squandered, like he squandered many other opportunities following his coup. The Somali Republic was a beggar state, completely reliant on international aid and handouts for its survival. To imagine someone failing that spectacularly, especially given that he came to power at a time when the country was unified, and whilst he had access to unimaginable aid packages just speaks of how incompetent Barre was.

Somaliland has no de jure international recognition like the Somali Republic had so is effectively unable to apply for loans etc, nor does it have access to the level of international aid that Barre had (Somali Republic was the largest per head recipient of aid in all of Africa). Yet despite these crippling conditions managed to rebuild from ground zero after our cities were flattened, and is today the only functioning part of the former Somali Republic. That is much more impressive than a road built by China or a factory donated by the Soviet Union.

You went in. Well done just plain facts.

Wallahi you have become embarrassing it is sad. So the achievements in those days is something to look down on because of your dislike for Farmaajo?

Siad Barre could have taken Somalis to the moon and Bendover would criticize that. It's pointless trying to have a conversation with a broken record which is why I would think something more appropriate is telling him to concentrate on his region now and about how to make it better than it was under Barre who left the scene 30 years ago.

My question to you Abkoow (and it is an honest question) is that Somalia did not gain independence in 1972 and nor did the cold war start then, so why weren't any of these things accomplished in the 1960's? Why couldn't they develop any semblance of an economy or build a single road or a single factory or even agree on something simple as choosing a script for the language in the 10 years of "democracy" before Barre?

I have my theories why, but I want to know why you think Somalia couldn't accomplish in 10 years what Barre accomplished in 2.

Hint; Ben tried to put the blame on Barre, but Barre isn't the blame. He wasn't our first or last government. We have 10 years to look at before him and almost 30 after him.Barre wasn't to blame that the Somali people are a nomadic, pastoralist society without any historical tradition for statecraft, were unlettered, or that Somalia was/is such an impoverished country in economic resources. When you answer those questions you will appreciate Barre for what he achieved. Barre achieved what he did IN SPITE OF the unimpressive nature of our people.

If you truly believe Barre was great, or that the Somali Republic under his rule was heaven on earth, then why are you so afraid of evaluating his rule based on objective facts and figures?

The problem with Kacaan apologists like Voltage is that they will evade any attempt to give an honest assessment of Barre's rule based on data and almost always opt for emotional platitudes about how Somalia (it was the Somali Republic), was "great" because of a sugar or banana plant donated by a foreign entity.

I extend the same challenge to you. Lets discuss any measure of development you want.

What was the Somali Republic's GDP under Barre? Compare that to subsaharan Africa. I can answer that for you, it was $1.3 Billion, 2.7X smaller than Madagascar's GDP for the same period ($3.5B), and more than 2X smaller than Senegal's ($2.8B).

What was the GDP per capita? Does $260 seem like a great figure to you? Would you compare it to Malawi's at $298 or Senegal at $451?

Was the country ever self-sufficient and not completely reliant on aid and actively begging both sides of the cold war for handouts?

How about corruption? How about qabyaalad? Who was the first president to weaponise qabiil and use it to pit neighbouring clans against each other?

Numbers paint a very bleak picture for Afweyne's rule. The fact that your immediate family benefited from Barre's nepotism and did not suffer like the majority of Somalis outside Mogadishu does not change the reality that the country was a shithole by any metric you want to use.

The fact that Barre squandered such an incredible opportunity, with the whole world willing to help, and a cohesive, nationalistic population ready to serve their country, just goes to show how incompetent he was. His economic track-record lags behind other African nations of the time, that is to say, he was absolutely terrible. Its disingenuous of you to try to claim he somehow came at a very difficult time, which is a roundabout way of explaining away how he failed to develop the country. Lets not talk about a few roads or factories donated by foreigners, they mean shit when the vast majority of people are battling poverty and real hardship. By this bizarre standard, the late Kim Jong-il was also a great leader. Instead, discuss the economy and actual living conditions of people and you will see how bad Barre was.

You do not dare discuss real figures because you know your argument completely collapses.

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You went in. Well done just plain facts.

Wallahi you have become embarrassing it is sad. So the achievements in those days is something to look down on because of your dislike for Farmaajo?

Siad Barre could have taken Somalis to the moon and Bendover would criticize that. It's pointless trying to have a conversation with a broken record which is why I would think something more appropriate is telling him to concentrate on his region now and about how to make it better than it was under Barre who left the scene 30 years ago.

My question to you Abkoow (and it is an honest question) is that Somalia did not gain independence in 1972 and nor did the cold war start then, so why weren't any of these things accomplished in the 1960's? Why couldn't they develop any semblance of an economy or build a single road or a single factory or even agree on something simple as choosing a script for the language in the 10 years of "democracy" before Barre?

I have my theories why, but I want to know why you think Somalia couldn't accomplish in 10 years what Barre accomplished in 2.

Hint; Ben tried to put the blame on Barre, but Barre isn't the blame. He wasn't our first or last government. We have 10 years to look at before him and almost 30 after him.Barre wasn't to blame that the Somali people are a nomadic, pastoralist society without any historical tradition for statecraft, were unlettered, or that Somalia was/is such an impoverished country in economic resources. When you answer those questions you will appreciate Barre for what he achieved. Barre achieved what he did IN SPITE OF the unimpressive nature of our people.

The fact that your immediate family benefited from Barre's nepotism and did not suffer like the majority of Somalis outside Mogadishu does not change the reality that the country was a shithole by any metric you want to use.

Am same juffo hoose as Barre don't come up with that family benefit sheeko. I would be a millionaire off of booli qaran or some sh!t did MSB AUN build stuff in Balanbale for Rer Koshin or Gedo did he pave roads it was Shabelle Valley that got more investment

Don't ever try to lecture me about my family's hanti or any Marehan you cuqdad ridden liar.

[Ben Dover]

Wallahi you have become embarrassing it is sad. So the achievements in those days is something to look down on because of your dislike for Farmaajo?

Siad Barre could have taken Somalis to the moon and Bendover would criticize that. It's pointless trying to have a conversation with a broken record which is why I would think something more appropriate is telling him to concentrate on his region now and about how to make it better than it was under Barre who left the scene 30 years ago.

My question to you Abkoow (and it is an honest question) is that Somalia did not gain independence in 1972 and nor did the cold war start then, so why weren't any of these things accomplished in the 1960's? Why couldn't they develop any semblance of an economy or build a single road or a single factory or even agree on something simple as choosing a script for the language in the 10 years of "democracy" before Barre?

I have my theories why, but I want to know why you think Somalia couldn't accomplish in 10 years what Barre accomplished in 2.

Hint; Ben tried to put the blame on Barre, but Barre isn't the blame. He wasn't our first or last government. We have 10 years to look at before him and almost 30 after him.Barre wasn't to blame that the Somali people are a nomadic, pastoralist society without any historical tradition for statecraft, were unlettered, or that Somalia was/is such an impoverished country in economic resources. When you answer those questions you will appreciate Barre for what he achieved. Barre achieved what he did IN SPITE OF the unimpressive nature of our people.

The fact that your immediate family benefited from Barre's nepotism and did not suffer like the majority of Somalis outside Mogadishu does not change the reality that the country was a shithole by any metric you want to use.

Am same juffo hoose as Barre don't come up with that family benefit sheeko. I would be a millionaire off of booli qaran or some sh!t did MSB AUN build stuff in Balanbale for Rer Koshin or Gedo did he pave roads it was Shabelle Valley that got more investment

Don't ever try to lecture me about my family's hanti or any Marehan you cuqdad ridden liar.

Are you serious?



Marehan were on the receiving end of favours in the name of clan and benefited from nepotism to levels never before seen by Somalis. Barre simply did not build shit in his hometown not out of fairness or lack of corruption, he believed that he and his clan would never go back there and as such gave his clan access to state assets in a display of corruption unimaginable today. From plots of land, to houses to bank credit, to undeserved promotions, it was an all you can eat buffet for your marehan. Your people abused the state, all Somalis know this. There is an entire generation of marehan (probably more now) raised on pure xaaran money.

Dont get me started on this, I guarantee you will regret it.

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Ben Dover

How much Isaaq did my grandparents steal?

How much Hawiye wealth did my grandparents steal?

Anagu being Geeljires in Bardera and Garbo (more newer arrivals though) districts and Mudug waxaad iga sheekeyneysaa booli qaran.


I wanna see how many cuqdad ridden essays you can write.

[Ben Dover]

Ben Dover

How much Isaaq did my grandparents steal?

How much Hawiye wealth did my grandparents steal?

Anagu being Geeljires in Bardera and Garbo (more newer arrivals though) districts and Mudug waxaad iga sheekeyneysaa booli qaran.


I wanna see how many cuqdad ridden essays you can write.

I do not doubt your family benefitted from Boli Qaran one way or another. However, this is not about you personally. Your clan, marehan, conducted the most extensive government-sanctioned assault on state coffers in Somali history. The unseen-before levels of corruption and nepotism your people introduced are still talked about to this day with disbelief by Somalis and foreigners when people mention the phrase Booli Qaran.

No essays needed for that.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

When Somalis were hungry for success & accomplished some things.

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Ben Dover

How much Isaaq did my grandparents steal?

How much Hawiye wealth did my grandparents steal?

Anagu being Geeljires in Bardera and Garbo (more newer arrivals though) districts and Mudug waxaad iga sheekeyneysaa booli qaran.


I wanna see how many cuqdad ridden essays you can write.

I do not doubt your family benefitted from Boli Qaran one way or another. However, this is not about you personally. Your clan, marehan, conducted the most extensive government-sanctioned assault on state coffers in Somali history. The unseen-before levels of corruption and nepotism your people introduced are still talked about to this day with disbelief by Somalis and foreigners when people mention the phrase Booli Qaran.

No essays needed for that.

LOOOOOL AM DEAD

Are you telling me that Marehan managed to donkey f#ck other clans for 21 years? You're claiming that Marehan as a clan we assaulted the whole somali nation and donkey f#cked them?

You're still paising us you nacas. I'm suprised Ben Dover calling us Marehan badasses. Sade Syndrome is a serious disease sxb it looks like disorientation is a symptom

[Ben Dover]

Ben Dover

How much Isaaq did my grandparents steal?

How much Hawiye wealth did my grandparents steal?

Anagu being Geeljires in Bardera and Garbo (more newer arrivals though) districts and Mudug waxaad iga sheekeyneysaa booli qaran.


I wanna see how many cuqdad ridden essays you can write.

I do not doubt your family benefitted from Boli Qaran one way or another. However, this is not about you personally. Your clan, marehan, conducted the most extensive government-sanctioned assault on state coffers in Somali history. The unseen-before levels of corruption and nepotism your people introduced are still talked about to this day with disbelief by Somalis and foreigners when people mention the phrase Booli Qaran.

No essays needed for that.

LOOOOOL AM DEAD

Are you telling me that Marehan managed to donkey f#ck other clans for 21 years? You're claiming that Marehan as a clan we assaulted the whole somali nation and donkey f#cked them?

You're still paising us you nacas. I'm suprised Ben Dover calling us Marehan badasses. Sade Syndrome is a serious disease sxb it looks like disorientation is a symptom

I am not praising you when I say that your clan was involved in thievery. This is not up for debate, it is well documented.

The fact that you think the misappropriation of state assets on such a scale and raising your families on xaaraan is akin to praising speaks volumes of how you were brought up. Your people have normalised corruption and xaaran.

No wonder now that you have no access to free loot that your region and your clan are synonymous with underdevelopment and abject poverty, even by already low Somali standards.

Anyways, the same challenge presented to your cousins above is extended to you, all the published economic metrics paint a very bleak picture of the Somali Republic, a poor beggar state completely reliant on handouts and lagging behind even subsaharan African nations in terms of development. Dont bring emotional clannist rhetoric, discuss the numbers presented above.

[original dervish]

When iidoors pull this shit just ask them what their British masters left them with after almost a century of ownership?
Apart from a few broken down trucks/cars, the odd building, a few churches and some shit stained khaki shorts.....nothing.

The Somali Republic gave them back their humanity after the Europeans displayed them in zoos.