The Oromo history corner.

[dalalos101]

Somalis need to know the difference between Galla and Borana, the Borana were rarely taken as slaves historically it was the people referenced as Galla taken into slavery by Abyssinian, Nubian and Adali kingdoms

Borana are not much different from Somalis, they share similar racial phenotype albeit having foreign admix and we have common Haplogroup, but the most important thing is our common pastoral culture and hard headedness.


I consider Borana to be similar to Rendiile, but although the Rendiile have been isolated in Kenya and pretty much left alone, the Borana faced massive Abyssinian assimilation and eventually became Oromo, and Ethnic group of mix heritage.

[libaaxyare]

Talking about Saruur Habargidir not only they live in Somalia Mudug & Galgaduud but also in Ethiopia and pretty much more relevant this topic then anyone else.

Three subclans of Saruur Habargidir reer xalane, reer jimcaale and reer cali live in babille Ethiopia region and border whit Oromo.

interesting sxb.. Im from gelinsoor btw

Gelinsoor your reer jalaf I am gussin or saleebaan

[HabarGidir1]

Talking about Saruur Habargidir not only they live in Somalia Mudug & Galgaduud but also in Ethiopia and pretty much more relevant this topic then anyone else.

Three subclans of Saruur Habargidir reer xalane, reer jimcaale and reer cali live in babille Ethiopia region and border whit Oromo.

interesting sxb.. Im from gelinsoor btw

Gelinsoor your reer jalaf I am gussin or saleebaan

reer jalaf

[HabarGidir1]

Habargedir are 4 clans sacad siciid which is the most bravest selebaan the biggest thieves cayr are terrorists and saruur are Bantu they look like Kenyans and Ugandans. Very dark and big nose Some habargedr look like oromo but not all. Habargedir is a brave clan.. the most light skin hawiye are xawaadle and wacaysle abgaal 2 some extend.

you are a very rude person. Judging by your comment you seem very close minded and foolish.

[Waachis]

Somalis need to know the difference between Galla and Borana, the Borana were rarely taken as slaves historically it was the people referenced as Galla taken into slavery by Abyssinian, Nubian and Adali kingdoms

Borana are not much different from Somalis, they share similar racial phenotype albeit having foreign admix and we have common Haplogroup, but the most important thing is our common pastoral culture and hard headedness.


I consider Borana to be similar to Rendiile, but although the Rendiile have been isolated in Kenya and pretty much left alone, the Borana faced massive Abyssinian assimilation and eventually became Oromo, and Ethnic group of mix heritage.

Borana are angafa but still a branch of the greater oromo family.
there's borana, maccaa, tuulama, arsi, karrayu, the 7 houses of wallo who conquered the abyssinians and made them cry for years, and many other oromo families.

the ones that somalis enslaved were from smaller oromo groups who were far away from their natural homes/strongholds, in other words, they were over-stretched, or stretched thin.. like the orma/warday, but at the same time, many somali groups used deceit, because they were once clients under the protection of some oromo groups.. because the oromo are big hearted and welcome all, even though we're in need of the land as well, but would still let somali nomads graze their livestock on our grass lands....
do somalis let their neighbors or even other somali clans do that? hmmm.

the rendile are a branch of the somali nation that were separated when the oromo expansion separated some somalis from each other:

''The Yaaku were the earliest group of Eastern Cushites to come to Kenya. The Yaaku also called the Mokokodo began to move south about 1,000 years ago.
After the Yaaku, other Cushitic groups such as the Somali and Oromo came from southern Ethiopia.
When the Somali arrived from the north, the Bantu peoples were trying to expand from the southwest, but the Somali defeated them.

In the 16th century the Oromos pushed the Somalis out of the area. It is thought that the Somali split into three smaller groups at the time.
1) Of the groups moved north and inland. This group perhaps became the Rendille, the Gabbra and the Sakuye peoples.
The Rendille continued to speak the Somali Cushite language, while the other two peoples adopted the Oromo language. Today some clans of the Rendille say that they were originally Somali, and some use Somali brands on their camels.''

https://books.google.com/books?id=j-N5w ... la&f=false

[Waachis]

''Even the Somalis may be most appropriately regarded as a sea-coast variety of the great Oromo race, in which, owing to Arabian influence, a transformation has taken place in customs, tendencies, and even language, similar to that found among the Swahilis or the so called Arabs of the Upper Nile.
This view is in no way contradicted by the deadly enmity existing between Oromos and Somalis, since even the Somali tribes live in a state of constant feud (among themselves).
We do not know how and when they acquired the ponies which in our times have made it possible for hordes of mounted Oromos to cross the equator.
The Arabic word 'Faras' for Horse, is in general use among them all (Oromo fi Somalee). Yet this was unquestionably the most important event of their recent history. The best we can hope is that comparative philology will some day be in a position to enlighten us upon the questions to which no tradition even hints at the answer.
Even now, it indicates, as the fundamental fact in the history of this great Oromo stock, that it has a wide connection with the Hamites of the Nile district and east Africa, that the connection is interrupted only by the Semitic wedge of the Ge'ez peoples, and that Somali is less nearly akin to Afar than to Oromo.
Starting from this we may perhaps understand the Oromos as a group of peoples whose centre formerly lay to the north than at present, possibly even north and perhaps also west of Abyssinia, and whose history, looked at as a whole, shows as its main feature an irresistible extension southwards, which for centuries has gone on in the same manner as with the Wahuma, Masai, and Wakuafi.''

[The History of Mankind, Volume 2
By Friedrich Ratzel, 1897, Pages 494-496.]

[Waachis]

''Of all the Oromo races, the Somalis are those who have been most touched by foreign influences and mingled with foreign elements. Agreeably to their situation they have been thrown into close intercourse with Arabs, have connected themselves very nearly with Islam, and have on the coast devoted themselves to trade and navigation after the Arab model.
Great part of them belong to a pronounced form of coast people, but most Somalis are yet herdsmen, departing little from the Oromo type.
They may have once been further from it than they are now, when they held a more independent position in the interior, especially in the Harar district, now inhabited by Oromos.
At that time a higher civilization flourished in the land; ruined buildings speak of a larger population and more prosperous tillage of the soil, with artificial irrigation.
Driven back to the eastward as the Somalis were by the Oromos, there still remain groups of them who, just like the Masai, undertake organized raids for cattle and ivory in the Oromo and Masai countries.
In Enarea, Cecchi gathered information about southern countries, relating to such a raid on the part of the Somalis as far as Lykipia.
Dialectic-ally the Somalis differ little among themselves.
Among those on the north coast, the most westerly, the Issas may be mentioned, while conspicuous tribal groups in the interior are the Ogadens and in the north, the Hawiyes, who deem themselves the best and oldest Somalis.''

[The History of Mankind, Volume 2
By Friedrich Ratzel, Pages 497-499]

[Waachis]

''The Gidr Beersi (Gadabuursi) and the Esa Somal have several peculiarities which mark their Oromo origin.
The Esa have 3 chiefs, each styled, in the language of the country, Oghass/Ugaz. Of these, Ugaz Farah and Ugaz Robeleh are the most powerful, their residence being in the neighborhood of Hurrur(Harar), from the Emir of which place each annually receives a red flannel nightcap and a few pieces of cloth.
''As treacherous as the Esa'' is a proverb at Zeila, whose inhabitants declare that their savage neighbors will give you a bowl of milk to drink with one hand, and stab you with the other.
From my personal experience of them, I have but too much reason to consider them a cruel and treacherous race, amongs whom murder (the more atrocious, the better) is at a premium, and who can in no way be trusted save at the expense of a heavy bribe.

The Gidr Beersi (Gadabuursi) are a shade more civilized than the Esa, owing probably to their commingling more with the Somali tribes.
Both the Esa and Gidr Beersi, however, scarcely deserve the name of Mohammedans, for hardly one in a hundred can pray, and reading and writing, save in the case of a few learned men, are unknown.
I have been assured by many of the Gidr Beersi that in the mountains forming the southern barrier of their country are many wonderful ruins of stone and chunam, the work of former ages, and abounding in inscriptions which no one can read.
However tempting this description may appear, it must be received ''cum grano,'' for, after a careful search along the coast from Cape Asseyr to Zeila, I have not succeeded in finding any remains of antiquity, save the aqueduct at Berbera, elsewhere mentioned in this memoir, nor is it likely that an illiterate savage would be able to distinguish an inscription from an ornamental border on a stone.''

[The Transactions of the Bombay Geographical Society, Volume 8
By Bombay Geographical Society, Published in 1838, Pages 178-180]

[Waachis]

''The Ajuran are a Somali tribe from the Italian side of the Juba River.
Their head man is Ido Roble. They come from the Hawiyeh section but differ from the pure Somali as they show a considerable mixture of Boran blood.
They are mainly Mohammedans and appear to speak Somali and Boran indiscriminately.
The Ajuran proper are divided into the following sections:--Garen, Wagalla, Gelbereis, Abdi Mijid, and Gashi, but at Wajheir are found two other sections, the Reer Mahamud and Gelebleh who call themselves Ajuran but are really Yaben. The tribe is further being permeated with indigent Yaben strangers who ingratiate themselves with them and become incorporated.

Their possessions are camels, cattle and sheep. They live in small villages of 2 to 10 huts, and number about 6,000 all told.''

[Jubaland and the Northern Frontier District, published in 1917.
Pages 86-87]

[Waachis]

''The Western Macca Oromo believe their original home was to the east of where they live now, on the other side of the Gibe River. When they moved across this their prophet Makko Billi, stood on a green hill and gave their people their laws. He said that every 8 years there would be the ritual known as ''Butta.'' Bartels says that this means the slaughtering of a bull by each member of the generation-class holding power. The eastern Macca say that they came out of the lake called ''Wolabo'' in southern Ethiopia. Bartels explains that the Macca see all life as being born from water. Their supreme being ''Waaqa'', is perceived as descending in low-hanging rain-clouds. Up to the late 19th century until Menelik's genocidal expansion, the western Macca's attachment to their country of origin was reflected in their pilgrimages to an ''Abba Muda'' or father of anointment, one of the Borana's high-priests in the south-east. They would bring myrrh and a bull to him, and he would anoint them with butter. A man could go on this pilgrimage only after killing his butta bull.''

[Black God: The Afroasiatic Roots of the Jewish, Christian and Muslim Religions; pages 122-125]

[Waachis]

''Unless some European Power intervenes, in the course of a few years we may behold Oromo and Arabs exchanging their ''salaams'' on the shores of Lake Tana, and rejoicing over the ruins of Christian Abyssinia. We should then see the sons of the present generation of Abyssinians instead of wielding the spear and sword of their fathers, carrying the long shibouk at the heels of the Muslim merchant of Cairo and Istanbul, while the copper-colored daughters of Makada, instead of bearing sturdy warriors to their lords, would grace the harems of the Turks. This result would not, it is true, be brought about without a sea of blood having first been shed, for Abyssinia, whose children at least brave, would not tamely submit to the conqueror. But, although their resistance might deter for a while their entire subjection, Egypt, with all the advantages which European war-appliances and discipline would giver her, must eventually triumph.''

[Narrative of a Journey Through Abyssinia in 1862-3, By Henry Dufton; PAGES 333-335]

[AwRastaale]

The Nomadic Somali and the Farming Oromo, from the eyes of an European traveler:

''It has been shown already how the Somali leads the life of a nomad, engaging in no agricultural pursuits; never building for himself a fixed abode; contented to exist upon the produce of his flocks, his herds and his camels.
In every respect the Oromo is opposed to this, for he inhabits villages of well-built huts, around which tracts of cultivated country extend, neatly terraced and irrigated, and is heart and soul a tiller of the soil. Of the two the Oromo is certainly preferable. He lacks the fire and impetuosity of the Somali, but he is steadier and less impressionable. In manner he is calmer and in life more simple; in fact, the Oromo character is one that appeals from the first moment to one that comes into contact with it.
In appearance he differs greatly from the natives of the plains. While the Somali's features point to a more Semitic origin, the Oromo tends more towards the Negro, both in face and build, for he is thicker-limbed and altogether more heavily built.
But it must be by no means understood that the Oromo is a mild race, for several explorers, penetrating the inner portions of their country, have found, on the contrary, that they are warlike and ready to resist with arms any encroachment of the white man.''

[The Living Age, Volume 203
Author: Littell, Son and Company, 1894: Pages 220-222]

Slave characteristics, submissive and built to carry loads.

This pagan Galla is desperate to connect himself to Somalis quoting useless Western dairies from clueless men who keep comparing Somalis to the pagans that Somalis enslaved and took their women as trophy wives and their kids as future concubines.

The most desperate Galla. No body cares about Galla pagans they were always enslaved.

[Waachis]

The Nomadic Somali and the Farming Oromo, from the eyes of an European traveler:

''It has been shown already how the Somali leads the life of a nomad, engaging in no agricultural pursuits; never building for himself a fixed abode; contented to exist upon the produce of his flocks, his herds and his camels.
In every respect the Oromo is opposed to this, for he inhabits villages of well-built huts, around which tracts of cultivated country extend, neatly terraced and irrigated, and is heart and soul a tiller of the soil. Of the two the Oromo is certainly preferable. He lacks the fire and impetuosity of the Somali, but he is steadier and less impressionable. In manner he is calmer and in life more simple; in fact, the Oromo character is one that appeals from the first moment to one that comes into contact with it.
In appearance he differs greatly from the natives of the plains. While the Somali's features point to a more Semitic origin, the Oromo tends more towards the Negro, both in face and build, for he is thicker-limbed and altogether more heavily built.
But it must be by no means understood that the Oromo is a mild race, for several explorers, penetrating the inner portions of their country, have found, on the contrary, that they are warlike and ready to resist with arms any encroachment of the white man.''

[The Living Age, Volume 203
Author: Littell, Son and Company, 1894: Pages 220-222]

Slave characteristics, submissive and built to carry loads.

This pagan Galla is desperate to connect himself to Somalis quoting useless Western dairies from clueless men who keep comparing Somalis to the pagans that Somalis enslaved and took their women as trophy wives and their kids as future concubines.

The most desperate Galla. No body cares about Galla pagans they were always enslaved.

Agame boy,

Do not cry, man up and hold these tears in.
At least wait until later when you're offline, to cry and vent, preferably to an actual person and not your pets.

Now, whose words should we take more seriously, men who at least lived in those times and spent time among these nations, or some random hostile agame Somali hybrid online?
I think I'll go with the former, not the latter.
Let's say Somalis enslaved us on a national basis, as opposed to it being isolated smaller oromo groups who were far away from their bases, did u do it though? Did you enslave us?
Of course not. You know your life would end the second you tried, so keep doing what you do best: being a keyboard warrior.

[dalalos101]

waachist
I know Rendille are Somali come on bro, I am talking about Borena.

My hypothesis is Borena, Somali, Beja are the same people, Oromo confederacy does not fit in that picture.


Somalis are not coastal people exclusively, infact we are predominantly pastoral, coastal lifestyle is for merchants and it is not a profession that exist in a vacuum. What I do agree with is Proto-Somalis(Beja, Somali, Borena) migrated along the red sea into the horn thousands of years ago, and in waves expanded from the Horn into the south, and West.

The Borena in Kenya and Southern Ethiopia, originated along with us in the North of the Horn, were the ancient Laas geel paintings are, however Oromo are not part of this, this term Oromo itself is dubius, look up your history mate, don't leach off of Proto-Somali history by attaching yourself to a closely related group to Somalis like the Borena or Beja.

Furthermore, no Borena wants anything to do with Abbysinian slaves, they despise you lot, and they despise Arabs, they are practically Somalis.

[zidane88]

We're/ll be remembering Oromo now for building a statue for ruthless man behind this.
http://ogaden24.net/2019/02/18/maxaad-k ... -del-dlay/